Petition to deport Piers Morgan hits 31,400

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More than 31,400 people have signed a petition calling for British CNN host Piers Morgan to be deported from the U.S. over his gun-control views.

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Tray

Tupelo, MS

#613 Jan 21, 2013
sick wrote:
<quoted text>
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Poor baby still failing? Flip Flop little wingless fly.

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#614 Jan 22, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
It doesn't sound like a handgun to me...
"Lanza stopped shooting between 9:46 a.m. and 9:49 a.m., after firing 50 to 100 rounds. He reloaded frequently during the shooting, sometimes firing only fifteen rounds from a thirty round magazine.
50 to 100 rounds makes me suspicious of the report. Shows they really donít know how many rounds were discharged and they based their numbers on interviews with people at the scene. As you well know that wouldnít be reliable information.

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#615 Jan 22, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
50 to 100 rounds makes me suspicious of the report. Shows they really donít know how many rounds were discharged and they based their numbers on interviews with people at the scene. As you well know that wouldnít be reliable information.
The coronor has stated in his initial report that he noticed that the majority of victims were shot point blank with what he described as a "long gun."

I'm assuming, as everybody else has, that he had more than one 30-round magazine with him.

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#616 Jan 22, 2013
Empty shell casings would tell you exactly and since he didn't leave with anything the empty
clips would also be laying on the floor.

Why are 'we' not getting the full story and the details-it's modern media!
Have you heard whether he was on medication or not of any kind? Will you ever - probably not - drug companies have one of the largest 'lobbies' of any corporations.
Yes it is filed in the complete police report-try getting a copy of it.
:: maybe in a year or so ::

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#617 Jan 22, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
The coronor has stated in his initial report that he noticed that the majority of victims were shot point blank with what he described as a "long gun."
I'm assuming, as everybody else has, that he had more than one 30-round magazine with him.
I do agree with you that the Bushmaster was probably the weapon used to do the most damage. Iím suspicious of the report stating 50-100 rounds. Thatís a large discrepancy.

Thereís too much focus on magazine capacity. You can drop an empty mag and replace it in about a second.

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#618 Jan 22, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Empty shell casings would tell you exactly and since he didn't leave with anything the empty
clips would also be laying on the floor.
Why are 'we' not getting the full story and the details-it's modern media!
Have you heard whether he was on medication or not of any kind? Will you ever - probably not - drug companies have one of the largest 'lobbies' of any corporations.
Yes it is filed in the complete police report-try getting a copy of it.
:: maybe in a year or so ::
I wouldnít be so quick to blame media for lack of details. Often law enforcement doesnít share all the details.

The empty shell casings absolutely would reveal which weapon was used. There has been speculation on his medication. Some sources claim he was on medication and others claim he wasnít.

There is a clear thread in virtually all the recent shootings. They all had mental issues. For that, the government may punish all law abiding citizens.

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#619 Jan 22, 2013
Thereís too much focus on magazine capacity. You can drop an empty mag and replace it in about a second.
Good point
eternal cynic
So why's it so important to limit clips to 10 rounds-it's not-it's just 'dumba$$es' think it is!
cynic wrote:
I wouldnít be so quick to blame media for lack of details. Often law enforcement doesnít share all the details.
Tht's why 'i' included the cop part.

Medication could very possibly be the main cause of most the shootings as 'i' have discovered.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#620 Jan 22, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Thereís too much focus on magazine capacity. You can drop an empty mag and replace it in about a second.
Good point
eternal cynic
So why's it so important to limit clips to 10 rounds-it's not-it's just 'dumba$$es' think it is!
cynic wrote:
I wouldnít be so quick to blame media for lack of details. Often law enforcement doesnít share all the details.
Tht's why 'i' included the cop part.
Medication could very possibly be the main cause of most the shootings as 'i' have discovered.
Then there is the question to the school video. The feds refuse to release any of it that would clarify questions. The left media is not pressing the issue of public information except when it comes to listing gun owners. The cops were more than happy to release the tapes on all other school shootings except 2 counting this one.

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#621 Jan 22, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Then there is the question to the school video. The feds refuse to release any of it that would clarify questions. The left media is not pressing the issue of public information except when it comes to listing gun owners. The cops were more than happy to release the tapes on all other school shootings except 2 counting this one.
Waaaayyy too early for that - it took almost 5 years for the FBI to put their final report together following the Columbine shootings.

"On the fifth anniversary of Columbine, the FBI's lead Columbine investigator and several psychiatrists published their conclusions in a news article. They said Harris was a clinical psychopath and Klebold was depressive. They believed Harris had been the mastermind, having a messianic-level superiority complex, and hoped to demonstrate his superiority to the world."

