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May 24, 2013
 
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I like it, and I like putting on the gloves and sparing with other guys. It is a good competition.
My buddies and I used to box and spar in high school (my one buddy was in the WEC and UFC and I've watched him fight out in Vegas against Uriah Faber). I like it much better than boxing.
I remember boxing (not cage fighting, just boxing, no fighting on the ground) with gloves on with my buddy Nate one time. He is tall and lanky. He is not a strong guy, but he had a longer reach than me and I had to fight and take a beating to get inside on him. I got him really good with one uppercut to him, tho, and he was using the wall to hold himself up and he said, stop, Sublime, I'm seeing stars.
Until that time he was getting the best of me just due to his reach. He's my buddy and I didn't want to hurt him, but I was getting kind of pi$$ed that his reach was getting the best of me (I'm competitive).
If it was a cage fight, he would have been done in 1 minute, cause I would have taken him on the ground where his reach and height would be of no advantage.
That's why I like cage fighting more so than boxing, you can use all your attributes, skills, and different techniques. Boxing favors guys with reach and there are too many artificial rules that a real fight typically doesn't involve.
If you watch the old cage fights, from say the early 90s and 80s, tho, they were absolutely brutal and blood baths, because just about anything was okay. They have enacted some rules, which I think are good for the sport and the athletes.
You're approach to the question makes me rethink my perspective about it. I agree with what you say but it does make me sad when a man would have to fight for money. It is still sad to me anyway. I can understand if you like the sport but I still don't understand how anyone could like getting the pulp beat into them. Waking up the next morning must be HORRIBLE!

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You're approach to the question makes me rethink my perspective about it. I agree with what you say but it does make me sad when a man would have to fight for money. It is still sad to me anyway. I can understand if you like the sport but I still don't understand how anyone could like getting the pulp beat into them. Waking up the next morning must be HORRIBLE!
It is probably not something many woman can identify with because from an evolutionary aspect there are substantially differences between the sexes when it comes to violence and the role it has played in human survival.

I think a lot of these guys get an extreme adrenaline rush out of it and enjoy the competitive aspect of it. It basically is a legally sanctioned street fight, with some rules to prevent the worst aspects of street fighting that risk very serious injury.

Iíve never fought in a cage match, but I have spared with friends and it is something I enjoy. I also know some Jui jitsu

I can only describe what I imagine it is like in relation to a street fight and I imagine parallels can be drawn between the two:

I have been involved in my share of street fights Ö I dunno maybe 8- 10 times (was jumped one time by 3 guys Ö I did not know I was even capable of what I did Ö never would have thought I could do what I did Ö I went Jason Bourne on them Ö it was pure reaction Ö after that I was the default guy all my friends ran to when trouble started).

I also wrestled for many years, and it wasnít the same level adrenaline and the rush you get from an actual fight. Wrestling never took me to that level. When itís an actual fight with blows and the risk of serious injury, the fear losing in front of people, and the fear of not being in control if you lose and not knowing what the other guy may or may not do to you if he gets the better of you Ö itís just a completely different threat level and it invokes your fight or flight response.

The adrenaline rush and the feeling you get is not anything you can describe unless youíve been in that situation. Itís hard to describe in words. Everything slows down and you get tunnel like vision Ö nothing else exists Ö you are on a different plane from ordinary existence Ö you donít feel pain Ö or respond to it Ö you just react (you react so much more quickly than in ordinary life) and your only thought process is to take care of business before the other guy does it to you. Itís a very primal experience.
When you win itís an extreme rush of exhilaration too (I have never lost, but I imagine that is a bad feeling Ö Without a doubt I would have lost fights if I were facing equal competition and professional fighters, tho Ö always someone bigger and badder than you).

I have been injured one time (one guy bit me a crap load of times, partially ripped my gum off my front teeth (he cheap shotted me and blind sided punched me when I was trying to calm the situation), but I didnít feel horrible about it. It's hard to feel bad when everyone is like, dude you smoked that guy. The only thing I cared about was that I won. You also feel pretty horrible the couple of days after high school football practice, too. Your whole body aches Ö I was always much more sore after that than after any fight Iíve been in.

