Bizarre first quarter established tone for Seahawks victory

Feb 3, 2014 Full story: Bellingham Herald 46

The first snap of the game was errant, leading to the quickest score in Super Bowl history.

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Dave

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#22 Feb 5, 2014
tallyho wrote:
safety occurred before the false start......
Lay off the sauce it makes you look stupid.

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#23 Feb 5, 2014
have it your way.....I really don't care what you think no matter what ID you use ...now what what are you going to do now ,

nothing to fight about .

pssssssssssssst NFL headquarters is 280 Park Ave., 15th Fl. New York, NY 10017.......(212) 450-2000please inform them they are wrong

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#24 Feb 5, 2014
You kids need a time out. Grab a Dr Seuss book and go sit in a corner for an hour.
Dave

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#25 Feb 5, 2014
tallyho wrote:
hint safety began before the play ......
You seem confused or are a troll of limited intelligence. A safety wasnt called until the 12 second mark of the game, with 14:48 on the clock. A false start if called would have had to have happened 12 seconds earlier. Notice the time sequence. The safety could not have happened before a false start. Just say oops and move on, no need to cling to a losing position, unless you are a media type and are pressing Manning for best ever which he is no where close.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#26 Feb 5, 2014
tallyho wrote:
have it your way.....I really don't care what you think no matter what ID you use ...now what what are you going to do now ,
nothing to fight about .
pssssssssssssst NFL headquarters is 280 Park Ave., 15th Fl. New York, NY 10017.......(212) 450-2000please inform them they are wrong
You keep sticking to a losing position. You misunderstand what happened. NFL does not take your position. No one does. You are alone in your delusion. False starts happen at the beginning of a play, the safety happened 12 seconds later. Notice 12 seconds L-A-T-E-R, not before. NFL screws up a lot. This would be monumental. They didn't. You did. Claiming they said so is lame, it's also sad.

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#27 Feb 5, 2014
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem confused or are a troll of limited intelligence. A safety wasnt called until the 12 second mark of the game, with 14:48 on the clock. A false start if called would have had to have happened 12 seconds earlier. Notice the time sequence. The safety could not have happened before a false start. Just say oops and move on, no need to cling to a losing position, unless you are a media type and are pressing Manning for best ever which he is no where close.
NFL headquarters is 280 Park Ave., 15th Fl. New York, NY 10017.......(212) 450-2000please inform them they are wrong

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#28 Feb 5, 2014
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep sticking to a losing position. You misunderstand what happened. NFL does not take your position. No one does. You are alone in your delusion. False starts happen at the beginning of a play, the safety happened 12 seconds later. Notice 12 seconds L-A-T-E-R, not before. NFL screws up a lot. This would be monumental. They didn't. You did. Claiming they said so is lame, it's also sad.
NFL headquarters is 280 Park Ave., 15th Fl. New York, NY 10017.......(212) 450-2000please inform them they are wrong

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#29 Feb 5, 2014
The premise that the penalty was a false start is a false premise.'Tis true that a false start stops a play.

Jurisprudence processes and sporting contest rules are subject to technicalities.

Research by Google does show links with 'false start', but more will reveal either illegal shift or illegal motion. I did not look at nfl.com/rules to find the difference. Seems that either can be declined, and that makes sense.

Maybe the argument could be based on the difference between 'shift' and 'motion':

Illegal motion is "called" in these sources:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/46/sporting...
[in first post]
Penalty: DEN (illegal motion declined on first safety)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscor...

Full Play-By-Play section:
1 14:53 1 10 DEN 14 Peyton Manning for no gain. Manuel Ramirez fumbles, recovered by Knowshon Moreno at DEN--8, safety. Penalty on Peyton Manning: Illegal Motion (Declined) 0

and these:
footballzebras.com
newsday
denver post

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_safety_r...
Frank Lee

Cypress, CA

#30 Feb 5, 2014
Deer Whisperer wrote:
The premise that the penalty was a false start is a false premise.'Tis true that a false start stops a play.
Jurisprudence processes and sporting contest rules are subject to technicalities.
Research by Google does show links with 'false start', but more will reveal either illegal shift or illegal motion. I did not look at nfl.com/rules to find the difference. Seems that either can be declined, and that makes sense.
Maybe the argument could be based on the difference between 'shift' and 'motion':
Illegal motion is "called" in these sources:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/46/sporting...
[in first post]
Penalty: DEN (illegal motion declined on first safety)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscor...
Full Play-By-Play section:
1 14:53 1 10 DEN 14 Peyton Manning for no gain. Manuel Ramirez fumbles, recovered by Knowshon Moreno at DEN--8, safety. Penalty on Peyton Manning: Illegal Motion (Declined) 0
and these:
footballzebras.com
newsday
denver post
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_safety_r...
Many thanks. Went back and watched the tape to clarify. Ref called illegal motion and not false start. That's why the play was not stopped. Again, appreciate the added info. The only false start was my own for believing the initial question by an obviously messed up commenter. My apologies.

