Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#312 May 16, 2014
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>so because I'm glad my kids were born straight
Of course you're a bigot, just as you would be a bigot for saying you hope your children don't turn out to be Christians, and whether you consider yourself one is beside the point.

You didn't merely post your relief that your kids were born str8 (as far as you know,) of course. You also posted in this thread about simply and openly gay sports figure who kissed his boyfriend for the camera about having it "shoved in your face."

As I repeatedly pointed out to you, Bishop Romney "shoved his sexuality in you face" a lot more with his wife, Ann, and none of you even thought to complain about that.

Perhaps you believe if it falls short of lynching it can't be bigotry...but bigotry is a sick, unwarranted double standard, too.
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#313 May 16, 2014
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Dont really follow the gay media hype...but I'm sure that any player that voiced a negative opinion on the subject would be immediately banned from the NFL for life...
As with your funny "global change" post you don't know the first thing.

A Dolphins player did tweet something homophobic.

He was not banned for life. You are mistaken.

He was upbraided publicly and fined.

Perhaps this is the "global change" you were thinking of - the one where it's getting harder to be a bigot in public.
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#314 May 16, 2014
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>so enlightened that they wanted a nancy boy rather than a son that will give them a grandchild by the normal way
Misogynistic, too. But that always underlies the homophobia.

As though you don't know "nancy boy" is an anti gay slur.

Hey Cletus, we know who the bigots are.
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#315 May 16, 2014
Tehee Candor wrote:
I only just learned yesterday what LGBT even meant.
You're at least a decade behind the culture. I mean, even some outright homophobes at least have heard the basic vocabulary...ten years ago.

"Go figure!"

Wait till you hear there's a "q" involved in lgbt, and that that "q" can mean different things. You'll probably pack up and move to Uganda for the anti gay laws they have.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#316 May 16, 2014
Latter Day Taints wrote:
<quoted text>
As with your funny "global change" post you don't know the first thing.
A Dolphins player did tweet something homophobic.
He was not banned for life. You are mistaken.
He was upbraided publicly and fined.
Perhaps this is the "global change" you were thinking of - the one where it's getting harder to be a bigot in public.
Really?...case in point... reprimanded for an honest opinion. In other words if one has a different opinion, one is subjected to harassment and threats until one is forced to retract their own opinion? really now. By the way, I new were gay right off...lol
Krypteia

Crawley, UK

#317 May 16, 2014
Latter Day Taints wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you're a bigot, just as you would be a bigot for saying you hope your children don't turn out to be Christians, and whether you consider yourself one is beside the point.
You didn't merely post your relief that your kids were born str8 (as far as you know,) of course. You also posted in this thread about simply and openly gay sports figure who kissed his boyfriend for the camera about having it "shoved in your face."
As I repeatedly pointed out to you, Bishop Romney "shoved his sexuality in you face" a lot more with his wife, Ann, and none of you even thought to complain about that.
Perhaps you believe if it falls short of lynching it can't be bigotry...but bigotry is a sick, unwarranted double standard, too.
yep I'm not just glad but ecstatic they are born straight but that don't change the fact if they weren't I wouldn't love them any less,oh by the way before you mention your favourite word bigot again my sister married her female partner in a civil ceremony two years back and like me she doesn't feel she needs to show her affection in public nothing worse than an attention seeker..

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Level 9

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#318 May 16, 2014
Latter Day Taints wrote:
<quoted text>
I doubt you can, actually.
I know anti rational, racist, mouthbreathing christianists never back up their swill, unless they work for some fabulist, right wing think tank [sic] and have to provide _something_, but in this case I don't think you can find the goods.
Not that you'll try.
By the way, is the earth more than 10000 years old? Do we make laws based on Bible beliefs? Where do you think President Obama was born?
Well, at least you admit there are "goods" to find. That's are start, but you still have a long way to go in breaking the bonds of your feeble-mindedness. I doubt it will ever happen, but one day, when you grow up, you might find the intestinal fortitude to stop being a weak-willed follower. I sincerely doubt it will ever happen, given that your entire life up to this point has consisted of nothing more than doing what you are told. But there is hope, even for the lowest of the low.

“A Time for laughter and ...”

Level 3

Since: Apr 13

A Time to be candid.

#319 May 16, 2014
Latter Day Taints wrote:
<quoted text>
You're at least a decade behind the culture. I mean, even some outright homophobes at least have heard the basic vocabulary...ten years ago.
"Go figure!"
Wait till you hear there's a "q" involved in lgbt, and that that "q" can mean different things. You'll probably pack up and move to Uganda for the anti gay laws they have.
I suppose it was never a topic of interest to me and it wasn't one of the main topics as it is in our world today.