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#622 Jan 23, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Thereís too much focus on magazine capacity. You can drop an empty mag and replace it in about a second.
Good point
eternal cynic
So why's it so important to limit clips to 10 rounds-it's not-it's just 'dumba$$es' think it is!
cynic wrote:
I wouldnít be so quick to blame media for lack of details. Often law enforcement doesnít share all the details.
Tht's why 'i' included the cop part.
Medication could very possibly be the main cause of most the shootings as 'i' have discovered.
Magazine capacity has little relevance. In fact in more than one of the recent shooting magazine capacity contributed to an earlier end. Aftermarket high capacity magazines have a habit of jamming. That was the case in Phoenix and Aurora.

Lack of medication could also be a problem. The common thread in virtually all of the highly publicized shootings is mental illness. For that, you would limit magazine capacity for law abiding citizens?

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#623 Jan 23, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Then there is the question to the school video. The feds refuse to release any of it that would clarify questions. The left media is not pressing the issue of public information except when it comes to listing gun owners. The cops were more than happy to release the tapes on all other school shootings except 2 counting this one.
I donít expect the school video to ever be released. Why would you want a video released of someone shooting school children? Itíll never be used in a criminal trial as the shooter is dead.

Usually Iím all for releasing all information. But in this case, no. What purpose would be served other than to quell curiosity?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#624 Jan 23, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
I donít expect the school video to ever be released. Why would you want a video released of someone shooting school children? Itíll never be used in a criminal trial as the shooter is dead.
Usually Iím all for releasing all information. But in this case, no. What purpose would be served other than to quell curiosity?
I never said it was in good taste but as news people always say "If it bleeds it reads". I just find it hard to believe CNN and MSNBC is not pressing for the release of the video. Virtually every other school shooting at least some video was released within days. The purpose is to validate to the public the information fed to us. In this case the information has been contrary from different government agencies. It makes you wonder where the truth is. Curiosity is always a good thing when examining government actions.

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#625 Jan 23, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
The common thread in virtually all of the highly publicized shootings is mental illness. For that, you would limit magazine capacity for law abiding citizens?
Not true at all.

When you use the term mental illness, do not include Asperger's Syndrome. Children with this affliction are normally preoccupied with only one or few interests, which he or she may be very knowledgeable about. Many children with Asperger's syndrome are overly interested in parts of a whole or in unusual activities, such as designing houses, drawing highly detailed scenes, or studying astronomy. They may show an unusual interest in certain topics such as snakes, names of stars, or dinosaurs. Adam Lanza pre-planned his attack, "squirrelling" away ammunition and figuring out how to get to his mother's guns.

The Sikh Temple slayings in Oak Creek, Wisconsin was a result of a hate crime. He had a history of skinhead activity. The shooter "thought" he was shooting Muslims - when in fact he killed Sikhs who are not Muslim - kinda' like every Conservative calling Obama a Muslim.

Columbine was not a result of mental illness either.

Nov. 5, 2009: Thirteen soldiers and civilians were killed and more than two dozen wounded when a gunman walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood, Texas, and opened fire. Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.

April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned.

March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself.

Oct. 16, 1991: A deadly shooting rampage took place in Killeen, Texas, as George Hennard opened fire at a Luby's Cafeteria, killing 23 people before taking his own life. 20 others were wounded in the attack.

June 18, 1990: James Edward Pough shoots people at random in a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office in Jacksonville, Fla., killing 10 and wounding four, before killing himself.

Dec. 6, 1989: Marc Lepine, 25, bursts into Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique college, shooting at women he encounters, killing nine and then himself.

Aug. 19, 1987: Michael Ryan, 27, kills 16 people in small market town of Hungerford, England, and then shoots himself dead after being cornered by police.

July 12, 1976: Edward Charles Allaway, a custodian in the library of California State University, Fullerton, fatally shot seven fellow employees and wounded two others.

Aug. 20, 1986: Pat Sherrill, 44, a postal worker who was about to be fired, shoots 14 people at a post office in Edmond, Okla. He then kills himself.

July 18, 1984: James Oliver Huberty, an out-of-work security guard, kills 21 people in a McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidro, Calif. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty.

Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman opened fire from the clock tower at the University of Texas at Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31.

A better statement would be "Most highly publicized shootings have almost always ended in suicide - either by cop or self-inflicted."

