Who Won the First Debate?

[Sam]

Geno wrote:

<quoted text>Not me.

^^^ Speaking of thing that don't work...^^^

WTF, is there a convention in town or something????

[Geno]

Ferrerman wrote:

Anybody buying this BS^^^^^^^?

Same poster.......for 4 years.

[Traveler]

Ferrerman wrote:

Anybody buying this BS^^^^^^^?

No, no one is buying your fairy dust. Go take a hike, Commie.

[Sam]

Geno wrote:

<quoted text>Same poster.......for 4 years.

LOL, Detective Sheerluck Homo! First I'm BEX, now I'm Pie-Hole??? Tell ya what, genius, report all of Pie's posts and see if I'm still here. Hell, report all of my posts and see if Pie's still here, I don't give a fcuk.

LMAO @ U!

[Geno]

Sam wrote:

<quoted text>LOL, Detective Sheerluck Homo! First I'm BEX, now I'm Pie-Hole??? Tell ya what, genius, report all of Pie's posts and see if I'm still here. Hell, report all of my posts and see if Pie's still here, I don't give a fcuk.
LMAO @ U!

I'm not a cry baby. I don't report or icon any post. You can't say the same.

[arctic]

Sam wrote:

<quoted text>A couple more things that haven't worked in the last 4 years come to mind.
YOU & Owe-Bummer...

He has worked pretty good.
Esp if you compare him to his predecessor.
He had Bin Laden in 2 yrs when Bush couldn't
do it in 8.
He saved the auto industry in Detroit and kept
jobs in the country w/that move.(a structured
bail out that gets paid back vs the bank bail
out that made a handful of wealthy men even
wealthier).
He's trying to help uninsured Americans get
health care.
Got in Libya then got out...and just btw
Kadaffie (sp?) he's gone.

He's doing the best he can with the depressed
mess he inherited.
I didn't even think he'd be able to do That much
with the sorry mess we have become.

[arctic]

Nothing is "fixed" but for the first
time in a long time I think we are on
the right road.

If 9/11 wasn't enough for some ppl to
realize that we have to change our attitudes
about foreign policy.

Romneys ideas about f policy is worrisome
b/c that "bully" mentality is what got us
in dutch w/these ppl to begin with.
The middle east does not belong to us.

[Tiger Lilly]

tallyho wrote:

<quoted text>
now I am..... didn't know it was Columbus Day until I checked the mail , I'm so old fashion I still think it is on the 12th

It's been a Monday holiday for a good while now. You could post at the Note To Self thread as a reminder.

;)

[arctic]

One more thing I was thinking about earlier.

Afghanistan.
How different would the world be right
now if....we would not only have armed them
against Russia (with Russian guns through
Israel or some other secret squirrel sh1t)
But if America would have shown the balls,
and the honor, and said to the world...
We are allies w/Afghanistan.
Period.
Instead what we did was arm them (and train)
them on the sly and then slunk off and left
them to deal w/everything themselves.
I imagine the actions of those in power at
that time looked to BinLaden like a slap
in the face.

Would he have turned so radical and anti-American
if those w/the power would have acted more
honorably?

There could be a lesson to be learned there.

[Sam]

Geno wrote:

<quoted text>I'm not a cry baby.

Could have fooled me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[tallyho]

arctic wrote:

<quoted text>
He has worked pretty good.
Esp if you compare him to his predecessor.
He had Bin Laden in 2 yrs when Bush couldn't
do it in 8.
He saved the auto industry in Detroit and kept
jobs in the country w/that move.(a structured
bail out that gets paid back vs the bank bail
out that made a handful of wealthy men even
wealthier).
He's trying to help uninsured Americans get
health care.
Got in Libya then got out...and just btw
Kadaffie (sp?) he's gone.
He's doing the best he can with the depressed
mess he inherited.
I didn't even think he'd be able to do That much
with the sorry mess we have become.

he didn't get bin laden , Clinton could have had him , but there were other considerations , like countries, collateral damages ...

