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Jun 28, 2013
 
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November game of the 2013 season,LSU--Alabama has the home field advantage, More of an opinion, We might need it in the 4th,...lol
Besides the annual 'Bama game, I'm a little worried about that danged Texas A&M team this year as well :)

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I know there is no evidence for this, and I don't think we'll ever now what really happened.
I also agree that Zimmerman is the cause of the events. The thing is it's not a crime to be a wanna be cop, follow someone when you shouldn't, and even ask them questions. If there were a crime, it would have happened after that and we don't really know what happened. I hope he is found guilty just because he really did unnecessarily cause that boy to be killed, but I don't think he will be.
I don't see him getting off with a not-guilty verdict. Not with an all-female jury.

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I don't see him getting off with a not-guilty verdict. Not with an all-female jury.
Elements of a self defense seem to be:

First, the defendant must prove that he reasonably believed that his act was necessary to defend himself. This defense is available even if it turns out that the defendant did not actually need to defend himself. As long as he reasonably believed that he needed to defend himself, he will be able to use this defense.

Second, the defendant must show that he reasonably believed that he was being threatened with physical harm.

Third, the defendant must show that the threatened harm was imminent.

Fourth, the defendant must show that he reasonably believed that the threatened harm was unlawful.

Fifth, the defendant must show that the threatened harm was of such a nature that it actually required the level of force that the defendant used.

Zimmerman has to prove all these things and I think from the witness testimony today it looks like Martin was on top of him "ground and pounding" him.

Self defense would not EVEN be available if Zimmerman were the aggressor, but there is no evidence to show that he actually initiated the physical altercation. Without evidence that demonstrates he was the aggressor, I think he stands a very good chance of getting off.
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Jun 28, 2013
 
In the grander scheme of things, No matter how it all turns out, it's already gonna be a f***ing king sized black eye for animal like coonism, aka O J Simpsonism. This is a good thing. This is the way it should be.
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Unless you are a teacher or a police officer you have no business to bother someone else's child and harass them just cause they are walking down the street. Pull that shyte on my boys and you'll answer to me and I can guarantee it will never happen again, tough guy.
Now if they are misbehaving, that's another thing. Yes. I expect them to mind their elders in those circumstances. However, if some a-hole adult is harassing them, well then we gonna have a problem and are gonna have to have a little chat...
Do you know how foolish you look?
First, You must know the difference between 'harassing' and 'following'
Second.....You may want to 'chat' with me.....
But, I'm not going to jail for manslaughter....tough guy
After I was through they just would'nt believe it was self defense.

You see pal......After being left for dead by 8 guys......
'one' is nothing.....unless of course he is armed.
Third, You condemn Zimmerman for taking matters in his own hands yet.... you're being quite hypocritical here.

Is this a do as I say not as I do thingy? lol
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Pull that shyte on my boys and you'll answer to me and I can guarantee it will never happen again, tough guy.

You are now in line for being arrested for making unveiled threats, you moron.

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razz58 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know how foolish you look?
I know how foolish you look.
razz58 wrote:
<quoted text>First, You must know the difference between 'harassing' and 'following'
I'm pretty sure most folks would have a reasonable apprehension that some guy who is following them, in the dark, as they walk home at night, by themselves, means them harm. Now, as consider that Martin was just a boy.

Zimmerman is one one who initiated evens and made Martin reasonably fear that his life was in danger. As such, I think an argument can be made that his conduct was not self defense.
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<quoted text>Second.....You may want to 'chat' with me.....
But, I'm not going to jail for manslaughter....tough guy
After I was through they just would'nt believe it was self defense.

You see pal......After being left for dead by 8 guys......
'one' is nothing.....unless of course he is armed.
Translation, "I'm a pussay unless I'm armed."

Also who said anything about killing or even hurting anyone. You are talking about killing someone cause they have a chat with you. You are a nut.
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<quoted text>Third, You condemn Zimmerman for taking matters in his own hands yet.... you're being quite hypocritical here.

Is this a do as I say not as I do thingy? lol
No, I condemn him for arming himself and following an unarmed boy who was just walking home, alone, in the dark, and doing nothing wrong in anyone's eyes, except Zimmerman (Zimmerman didn't want a black boy walking in his neighborhood)

How would you feel, dummkopf, if you were a boy, walking home in the dark, by yourself, doing nothing wrong and some creepy grown man, with a gun were following you and you had no idea why? Would you be afraid?