So, I can TOTALLY see how a guy would REALLY enjoy that feeling especially if he is good at it and you throw in a crowd that is cheering for you and if you have a competitive nature. Itís like being a gladiator.

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I think the situations where these guys are forced into it are few and far between.

My buddy who is a pro (heís getting long in the tooth, tho and is past his prime), thatís what he always enjoyed from the time I first knew him. He read books about martial arts, started training in it in high school, went pro afterwards, and made somewhat of a name for himself. He owns his own studio, trains other guys, teaches at seminars, and lives and breathes the sport.

Heís the nicest guy you could ever meet, too. I donít say that often about men, too, but he just was always upper easy going.

It may be common that guys end up staying in the game longer than they should as they age, because that is all they know how to do and they need the money, but I think that is true in a lot of sports. I also think it is probably just as common that they do it cause they love being in the ring and enjoy the competition and the excitement.

There are long term health consequences too, I imagine, but I think folks understand that is a risk. I also think the risks are lower than in boxing, because there are so many more ways to finish a guy compared to two guys just standing on their feet and bashing each otherís brains until one is KOíd or how every many rounds are finished. There are fewer scheduled rounds in MMA too.

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Now that you put it like that, you'll be seeing Geno & Fairyman on Monday Night Fights very soon. Wonder if thee''ll be less fighting and more humping????
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It is probably not something many woman can identify with because from an evolutionary aspect there are substantially differences between the sexes when it comes to violence and the role it has played in human survival.
I think a lot of these guys get an extreme adrenaline rush out of it and enjoy the competitive aspect of it. It basically is a legally sanctioned street fight, with some rules to prevent the worst aspects of street fighting that risk very serious injury.
Iíve never fought in a cage match, but I have spared with friends and it is something I enjoy. I also know some Jui jitsu
I can only describe what I imagine it is like in relation to a street fight and I imagine parallels can be drawn between the two:
I have been involved in my share of street fights Ö I dunno maybe 8- 10 times (was jumped one time by 3 guys Ö I did not know I was even capable of what I did Ö never would have thought I could do what I did Ö I went Jason Bourne on them Ö it was pure reaction Ö after that I was the default guy all my friends ran to when trouble started).
I also wrestled for many years, and it wasnít the same level adrenaline and the rush you get from an actual fight. Wrestling never took me to that level. When itís an actual fight with blows and the risk of serious injury, the fear losing in front of people, and the fear of not being in control if you lose and not knowing what the other guy may or may not do to you if he gets the better of you Ö itís just a completely different threat level and it invokes your fight or flight response.
The adrenaline rush and the feeling you get is not anything you can describe unless youíve been in that situation. Itís hard to describe in words. Everything slows down and you get tunnel like vision Ö nothing else exists Ö you are on a different plane from ordinary existence Ö you donít feel pain Ö or respond to it Ö you just react (you react so much more quickly than in ordinary life) and your only thought process is to take care of business before the other guy does it to you. Itís a very primal experience.
When you win itís an extreme rush of exhilaration too (I have never lost, but I imagine that is a bad feeling Ö Without a doubt I would have lost fights if I were facing equal competition and professional fighters, tho Ö always someone bigger and badder than you).
I have been injured one time (one guy bit me a crap load of times, partially ripped my gum off my front teeth (he cheap shotted me and blind sided punched me when I was trying to calm the situation), but I didnít feel horrible about it. It's hard to feel bad when everyone is like, dude you smoked that guy. The only thing I cared about was that I won. You also feel pretty horrible the couple of days after high school football practice, too. Your whole body aches Ö I was always much more sore after that than after any fight Iíve been in.
So, I can TOTALLY see how a guy would REALLY enjoy that feeling especially if he is good at it and you throw in a crowd that is cheering for you and if you have a competitive nature. Itís like being a gladiator.
It almost sounds like you're trying to not say that these men are addicted to the rush, adrenaline junkies? If that is the case then it is a completely different mind set regardless of gender, no?
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May 29, 2013
 
I don't care either way. I'd love to see two hot a_s guys cage fighting though :). Sweating or oiled up, ripped, and with their "situation" dingling in their shorts.
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May 29, 2013
 
I like "Bully Beatdown" Now, that's entertaining.