Pak hide him for years .... hell we couldn't find Josef Mengele and the whole world was looking for him ... so watch where you put your praise please .... the Cia found him by accident , by accident

[tallyho]

arctic wrote:

One more thing I was thinking about earlier.
Afghanistan.
How different would the world be right
now if....we would not only have armed them
against Russia (with Russian guns through
Israel or some other secret squirrel sh1t)
But if America would have shown the balls,
and the honor, and said to the world...
We are allies w/Afghanistan.
Period.
Instead what we did was arm them (and train)
them on the sly and then slunk off and left
them to deal w/everything themselves.
I imagine the actions of those in power at
that time looked to BinLaden like a slap
in the face.
Would he have turned so radical and anti-American
if those w/the power would have acted more
honorably?
There could be a lesson to be learned there.

we aren't fighting the Afghans , but the Telban ... and you wanted a war with Russia , I don't .....covert war not overt

please think some of this things out please

[arctic]

tallyho wrote:

<quoted text>
he didn't get bin laden , Clinton could have had him , but there were other considerations , like countries, collateral damages ...
Pak hide him for years .... hell we couldn't find Josef Mengele and the whole world was looking for him ... so watch where you put your praise please .... the Cia found him by accident , by accident

The CIA had intelligence.
That same CIA had intelligence when Bush was in office.

We know Now that Bush did some real shady things.
Like when the CIA told him that there were no WMDs
(prior to our invasion of Baghdad) he outted her.

Outted our own spy. I don't feel I can say that enough.
B/c that is big.
It was treason no matter how you slice it.
And b/c of that debacle the Iraqi scientists and
their families, who were expecting to be picked up
and brought here, were all executed (and no doubt
tortured)

Having intelligence and Using it effectively is no
doubt a talent that some ppl have.

[Dr_Dirty]

Sarah wrote:

<quoted text>
Your attitude is why I would never become a liberal. Who would want to be identified with such a hateful and intolerant group?

Ferrerman, dear.

And a most of his alter-egos.

[arctic]

tallyho wrote:

<quoted text>
we aren't fighting the Afghans , but the Telban ... and you wanted a war with Russia , I don't .....covert war not overt
please think some of this things out please

Russia would not have went to war w/us.
Hell after we armed them a ragtag group of
rebels defeated Russia.

[arctic]

tallyho wrote:

<quoted text>
we aren't fighting the Afghans , but the Telban ... and you wanted a war with Russia , I don't .....covert war not overt
please think some of this things out please

I do think about these things.
Then I look it up and try to understand
the ppl (like what motivated Charlie Wilson)
and what the social climate was.

Then I throw it out here and get other points
of view ....sometimes when ppl want to discuss
it.

[Traveler]

arctic wrote:

<quoted text>
Russia would not have went to war w/us.
Hell after we armed them a ragtag group of
rebels defeated Russia.

A course in history could be your friend.
You are obviously unaware that all of central Europe was under Communist control.
It was only after Ronald Reagan's famous Berlin speech, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall", did the Soviet Union collapse under its own weight.

[tallyho]

arctic wrote:

<quoted text>
Russia would not have went to war w/us.
Hell after we armed them a ragtag group of
rebels defeated Russia.

you better watch the scare crisis of 1983 backed up by defectors and Russians who were there

[tallyho]

Lt. Col. Stanislav Petrov, the officer in charge of Serpukhov-15, the secret bunker from which the Soviet Union monitored its early-warning satellites, indicated that the new system reported the launch of several missiles from the U.S. continental missile fields. Petrov had been told repeatedly that the United States would launch a massive nuclear strike designed to overwhelm Soviet forces in a single strike.

Why did that false alarm fail to trigger a nuclear war? Perhaps the Russian command did not want to start a war on the basis of data from a new and unique system. On the other hand, if the sun glint had caused the system to report hundreds of missile launches, then the Soviet Union might have mistakenly launched its missiles. Petrov said that he refused to pass the alert to his superiors because "when people start a war, they don't start it with only five missiles. You can do little damage with just five missiles."

[Uh Clem]

October 2, 2012:

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/02/obama-...

Obama Expected to Win First Presidential Debate

Six-in-ten ‘Very Likely’ to Watch

Overview

Heading into Wednesday night’s first presidential debate, voters expect that Barack Obama will do a better job than Mitt Romney. A substantial majority of voters plan to watch the debate: 62% say they are very likely to watch, another 21% say they are somewhat likely.
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