Who Won the First Debate?

Created by Dr_Dirty on Oct 3, 2012

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Gloop

Since: Jun 09

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#1380 Oct 13, 2012
Captn Morgan wrote:
<quoted text>
Football game..good analogy. Last time round we elected the smiley faced punter. Hopefully, this time we will elect the seasoned coach.
You people are trying to elect a seasoned pillager of business and raper of working people's pensions. Kid yourselves but, don't kid us. Less than a month to go and he doesn't even have a tax- not one that he or his underling can detail. INCREDIBLE!
Philippine Slim

Philippines

#1381 Oct 13, 2012
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
You know nothing about Communism.
You wouldn't know one if he punched you
in the mouth..lol
Young man/child/girl?
I lived in three formerly Communist countries of central Europe from 2002 till 2009. Romania, Hungary, and mostly in Slovakia.
I also visited Bulgaria, Poland, and Czech Republic
I moved to the Philippines from Slovakia in Jan. 2009, flying out of Vienna and landing in Cebu city.

As a ham radio operator from 1958, I communicated with EVERY Soviet dominated country, as well as a few hundred Soviet Oblast
I think that would tell me quite a bit about the Communist

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#1382 Oct 13, 2012
I was thinking the troll uses a proxy server!

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#1383 Oct 13, 2012
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>You people are trying to elect a seasoned pillager of business and raper of working people's pensions. Kid yourselves but, don't kid us. Less than a month to go and he doesn't even have a tax- not one that he or his underling can detail. INCREDIBLE!
Speaking of pensions.
My dad is a retired coal miner. He retired
from Peabody Coal Co early due to an injury.

A brief paragraph needs to go here b/c if you're
not from a coal area you won't completely understand.
The coal mines are held by huge and vastly
Republican Companies. While the UMWA held strong
there was a good safety record, good pay, good
benefits. And the workers that do this dangerous
job....a job that most ppl just can't do. Unless
you have no problem w/crawling in a hole that is
sometimes just high enough for you to move in,
("low coal").and working 8-12 hrs w/o coming out.

W/o a strong union mine explosions are becoming more
of a common event that a freak occurrence.
Coal being a "boom or bust" industry we are used to
periods of slow coal. But this slow shut down is
something rarely seen. The price of coal is down,
it's not in "fashion" w/the green movement, AU flooding
the market w/cheap coal...lots of different factors.
But I believe that some of the actions of the mines
is due in part to politics.

These companies want Romney in. Hell he's promised
to get coal moving again.
So how do you get ppl to vote the way you want them
to? You hit them at home. Just recently 4 mines were
closed completely. 20 more laid off at a local mines
that has been laying off chunks of it's workers.

I know I'm rambling just bear w/me a minute longer. lol
WV and all surrounding states will vote Romney.
It's been made clear that it's in their best interests
to do so....but is it really? When has a Republican
ever cared about the life of the poor?
Kennedy maybe...? Who knows ,I am just looking at
their actions w/in office and who benefits from that
time.

Meanwhile back to pensions...Peabody Coal has since
been bought by Patriot Coal (and another company in
there somewhere). They have filed for bankruptcy and
are trying to get out of paying the miners their pensions
and medical benefits.
And of course where is the court case being heard?
Up in NY.
Nothing against you NY but we live/work here.
These companies so dirty. So twisted. No doubt in
my mind about Massey Energy paying off judges to
screw it's workers.

And this is how they do it. They file for bankruptcy,
get out of their debts and the Big boys keep that,
stock holders are more than likely getting screwed.
Already a class action law suit against Patriot for just
that. Selling stocks that they knew were junk.

Then they will come back under another name....

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#1384 Oct 13, 2012
Philippine Slim wrote:
<quoted text>
Young man/child/girl?
I lived in three formerly Communist countries of central Europe from 2002 till 2009. Romania, Hungary, and mostly in Slovakia.
I also visited Bulgaria, Poland, and Czech Republic
I moved to the Philippines from Slovakia in Jan. 2009, flying out of Vienna and landing in Cebu city.
As a ham radio operator from 1958, I communicated with EVERY Soviet dominated country, as well as a few hundred Soviet Oblast
I think that would tell me quite a bit about the Communist
Ah...I see.
You've been everywhere, done everything, and
know all.
Yep, I've met your kind many times.
And since you asked .....it's woman.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#1385 Oct 13, 2012
Philippine Slim wrote:
<quoted text>
Young man/child/girl?
I lived in three formerly Communist countries of central Europe from 2002 till 2009. Romania, Hungary, and mostly in Slovakia.
I also visited Bulgaria, Poland, and Czech Republic
I moved to the Philippines from Slovakia in Jan. 2009, flying out of Vienna and landing in Cebu city.
As a ham radio operator from 1958, I communicated with EVERY Soviet dominated country, as well as a few hundred Soviet Oblast
I think that would tell me quite a bit about the Communist
My dad was in Vietnam/ Laos and he remembers
things being different:)
Philippine Slim