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Wesley Chapel, FL

#626 Jan 23, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true at all.
When you use the term mental illness, do not include Asperger's Syndrome. Children with this affliction are normally preoccupied with only one or few interests, which he or she may be very knowledgeable about. Many children with Asperger's syndrome are overly interested in parts of a whole or in unusual activities, such as designing houses, drawing highly detailed scenes, or studying astronomy. They may show an unusual interest in certain topics such as snakes, names of stars, or dinosaurs. Adam Lanza pre-planned his attack, "squirrelling" away ammunition and figuring out how to get to his mother's guns.
The Sikh Temple slayings in Oak Creek, Wisconsin was a result of a hate crime. He had a history of skinhead activity. The shooter "thought" he was shooting Muslims - when in fact he killed Sikhs who are not Muslim - kinda' like every Conservative calling Obama a Muslim.
Columbine was not a result of mental illness either.
Nov. 5, 2009: Thirteen soldiers and civilians were killed and more than two dozen wounded when a gunman walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood, Texas, and opened fire. Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.
April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned.
March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself.
Oct. 16, 1991: A deadly shooting rampage took place in Killeen, Texas, as George Hennard opened fire at a Luby's Cafeteria, killing 23 people before taking his own life. 20 others were wounded in the attack.
June 18, 1990: James Edward Pough shoots people at random in a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office in Jacksonville, Fla., killing 10 and wounding four, before killing himself.
----snip 4k limit reached----Aug. 20, 1986: Pat Sherrill, 44, a postal worker who was about to be fired, shoots 14 people at a post office in Edmond, Okla. He then kills himself.
July 18, 1984: James Oliver Huberty, an out-of-work security guard, kills 21 people in a McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidro, Calif. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty.
Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman opened fire from the clock tower at the University of Texas at Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31.
A better statement would be "Most highly publicized shootings have almost always ended in suicide - either by cop or self-inflicted."
Why not include it? It is a form of mental illness.

My statement should have read recent. But, if you want to go back Iíll deal with one incident. Iím not about to research every one you listed. Iím sure you didnít fully research all of them either. I also didnít say all were the result of mental illness, most. The Sikh temple, Iíll leave it at hate crime. Though, someone with that much rage surely has issues.

Columbine. Donít be so quick to say it wasnít the result of mental illness. Thatís a subject of debate

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/11/2532...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-575597...

Thereís a lot more information out there on these killings and their mental conditions. If youíre interested review the remaining shootings on your list.

Anyone, and I mean anyone that randomly kills large numbers of people without clear motive is very likely to be suffering from some form of mental illness.

I did have to edit out a portion of your quote due to size limitations. That portion is marked.

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#627 Jan 23, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true at all.
When you use the term mental illness, do not include Asperger's Syndrome. Children with this affliction are normally preoccupied with only one or few interests, which he or she may be very knowledgeable about. Many children with Asperger's syndrome are overly interested in parts of a whole or in unusual activities, such as designing houses, drawing highly detailed scenes, or studying astronomy. They may show an unusual interest in certain topics such as snakes, names of stars, or dinosaurs. Adam Lanza pre-planned his attack, "squirrelling" away ammunition and figuring out how to get to his mother's guns.
The Sikh Temple slayings in Oak Creek, Wisconsin was a result of a hate crime. He had a history of skinhead activity. The shooter "thought" he was shooting Muslims - when in fact he killed Sikhs who are not Muslim - kinda' like every Conservative calling Obama a Muslim.
Columbine was not a result of mental illness either.
Nov. 5, 2009: Thirteen soldiers and civilians were killed and more than two dozen wounded when a gunman walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood, Texas, and opened fire. Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.
April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned.
March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself.
Oct. 16, 1991: A deadly shooting rampage took place in Killeen, Texas, as George Hennard opened fire at a Luby's Cafeteria, killing 23 people before taking his own life. 20 others were wounded in the attack.
June 18, 1990: James Edward Pough shoots people at random in a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office in Jacksonville, Fla., killing 10 and wounding four, before killing himself.
Dec. 6, 1989: Marc Lepine, 25, bursts into Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique college, shooting at women he encounters, killing nine and then himself.
------snip due to size limit------
July 18, 1984: James Oliver Huberty, an out-of-work security guard, kills 21 people in a McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidro, Calif. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty.
Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman opened fire from the clock tower at the University of Texas at Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31.
A better statement would be "Most highly publicized shootings have almost always ended in suicide - either by cop or self-inflicted."
Why not include it? It is a form of mental illness.

My statement should have read recent. But, if you want to go back Iíll deal with one incident. Iím not about to research every one you listed. Iím sure you didnít fully research all of them either. I also didnít say all were the result of mental illness, most. The Sikh temple, Iíll leave it at hate crime. Though, someone with that much rage surely has issues.

Columbine. Donít be so quick to say it wasnít the result of mental illness. Thatís a subject of debate

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/11/2532...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-575597...

Thereís a lot more information out there on these killings and their mental conditions. If youíre interested review the remaining shootings on your list.

Anyone, and I mean anyone that randomly kills large numbers of people without clear motive is very likely to be suffering from some form of mental illness.

I did have to remove a portion of your quote due to size limit. That's clearly marked. Sorry if this double posts.