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#32 Feb 5, 2014
as I said .......DEN (illegal motion declined on first safety)

as I said....... Manuel Ramirez fumbles, recovered by Knowshon Moreno at DEN--8, safety. Penalty on Peyton Manning: Illegal Motion (Declined) 0

reading is a great tool too bad some don't have that in their box
Janitor

Cypress, CA

#33 Feb 5, 2014
tallyho wrote:
as I said .......DEN (illegal motion declined on first safety)
as I said....... Manuel Ramirez fumbles, recovered by Knowshon Moreno at DEN--8, safety. Penalty on Peyton Manning: Illegal Motion (Declined) 0
reading is a great tool too bad some don't have that in their box
To set the record straight, you sure seem like you are a pompous ass. You said the safety happened BEFORE the penalty which is impossible and now you keep making crap up to deflect your own stupidity. Saying...as I said Manny Ramirez......which you never said.
It was the impossibility of a safety BEFORE the penalty that was the issue. You are either slow witted or a troll. Will help if you are just not gifted. Trolls we all like to bury.
Janitor

Cypress, CA

#34 Feb 5, 2014
tallyho wrote:
safety occurred before the false start......
Obviously you are wrong. You said you called it an illegal motion penalty. It's says right here that you called it a false start as we have said from the beginning. Own up or be known as a troll, and a not so bright one at that. First the penalty then the safety. Logic dictates it. The safety ended the play. Anything else that occurred had to have happened previously.
Gotcha.

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#35 Feb 5, 2014
Janitor wrote:
<quoted text>
To set the record straight, you sure seem like you are a pompous ass. You said the safety happened BEFORE the penalty which is impossible and now you keep making crap up to deflect your own stupidity. Saying...as I said Manny Ramirez......which you never said.
It was the impossibility of a safety BEFORE the penalty that was the issue. You are either slow witted or a troll. Will help if you are just not gifted. Trolls we all like to bury.
the safety began with the snap of the ball , the safety declared after a recovery
... then was reviewed ..grow up you lost again ..... stop crying for once in your small life

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#36 Feb 5, 2014
Janitor wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you are wrong. You said you called it an illegal motion penalty. It's says right here that you called it a false start as we have said from the beginning. Own up or be known as a troll, and a not so bright one at that. First the penalty then the safety. Logic dictates it. The safety ended the play. Anything else that occurred had to have happened previously.
Gotcha.
so what ????????? cry you are wrong ass ....I went by the annoucers who are suppose to be experts ...I wasn't going to call them a liar ... Broncos are better sports than you .......... what do you want to cry about now call the NFL correct them .......... co za glupie gowno
Janitor

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#37 Feb 5, 2014
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>
the safety began with the snap of the ball , the safety declared after a recovery
... then was reviewed ..grow up you lost again ..... stop crying for once in your small life
consider yourself bit. Our condolences.

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#38 Feb 5, 2014
Janitor wrote:
<quoted text>
To set the record straight, you sure seem like you are a pompous ass. You said the safety happened BEFORE the penalty which is impossible and now you keep making crap up to deflect your own stupidity. Saying...as I said Manny Ramirez......which you never said.
It was the impossibility of a safety BEFORE the penalty that was the issue. You are either slow witted or a troll. Will help if you are just not gifted. Trolls we all like to bury.
a safety can only occur in the end zone ,that ball was almost recovered on the 1/2 yard line ... and a safety happen because Denver recovered in the end ..if Seattle did ....it would be a touch down.DUUUUUUUUUUh

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#39 Feb 5, 2014
the Denver center snapped the ball , but Manning was still in a set position , after the ball went by him did he re-act so in a word it was a fumble

it was a fumble
it was a fumble
it was a fumble
Dave

Cypress, CA

#40 Feb 5, 2014
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>
the safety began with the snap of the ball , the safety declared after a recovery
... then was reviewed ..grow up you lost again ..... stop crying for once in your small life
Your Bill Clinton type of logic only works in the halls of congress not in the real world or on a football field. The safety didn't occur with the snap of the ball all you deliriously believe. It bounced on the field of play then went into the end zone. At this point it could have been a TD for all we know. It wasn't until it was determined who recovered it that it becomes a safety or TD. Although, since you can see the future, you alone knew it was a safety. Probably the day before even. We all marvel at your time travel ability and how a safety that took seven seconds to develop actually happened right when the ball was snapped 7 seconds earlier. Kreskin has nothing on you, dimwit.

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#41 Feb 5, 2014
hell the more of a beating you take the dumber you get

now what .......... what do you want to do now ...

how about the coin toss ?????
Dave

Cypress, CA

#42 Feb 5, 2014
tallyho wrote:
hell the more of a beating you take the dumber you get
now what .......... what do you want to do now ...
how about the coin toss ?????
Was hoping a conversation would ......pick one
Clarify a point of misunderstanding
Open your eyes
Raise your IQ
Change your viewpoint
Give you a chance to become a worthwhile contributor
If none of the above, at least....
Let the world see who you are
Mission Accomplished.

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