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It almost sounds like you're trying to not say that these men are addicted to the rush, adrenaline junkies? If that is the case then it is a completely different mind set regardless of gender, no?
The things I focus on are one element that is probably not apparent to many folks, including most women. There is a level of adrenaline that hand to hand fighting gives, at least for me, that no sport ever gave me. I would say it is a definite rush, but it is not all rush ... what underlies that rush is a fairly stressful situation and unless you are a psychopath, you are stressed. It is precisely that stress that transforms you and puts you in such a state of being, where you are on a higher level than you ordinary exist on. It is a somewhat surreal experience that is hard to explain, but you cannot separate the rush from the underlying cause of it, which is stress.

The point being is that I think it's more natural for women to focus on the underlying stress and brutality. However, if youíve ever been in that state of mind and you naturally (it's either natural or it's not) respond by rising to the occasion, it gives you a certain confidence that you will rise to the occasion and the experience doesnít seem that bad as it might seem to some. That is one aspect and I think that is more gender specific and maybe not even gender specific as I think many men canít identify with it. I really think you are either made that way or you are not made that way, and I donít think even very many men are made that way. <<< That has been my experience, at least.

While, I think that's one aspect that folks donít appreciate, I think the primarily motivator is the competitive aspect of testing yourself against another in physical close combat. There is no team, it's just you verses another, mano-a-mano. These guys spend their lives learning the art of hand to hand fighting (martial arts) and they want to see how they measure up. Itís basically two men who agree to test themselves. I see nothing wrong with that. It's not that different than a lot of sports in that regard. Can it be more brutal than a lot of sports; sure, but itís not EVEN always a hate motivated thing? Sure certain fighters donít like each other, but in many if not most instances there is a healthy respect between the two opponents.

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May 29, 2013
 
I do not like

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May 29, 2013
 
BARBARIC... to say the least!!
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The things I focus on are one element that is probably not apparent to many folks, including most women. There is a level of adrenaline that hand to hand fighting gives, at least for me, that no sport ever gave me. I would say it is a definite rush, but it is not all rush ... what underlies that rush is a fairly stressful situation and unless you are a psychopath, you are stressed. It is precisely that stress that transforms you and puts you in such a state of being, where you are on a higher level than you ordinary exist on. It is a somewhat surreal experience that is hard to explain, but you cannot separate the rush from the underlying cause of it, which is stress.
The point being is that I think it's more natural for women to focus on the underlying stress and brutality. However, if youíve ever been in that state of mind and you naturally (it's either natural or it's not) respond by rising to the occasion, it gives you a certain confidence that you will rise to the occasion and the experience doesnít seem that bad as it might seem to some. That is one aspect and I think that is more gender specific and maybe not even gender specific as I think many men canít identify with it. I really think you are either made that way or you are not made that way, and I donít think even very many men are made that way. <<< That has been my experience, at least.
While, I think that's one aspect that folks donít appreciate, I think the primarily motivator is the competitive aspect of testing yourself against another in physical close combat. There is no team, it's just you verses another, mano-a-mano. These guys spend their lives learning the art of hand to hand fighting (martial arts) and they want to see how they measure up. Itís basically two men who agree to test themselves. I see nothing wrong with that. It's not that different than a lot of sports in that regard. Can it be more brutal than a lot of sports; sure, but itís not EVEN always a hate motivated thing? Sure certain fighters donít like each other, but in many if not most instances there is a healthy respect between the two opponents.
I almost understand what you are saying but not quite since I've never been near cage fighting and I've only seen "some" minutes on TV and not by choice. I can understand being "unleashed," making reference to the reptilian brain and reaction. This was very hard for me to accomplish. Is this what you are talking about? Maybe that I am a woman made that a problem but I knew of another female that had nooooooo problem gauging for the throat or eyes during a spar and delivering a "finishing" attack. But I don't see the point of injuring an individual once they are down. These aspects of cage fighting feel very close to being more of an animal and not a human being.
There is a point in a fight were you find YOU. I guess it's alright when the men involved are all the same "type" of men, or women, they have a mutual understanding of what you are talking about and bare no resentments about what transgresses in the ring or cage. But I would find that difficult to understand. I was only sparring one guy that they paired me with over and over and relentlessly over again. He'd found my weakness and pairing us was suppose to make me "learn." I detested his bloody guts because his fist was somehow always right there on my right cheek.