Philippines

#1386 Oct 13, 2012
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah...I see.
You've been everywhere, done everything, and
know all.
Yep, I've met your kind many times.
And since you asked .....it's woman.
No, young woman, I have many things yet to do and many places to see. That is why I set aside the last quarter of my life with international traveling
I am, as everyone on Earth, far from knowing everything, but I do know the points that you tried to challenge me on.
If you would like to know something about the former Communist parts of Europe, feel free to ask.
While I am not a scholar of Marxist ideology, I have, no doubt, had far more experience with it then you.
Philippine Slim

Philippines

#1387 Oct 13, 2012
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
My dad was in Vietnam/ Laos and he remembers
things being different:)
Er, you post is a non-sequitur.
Things being different? where? how?
What does it have to do with central Europe?
My only experience in that area was in Thailand.
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Charlevoix, MI

#1388 Oct 13, 2012
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of pensions.
My dad is a retired coal miner. He retired
from Peabody Coal Co early due to an injury.
A brief paragraph needs to go here b/c if you're
not from a coal area you won't completely understand.
The coal mines are held by huge and vastly
Republican Companies. While the UMWA held strong
there was a good safety record, good pay, good
benefits. And the workers that do this dangerous
job....a job that most ppl just can't do.
the thing I don't understand is when an inspector finds a safety violation the problem does not have to be corrected if an appeal is filed as long as a small fine is paid.

the dangers often go uncorrected keeping profits maximized

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#1389 Oct 13, 2012
Well, Arctic, it's all about greed. Miners fought hard- shed blood- to earn fair wages and safe working conditions and the mine owners have never forgotten that. They've been looking to get even for years. Now, more than ever is their chance. That's IF Rmoney gets in. The mine owners, oil companies and those that operate like them have Mitt Rmoney in their corner. And, amazingly, Rmoney has these Captains of Industry here to do the voting to make millionaires even richer.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#1390 Oct 13, 2012
Philippine Slim wrote:
<quoted text>
Er, you post is a non-sequitur.
Things being different? where? how?
What does it have to do with central Europe?
My only experience in that area was in Thailand.
I was commenting on your take on Communists and
Obama being one.
My dad thinks that communism looks different
that president Obama and his policies.

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#1391 Oct 13, 2012
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of pensions.
My dad is a retired coal miner. He retired
from Peabody Coal Co early due to an injury.
A brief paragraph needs to go here b/c if you're
not from a coal area you won't completely understand.
The coal mines are held by huge and vastly
Republican Companies. While the UMWA held strong
there was a good safety record, good pay, good
benefits. And the workers that do this dangerous
job....a job that most ppl just can't do. Unless
you have no problem w/crawling in a hole that is
sometimes just high enough for you to move in,
("low coal").and working 8-12 hrs w/o coming out.
W/o a strong union mine explosions are becoming more
of a common event that a freak occurrence.
Coal being a "boom or bust" industry we are used to
periods of slow coal. But this slow shut down is
something rarely seen. The price of coal is down,
it's not in "fashion" w/the green movement, AU flooding
the market w/cheap coal...lots of different factors.
But I believe that some of the actions of the mines
is due in part to politics.
These companies want Romney in. Hell he's promised
to get coal moving again.
So how do you get ppl to vote the way you want them
to? You hit them at home. Just recently 4 mines were
closed completely. 20 more laid off at a local mines
that has been laying off chunks of it's workers.
I know I'm rambling just bear w/me a minute longer. lol
WV and all surrounding states will vote Romney.
It's been made clear that it's in their best interests
to do so....but is it really? When has a Republican
ever cared about the life of the poor?
Kennedy maybe...? Who knows ,I am just looking at
their actions w/in office and who benefits from that
time.
Meanwhile back to pensions...Peabody Coal has since
been bought by Patriot Coal (and another company in
there somewhere). They have filed for bankruptcy and
are trying to get out of paying the miners their pensions
and medical benefits.
And of course where is the court case being heard?
Up in NY.
Nothing against you NY but we live/work here.
These companies so dirty. So twisted. No doubt in
my mind about Massey Energy paying off judges to
screw it's workers.
And this is how they do it. They file for bankruptcy,
get out of their debts and the Big boys keep that,
stock holders are more than likely getting screwed.
Already a class action law suit against Patriot for just
that. Selling stocks that they knew were junk.
Then they will come back under another name....
did I miss something here , your dad was a out of work vet from Nam who was in need of medical assistance ... and finally got it after years of badgering by your mom ...

“Grrrrr”

Level 8

Since: Jan 12

Barbi & Baron

#1392 Oct 13, 2012
Hello Ferrerman. How do I look? I don't want to show up at the main forum inappropriately dressed.