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Pull that shyte on my boys and you'll answer to me and I can guarantee it will never happen again, tough guy.

You are now in line for being arrested for making unveiled threats, you moron.
Lmao ... I couldn't get arrested for shyte.
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Sublime1 wrote:
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I know how foolish you look.
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I'm pretty sure most folks would have a reasonable apprehension that some guy who is following them, in the dark, as they walk home at night, by themselves, means them harm. Now, as consider that Martin was just a boy.
Zimmerman is one one who initiated evens and made Martin reasonably fear that his life was in danger. As such, I think an argument can be made that his conduct was not self defense.
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Translation, "I'm a pussay unless I'm armed."
Also who said anything about killing or even hurting anyone. You are talking about killing someone cause they have a chat with you. You are a nut.
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No, I condemn him for arming himself and following an unarmed boy who was just walking home, alone, in the dark, and doing nothing wrong in anyone's eyes, except Zimmerman (Zimmerman didn't want a black boy walking in his neighborhood)
How would you feel, dummkopf, if you were a boy, walking home in the dark, by yourself, doing nothing wrong and some creepy grown man, with a gun were following you and you had no idea why? Would you be afraid?
Your stupidity is overwheming!
The thug was so scared he had to double back and CONFRONT the person he was in fear of.....rather than doubletime it home.
ROTF!

Hey bucko!
If you saw someone peeking through your daughter's bedroom window
as she was dressing....what would you do?
Would you confront him or join him.
LMAO!
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Obviously you would'nt call the police.lol
And if you did ....would you actually go out there to see which way he went.lol

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razz58 wrote:
<quoted text>Your stupidity is overwheming!
The thug was so scared he had to double back and CONFRONT the person he was in fear of.....rather than doubletime it home.
ROTF!
Yes, it makes perfect sense that some wanna be cop, who only has an ounce of courage when he has his gun, but outside of that is as courageous as little girl, would go out of his way to stalk some kid just because he happens to be black, disobey the police in the process, would then suddenly retreat and go back to his car. And it makes sense that some kid, who was walking back to his redence after buying candy at a convenience store, who was on the phone and scared, with corroborating testimony to boot, would double back and confront the guy who was frightened of. If you believe that, you are so naive, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

I think you are just a gun nut and a racist one at that and get off on folks being murdered, cause it makes you feel big and tough and without your gun, you've lived your life as a pu$$say who is constantly in fear of his safety.

Newsflash, of course, Zimmerman would say he retreated and Martin was the actual aggressor. He doesn't want to go to jail for murder. What do you expect him to say ... yes, I started the confrontation ... killed the kid ... and should go to jail, where I will be without my gun, will be naturally treated like the defenseless pussay that genetics made me be, and be a prison b1tch for the next 15 years of my life? You'd do the same thing and lie, cause you, like Zimmerman, are nothing but a little pussay without your gun.
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<quoted text>Hey bucko!
If you saw someone peeking through your daughter's bedroom window
as she was dressing....what would you do?
Would you confront him or join him.
LMAO!
Irrelevant. No one peaked in any one's bedroom. No one's daughter was involved. Apples to oranges.

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razz58 wrote:
Obviously you would'nt call the police.lol
And if you did ....would you actually go out there to see which way he went.lol
I would never involve myself in such a situation in the first place. I don't go out of my way to start shyte or look for problems.

I'm also not so racist that I think any black person walking in a neighborhood, obviously has mal intent, such that the police need to be called and I need to arm myself and follow them to see what they are up to. The guy was so bat shyte crazy he called the police, just because a black person was walking home on the sidewalk. The fact that this doesn't register with you and in and of itself clearly demonstrate to you the mindset of that nut job, shows that you are an idiot.

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Time line has it as a Crime scene 45 yards from the apartment where the dear old dad comes home and sees goody two shoes ain't home, turns off his phone and goes to bed,...oh he's at the movies

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Besides the annual 'Bama game, I'm a little worried about that danged Texas A&M team this year as well :)


Any given team can win on any Given Saturday,...