You don't think cage fighting breeds a type of mentality and misconception about fighting that lures violent people. You know, feeding the psycho oddities??

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I almost understand what you are saying but not quite since I've never been near cage fighting and I've only seen "some" minutes on TV and not by choice. I can understand being "unleashed," making reference to the reptilian brain and reaction. This was very hard for me to accomplish. Is this what you are talking about? Maybe that I am a woman made that a problem but I knew of another female that had nooooooo problem gauging for the throat or eyes during a spar and delivering a "finishing" attack. But I don't see the point of injuring an individual once they are down. These aspects of cage fighting feel very close to being more of an animal and not a human being.
Like so many things in life, if taken too far itís not good.

Unlike the early days of MMA (which were brutal blood baths) nowadays, there are some good rules in MMA to protect fighters. Itís not ďno holds barred.Ē You canít gouge eyes out or gouge someoneís throat. You can't bring elbows down on someone, either (you can throw them forward, however). They also stop the fight as soon as one person is not capable of defending themselves. Iíve seen fights stopped where the guy wasnít even knocked out, but was just in a certain position where he just couldnít defend himself from blows and the fight was called by the ref. So, they try to protect the fighters and there are rules for this.

Even without referees to impose rules, it is not true that people donít have their own moral code that they abide by, even in situations outside of a ring or cage. In a street fight I would say gouging eyes or a throat is not honorable or proper conduct. I have never done that or anything remotely like it. I would rather lose before I lowered myself to that level.

Also, except in one instance I have always stopped ON MY OWN when it was clear that the guy was finished. If I explained the facts of that one situation to you, I think youíd understand why I wanted to punish this guy a bit more than was necessary.

The point being, you are not necessarily an animal with no code of conduct, even when in that state of mind. Even in that example, where I did not stop right away, itís not like there was no conscious thought process involved. I made the conscious decision that in this particular instance I was going to punish him, because he behaved so dishonorably.

Despite you in many ways being on auto-pilot in terms of how you react, there is still somehow a rational thought process involved, in other words, at least for me and I presume many folks, regardless of being in the ring or not.

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There is a point in a fight were you find YOU.
I think you do find yourself. I also think it builds confidence (not to be confused with arrogance). I think it is very self-assuring to know that no matter where you are, whether it be the seediest joint on the planet or the Ritz that you can handle yourself if you have to. It puts you at ease and you can just be yourself. I think lack of confidence is probably one of the worst things someone can have. Many awful things and insecurities come with that.

So, instead of making one a more violent person, on the contrary, it makes you more peaceful and secure. Iíve always felt the guys who can handle themselves arenít the ones who generally start stuff (unless there is some psychological problem, but thatís the psychological problem, not the fact that they are skilled in hand to hand). The folks who start stuff are usually lacking in some regard and thatís why they act that way. Itís the same thing with bullies.