“Grrrrr”

Level 8

Since: Jan 12

Barbi & Baron

#1393 Oct 13, 2012
Ugh...I just realized how badly the orange and red clash.
Oh, this is about the debate, which I didn't watch. I cannot believe that awful man has a chance of being our next president.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#1394 Oct 13, 2012
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>the thing I don't understand is when an inspector finds a safety violation the problem does not have to be corrected if an appeal is filed as long as a small fine is paid.
the dangers often go uncorrected keeping profits maximized
Oh sweetie you're over thinking it.
MSHA inspectors were well paid to turn the
other way and Safety Bosses (Fire bosses)
were ordered to work regardless of the violations.

After the explosion at the Sego mine which killed
12 miners both of the mine bosses
committed suicide. One walked into his bathroom
and shot himself w/family in the home.

That explosion could have been prevented w/a 20 dollar
sensor on the belt....

That mine (Sego), the Aracoma Alma #1, and the
Upper Big Branch all owed (and still own) the gov.
hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines...a piece.
Philippine Slim

Philippines

#1395 Oct 13, 2012
Ferrerman wrote:
Well, Arctic, it's all about greed. Miners fought hard- shed blood- to earn fair wages and safe working conditions and the mine owners have never forgotten that. They've been looking to get even for years. Now, more than ever is their chance. That's IF Rmoney gets in. The mine owners, oil companies and those that operate like them have Mitt Rmoney in their corner. And, amazingly, Rmoney has these Captains of Industry here to do the voting to make millionaires even richer.
You seem a bit confused.
Who FORCES one to go work in a mine, a hazardous job, no matter how many safety regulations are imposed.
Would it not be better for one to get an education instead of working a hazardous, back breaking job as a laborer?
You are a typical leftist that sits on his high horse to complain
about working conditions, but scream your brains out when prices go up to pay for mythical improvements. I know, it is all Bush's fault.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#1396 Oct 13, 2012
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>
did I miss something here , your dad was a out of work vet from Nam who was in need of medical assistance ... and finally got it after years of badgering by your mom ...
My dad came home from Nam and put 20 yrs in the mines.
Wounded in the leg. Pieces of metal behind his knee
cap. Got a purple heart and everything.

Finally he couldn't work anymore so he only gets half
of his pension. grudgingly agreed to go to the VA and
try for help...got a knee replacement surgery last
yr but (even medicated ) he's nuttier than a fruit.

After his surgery he got his disability.
And that's where we stand so far.

Are you questioning my fathers service or me?
cake....at least in moms opinion. lol

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#1398 Oct 13, 2012
Barbi A wrote:
Hello Ferrerman. How do I look? I don't want to show up at the main forum inappropriately dressed.
Your pic isn't up yet, Barbi. Hopefully tomorrow!
Philippine Slim

Philippines

#1399 Oct 13, 2012
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
I was commenting on your take on Communists and
Obama being one.
My dad thinks that communism looks different
that president Obama and his policies.
Well, being a soldier in a rice paddy, shooting at gooks, is
hardly representative of life under Marxist ideology and domination.
Communism exist with, or without wars.
As for Obama, he is what he has learned.
Every aspect of Obama points to extreme Marxist ideology, going back to both of his possible fathers and his associates, such as his neighbor, Bill Ayers, the Pentagon bomber, as well as his endorsement by the CPUSA, and all other radical leftist.
You are what you eat, and endorsements from every Communist in the world is not something for Americans to be proud of.

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#1400 Oct 13, 2012
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
My dad came home from Nam and put 20 yrs in the mines.
Wounded in the leg. Pieces of metal behind his knee
cap. Got a purple heart and everything.
Finally he couldn't work anymore so he only gets half
of his pension. grudgingly agreed to go to the VA and
try for help...got a knee replacement surgery last
yr but (even medicated ) he's nuttier than a fruit.
After his surgery he got his disability.
And that's where we stand so far.
Are you questioning my fathers service or me?
cake....at least in moms opinion. lol
doesn't seem to match this first story now does it .....

My father was not only unemployed when he came home
from Vietnam he was wounded (physically) and crazy
as bat shit.
The VA, where he had been prior to being shipped
home, was a rat infested hell hole. The local VA
was a pee smelling mess. His experience at one (plus
the horror stories from other vets) kept him from
seeking help at the other one. Plus they didn't offer
much in the way of help as it related to PTSD or
shell shock as it was affectionately known.

As far as using the war or his injuries as a crutch..
...hell it wouldn't even talk about it.
He was forced to seek help almost 10 yrs ago. Mostly
my Mom forced him or maybe he just couldn't live like
that any longer and w/the right help he is a different
person.
But had he received that help at that time he could
have led a happier more productive life.

I keep hearing about how much things have changed but
if for every 1 man that has gotten killed in the middle
east 5 have committed suicide ....that leads me to
believe that things haven't changed as much as it
should have.

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