I'm not homophobic, but apparently my concerns for the children and for all the families that will break up because the wife or husband can now freely admit they weren't born that way will make me a bigot.

IMO the B & T makes it obvious they weren't born that way and for a young developing mind .. when and how will they decide how they were born and won't they be influenced by their environment concerning their 'choice'?

So what is the 'q' you refer to? I have my opinions, but I'm not going to bash others for theirs or their choices that don't affect me. I also don't appreciate the PDOA and it doesn't matter what lifestyle they practice, but then I guess that would just make me a prude.

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#320 May 16, 2014
Tehee Candor wrote:
This is a very touchy subject that has pitted Christian against Christian. There are many atheists that are having a field day as more are now being portrayed as bigots and a good number of them have to join the team when they don't believe in 'live and let live' either.
We all sin. All sin is equally forgivable. Homosexuality is no more a sin than prostitution or committing adultery. And, if a homosexual person has made peace with God, there is nothing more we can do but embrace them as human beings and love their good qualities.

Christians need to remember who is on trial, what the charges are, and who the judge is.

“A Time for laughter and ...”

Level 3

Since: Apr 13

A Time to be candid.

#321 May 16, 2014
LocNess Supertramp wrote:
<quoted text>
We all sin. All sin is equally forgivable. Homosexuality is no more a sin than prostitution or committing adultery. And, if a homosexual person has made peace with God, there is nothing more we can do but embrace them as human beings and love their good qualities.
Christians need to remember who is on trial, what the charges are, and who the judge is.
Hello, I in full agreement here. I'm afraid though that my faith is being shaken to the very core
considering all the different Christian views and what the bible says. I believe Jesus taught us to love and that is what I try to do regardless, but it is difficult when we are surrounded by hate.

I've actually become unable to even speak on this subject anymore and if you knew me around these parts like some of these folks, you'd be shocked to know I had become speechless about anything. ;)

“Don't worry about me, I"m fine”

Level 5

Since: Aug 13

middle of nowhere

#323 May 16, 2014
DC tells it like it is wrote:
<quoted text>
You are in for the shock of your life. Trust me on this. I knew from your first post on this thread ...on, your children were young.
Come back in 5 years and speak to most of then about you and your children.
But hell, I never know what I am speaking about.
~shrugs~
They will be what they will be..........However; I am doing the best I can to guide them in what I believe to be the right direction. No matter how they turn out, I know that I have done the best I can for them.

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#324 May 16, 2014
Tehee Candor wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, I in full agreement here. I'm afraid though that my faith is being shaken to the very core
considering all the different Christian views and what the bible says. I believe Jesus taught us to love and that is what I try to do regardless, but it is difficult when we are surrounded by hate.
I've actually become unable to even speak on this subject anymore and if you knew me around these parts like some of these folks, you'd be shocked to know I had become speechless about anything. ;)
John 13:34-35

34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

Simply stated, you must come to love one another in order to be Christian. There is no grey area or undefined principal. Learn the truth and stand strong in your faith.

Don't be speechless about matters of the heart. That is a sign of fear and with the Lord you should not fear anything but He. Have a good one Tehee.

“A Time for laughter and ...”

Level 3

Since: Apr 13

A Time to be candid.

#325 May 16, 2014
LocNess Supertramp wrote:
<quoted text>
John 13:34-35
34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Simply stated, you must come to love one another in order to be Christian. There is no grey area or undefined principal. Learn the truth and stand strong in your faith.
Don't be speechless about matters of the heart. That is a sign of fear and with the Lord you should not fear anything but He. Have a good one Tehee.
We most certainly can not change this topic to what the scriptures say.

Thanks and You have a good one too LocNess.:)

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#326 May 16, 2014
It coincides with the topic. If we all thought this way, there would be no topic of this nature. As much as people want to refute and reject scripture, they, or their messages, are imperative in attempting to make a better world. Ill be done now though for the sake of topic lol..

“A Time for laughter and ...”

Level 3

Since: Apr 13

A Time to be candid.

#327 May 16, 2014
LocNess Supertramp wrote:
It coincides with the topic. If we all thought this way, there would be no topic of this nature. As much as people want to refute and reject scripture, they, or their messages, are imperative in attempting to make a better world. Ill be done now though for the sake of topic lol..
Yes, it does .. but it is also the very thing that will make us the bigot in the minds of those that
argue so strongly for this cause. I don't pretend to be holier than thou and I would never preach
as some do, as if they have a stronger connection with the God of the Bible, and then act completely contrary to what Jesus taught us.