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<quoted text>I guess it's alright when the men involved are all the same "type" of men, or women, they have a mutual understanding of what you are talking about and bare no resentments about what transgresses in the ring or cage. But I would find that difficult to understand. I was only sparring one guy that they paired me with over and over and relentlessly over again. He'd found my weakness and pairing us was suppose to make me "learn." I detested his bloody guts because his fist was somehow always right there on my right cheek.
What kind of guy would hit a girl? I would not even spar with one even if she wanted to. Itís not disrespectful or that I see women as unequal, either Ö on the contrary.
At the same time if YOU are going to engage in that conduct, i.e. sparring, you have to understand that your weaknesses will be exploited (thatís part of why MMA is so cool Ö there are different types of martial arts, each with their strengths and weaknesses Ö that get paired against each other).
Also part of it is not just winning, but personal growth and improvement. You can compete against others, but you can also compete against yourself, push yourself, and improve. I enjoy competing against myself, testing myself, and improving. For example, if I were in the situation you describe, rather than focusing on what that guy was doing to me, I would focus on me and on improving that weakness.

You also cannot be sure why he was doing that. One time I was wrestling in practice and we were working on shooting and take downs. This one guy kept shooting on me and I was sprawling and crossfacing him hard, I would put my forearm right under his nose.

He kept doing it and I kept not letting him take me down and his nose eventually started to bleed. I remember him getting so mad at me for actually doing the drill properly. The thing is, I wasnít just doing it for me Ö I was doing it for him too. At that level of competition, I knew there would certainly come a time when he was going up against someone good, when it really mattered, and if I was doing that to him and he couldnít stop it by repositioning his face, someone else was going to do so, when it really mattered.

So, I think in life in general and martial arts too, you have to look at adversity as an opportunity for growth.

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<quoted text>You don't think cage fighting breeds a type of mentality and misconception about fighting that lures violent people. You know, feeding the psycho oddities??
No, I donít. I think some psycho oddities may be drawn to it, but I also think they would be psycho oddities, regardless. I donít think it turns you into one.

I think there are many positives to martial arts. I think it is one of the best things you can do for yourself or for a child.
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Despite you in many ways being on auto-pilot in terms of how you react, there is still somehow a rational thought process involved, in other words, at least for me and I presume many folks, regardless of being in the ring or not.
I'm so sorry but I didn't understand this last phrasing. Could you expand on this because when you practice that repetition because natural to you the L position of the body and the fist extend and what to do with it are numerous options available to you once you've done them over and over which one you use sometimes isn't even choice, at least for me it isn't it just feels like the most natural thing to do according to direction and movement. There are times or have been times where I don't know what exactly happened I just know what was told to me because it happened to quickly, boom, he was on his back. All I remember is the first touch of his hand and then I see him on the floor, or in another instance someone taking a knife and then I hear the loud thump of a body hitting the floor and my knee on the back of his neck is what I see. Kids screaming and he's screaming, "Mate Mate." But again, was not in training and those were out of the ordinary circumstances.
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I think you do find yourself. I also think it builds confidence (not to be confused with arrogance). I think it is very self-assuring to know that no matter where you are, whether it be the seediest joint on the planet or the Ritz that you can handle yourself if you have to. It puts you at ease and you can just be yourself. I think lack of confidence is probably one of the worst things someone can have. Many awful things and insecurities come with that.
So, instead of making one a more violent person, on the contrary, it makes you more peaceful and secure. Iíve always felt the guys who can handle themselves arenít the ones who generally start stuff (unless there is some psychological problem, but thatís the psychological problem, not the fact that they are skilled in hand to hand). The folks who start stuff are usually lacking in some regard and thatís why they act that way. Itís the same thing with bullies.
More than just confidence and security but focus a clear mind and a steady center. Do you agree?
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What kind of guy would hit a girl? I would not even spar with one even if she wanted to.

Also part of it is not just winning, but personal growth and improvement.

So, I think in life in general and martial arts too, you have to look at adversity as an opportunity for growth.
I agree. The strikes to the face I think were to get me to not think just "go." Didn't work other than to get me ticked off. Someone then had a great idea, let's cover her eyes and have them spar. Yeah, well, they got what they were looking for THEN. His head gear right off and he landed some feet behind me. Yes, he got hurt and I felt bad so I made sure that didn't happen again by finding his weakness, my eyes.
I do have to hand it to him, he was really good and he did what Sensei told him. "Girls aren't always going to be fighting girls. Unfortunately you don't pick your opponents in life. It is random, that is life."

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