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#628 Jan 23, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I never said it was in good taste but as news people always say "If it bleeds it reads". I just find it hard to believe CNN and MSNBC is not pressing for the release of the video. Virtually every other school shooting at least some video was released within days. The purpose is to validate to the public the information fed to us. In this case the information has been contrary from different government agencies. It makes you wonder where the truth is. Curiosity is always a good thing when examining government actions.
Youíre correct, itís not in good taste. Itís unlikely any mainstream source will release the video. Though it is likely itíll be ďleakedĒ at some point. I for one will have no interest in seeing it.

The execution of school children simply doesnít appeal to me.

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#629 Jan 23, 2013
I replied twice to milwakee69, neither post has appeared yet. If it doubles, sorry about that. Topix is behaving oddly right now.

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#630 Jan 23, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldnít be so quick to blame media for lack of details. Often law enforcement doesnít share all the details.
The empty shell casings absolutely would reveal which weapon was used. There has been speculation on his medication. Some sources claim he was on medication and others claim he wasnít.
There is a clear thread in virtually all the recent shootings. They all had mental issues. For that, the government may punish all law abiding citizens.
100 percent correct.

What is not told by Government agents tells a bigger story then the preplanned bits of information that is released designed to create fear and distortion.

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Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#631 Jan 23, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true at all.
When you use the term mental illness, do not include Asperger's Syndrome. Children with this affliction are normally preoccupied with only one or few interests, which he or she may be very knowledgeable about. Many children with Asperger's syndrome are overly interested in parts of a whole or in unusual activities, such as designing houses, drawing highly detailed scenes, or studying astronomy. They may show an unusual interest in certain topics such as snakes, names of stars, or dinosaurs. Adam Lanza pre-planned his attack, "squirrelling" away ammunition and figuring out how to get to his mother's guns.
The Sikh Temple slayings in Oak Creek, Wisconsin was a result of a hate crime. He had a history of skinhead activity. The shooter "thought" he was shooting Muslims - when in fact he killed Sikhs who are not Muslim - kinda' like every Conservative calling Obama a Muslim.
Columbine was not a result of mental illness either.
Nov. 5, 2009: Thirteen soldiers and civilians were killed and more than two dozen wounded when a gunman walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood, Texas, and opened fire. Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.
April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned.
March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself.
Oct. 16, 1991: A deadly shooting rampage took place in Killeen, Texas, as George Hennard opened fire at a Luby's Cafeteria, killing 23 people before taking his own life. 20 others were wounded in the attack.
June 18, 1990: James Edward Pough shoots people at random in a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office in Jacksonville, Fla., killing 10 and wounding four, before killing himself.
Dec. 6, 1989: Marc Lepine, 25, bursts into Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique college, shooting at women he encounters, killing nine and then himself.
Aug. 19, 1987: Michael Ryan, 27, kills 16 people in small market town of Hungerford, England, and then shoots himself dead after being cornered by police.
July 12, 1976: Edward Charles Allaway, a custodian in the library of California State University, Fullerton, fatally shot seven fellow employees and wounded two others.
Aug. 20, 1986: Pat Sherrill, 44, a postal worker who was about to be fired, shoots 14 people at a post office in Edmond, Okla. He then kills himself.
July 18, 1984: James Oliver Huberty, an out-of-work security guard, kills 21 people in a McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidro, Calif. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty.
Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman opened fire from the clock tower at the University of Texas at Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31.
A better statement would be "Most highly publicized shootings have almost always ended in suicide - either by cop or self-inflicted."
That is a lot of typing not to make a point.

All of these shootings point to a mental disorder.

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#632 Jan 24, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not include it? It is a form of mental illness.
My statement should have read recent. But, if you want to go back Iíll deal with one incident. Iím not about to research every one you listed. Iím sure you didnít fully research all of them either. I also didnít say all were the result of mental illness, most. The Sikh temple, Iíll leave it at hate crime. Though, someone with that much rage surely has issues.
Columbine. Donít be so quick to say it wasnít the result of mental illness. Thatís a subject of debate
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/11/2532...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-575597...
Thereís a lot more information out there on these killings and their mental conditions. If youíre interested review the remaining shootings on your list.
Anyone, and I mean anyone that randomly kills large numbers of people without clear motive is very likely to be suffering from some form of mental illness.
I did have to edit out a portion of your quote due to size limitations. That portion is marked.
So you're going to classify rage as a mental illness? Rage is a human characteristic - a characteristic that all humans share and experience - not all of us are Gandhi-types.

But if you must be all inclusive, I'll play in your court for awhile...ever flip someone off while driving? How about cuss at the lady in the drive-thru? How about cussing under your breathe at your mother-in-law? How about your boss? How about when your team loses the big game? Never have a fight with your wife or girlfriend?

Uh oh...that's a sign of mental illness pal (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

Not all mass killings were due to mental illness - clinically diagnosed mental illness. It is literally impossible to diagnose mental illness clinically post-mortum.

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