It is not our place to judge and speak down to others and I appreciate you have not done so.
Peace and Good Night :)
Your walls fall out

United States

#328 May 16, 2014
Latter Day Taints wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be impaired. I never tried to bar fundies or tee baggrz from kissing in public, from marrying the gender of their choice, from adopting, from openly serving in the military.
That would be "the same," Cletus. You're confused, at best.
And I think you do care about openly gay pro sports figures, just like you cared about Ellen when she came out.
Find any gold in the hole you're digging?
More straw man arguments and unsubstantiated accusations from the broken record.
I see you are now pulling out your big guns with your wittle Cletus name calling now.
You are the same imposer of will as your enemies.
You name call to make up for your own feelings of weakness.
Level 7

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#329 May 16, 2014
Latter Day Taints wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you're a bigot, just as you would be a bigot for saying you hope your children don't turn out to be Christians, and whether you consider yourself one is beside the point.
You didn't merely post your relief that your kids were born str8 (as far as you know,) of course. You also posted in this thread about simply and openly gay sports figure who kissed his boyfriend for the camera about having it "shoved in your face."
As I repeatedly pointed out to you, Bishop Romney "shoved his sexuality in you face" a lot more with his wife, Ann, and none of you even thought to complain about that.
Perhaps you believe if it falls short of lynching it can't be bigotry...but bigotry is a sick, unwarranted double standard, too.
First of all let me say.. You amuse me..
2nd bless your heart ....you take all the time to write out all these carefully constructed responses and. I would wager a bet the majority doest read past the first 2 lines.what a waste of your time..perhaps knitting would suit you better?
3rd and lasly...do you have carpel tunell?
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#330 May 16, 2014
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
reprimanded for an honest opinion....subjected to harassment and threats
How sick.

First, intoning it's an "honest opinion" doesn't mean it's not rank, unacceptable bigotry. I'm sure all the kkk types are merely expressing an "honest opinion." Of course these hatreds are honest felt.

Second, you have mixed up who the perpetrators and who the bigots are via the right wing's fake equivalence. The homophobe is not the victim; he is the hater. No one ever tried to say he can't marry, adopt, serve openly just because he's an ignorant homophobe, for example.

What is happening is that educated society is now beginning to react to homophobes as it reacts to kkk members, and that upsets all the homophobes and theocrats.
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#331 May 16, 2014
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>yep I'm not just glad but ecstatic they are born straight but that don't change the fact if they weren't I wouldn't love them any less
Your claims do not meet the definition of "not bigoted," except in fundie and tee baggrz and other deluded circles.

You probably would still "love" your kids if (you knew) they were lgbt, but send them for reparative [sic] therapy.

Your misogynistic, homophobic rhetoric is on record. Your trope about a pro sports figure's kiss as "shoving it in your face," when you would never say that about Bishop Romney kissing his wife in public indicates you have a psychosexual hysteria around homosexuality.

But you're "not a bigot." I'd love to know what a bigot is in your book. Probably no one is a bigot until they're organizing a lynching. You're out of step with educated society. That's why you maintain you're not a bigot. Because you're an outlier who is out of step.
Latter Day Taints

Philadelphia, PA

#332 May 16, 2014
Tehee Candor wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not homophobic, but apparently my concerns for the children and for all the families that will break up because the wife or husband can now freely admit they weren't born that way....I also don't appreciate the PDOA and it doesn't matter what lifestyle they practice, but then I guess that would just make me a prude.
You are deeply homophobic.

You and your type never complained about Bishop Romney's PDAs with his wife. You're deluding yourself, no one else. You object to same sex couples being able to behave as str8 ones in public do all the time. Now, there is no way for you to weasel out of this. The record is clear. It's a double standard, and it's so blatant it's scary that you "religious" people can say you don't see it.

Sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle." That is bigotry for you to say that. Again, you never referred to Ronald Reagan's heterosexuality as a "lifestyle."

What about all the families broken up by homophobia or double standards like yours? You magically discount those families to "worry" about fake marriages that some closet cases enter into due to societal homophobia and bigotry from people such as yourself. Double standards.

That amounts to homophobia. It is also heterosexism, no doubt a word beyond your reckoning.

You're at least fifteen years behind educated society on these points. None of this is remotely new.

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