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Stretching the so-called "Castle Doctrine" to defend the bad actions of some idjit firearm extremist, away from the confines of his home, was a bad law. Those bad laws create bad, often sad outcomes like this one.

Giving said idjit any wiggle room on when he can and can't shoot someone and where he can and can't do so, particularly in cold blood, away from his own home leads to murders like this one. He executed this kid.

This was completely avoidable. If rent-a-cop wannabe had followed the 911 dispatcher's clear instructions and stayed in his vehicle and hadn't followed a kid, just because he wanted to, no dead kid and no trial!

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Seems to be a whole bunch of assuming on here by lots of folks. And more than a couple shade tree lawyers throwing out quasi-legal suppositions about intent,self-defense,who did/didn't do what and much of the news we are getting is from a media that has already tried Zimmerman and found him guilty in the court of the media bias.

WHY was Martin walking thru a neighborhood clearly out of his way home from the store?

That particular neighborhood had had a rash of burglaries by young Black men and formed a neighborhood watch to augment/assist police by being extra sets of eyes to deter future breakins.

DID Zimmerman exceed his role by watching/following Martin? Maybe,maybe not. A strange young Black male in a neighborhood just walking along,minding his own business. Or was he? We don't know if he was looking for future targets of opportunity.

When Zimmerman was told by 911 dispatcher he didn't need to follow Martin it WASN'T an order to cease and desist. It was a suggestion that SHOULD have been heeded but wasn't.

Now we don't know the details of the confrontation but evidence and statement by Zimmerman(who IS subject to scrutiny)suggest Martin initiated the fight. A sucker punch is NOT out of the question. Also,the eye witness who testified he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pounding sh1t out of him suggest that Martin was placing Zimmerman in peril,smashing his head on the pavement.

As a foot note to media bias in the case,NBC doctored the file footage of Zimmerman entering the police station. Somehow the injuries to his head were not visible when NBC aired the video. LATER,the UNdoctored footaqge was shown on OTHER networks SHOWING his injuries. NBC has since FIRED the producer who was responsible for the "error".

So before we all rush to judgement about this case lets get all the evidence. Without the hyperbole and media fog.

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Chilli J wrote:
Stretching the so-called "Castle Doctrine" to defend the bad actions of some idjit firearm extremist, away from the confines of his home, was a bad law. Those bad laws create bad, often sad outcomes like this one.
Giving said idjit any wiggle room on when he can and can't shoot someone and where he can and can't do so, particularly in cold blood, away from his own home leads to murders like this one. He executed this kid.
This was completely avoidable. If rent-a-cop wannabe had followed the 911 dispatcher's clear instructions and stayed in his vehicle and hadn't followed a kid, just because he wanted to, no dead kid and no trial!
If Martin was WHITE would you be as biased in your judgement?

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With the Crump crap showing a picture of Trayvon when he was 13 years old, one news outlet reported a 13 year old shot, Ol hat trick was just trolling with the gun toting BS, so I I got him to call me names in Three Short Post I Think, ...
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Amy receives a letter from Trayvon's Mama:

Muh Trayvon was juss peekin in to deh bedroom windows of white girls an jackin off on deh siding. Ah says, so f***in whad. Muh Trayvon had gonads deh size of grapefruits an had tuh expurgiate deh pressure dad was always buildin up. Dat be wad he was doin ..... nuttin else. Only one time did he hump deh clothes drier vent ..... juss once.

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okimar wrote:
WHY was Martin walking thru a neighborhood clearly out of his way home from the store?
Why was he doing that? He wasn't doing that. He was walking through that neighborhood because he was staying at a house in that neighborhood ... His dad's girlfriends house, to be specific ... He was also shot just a few houses away from his destination:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shooting_...
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That particular neighborhood had had a rash of burglaries by young Black men and formed a neighborhood watch to augment/assist police by being extra sets of eyes to deter future breakins.
So what? If a bunch of white people were robbing houses, should the cops be called in every white person who happens to be walking home through the neighborhood and should some gun nut be following them armed? The only person who posed a danger to anyone that night was Zimmerman ... Fact.

You'd be concerned someone might have bad intent and want to harm you if you were walking home at night and some strange man took such an interest in you and were following you too. Undeniable...

That what caused all of this ... Zimmerman acting like an a$s clown.
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DID Zimmerman exceed his role by watching/following Martin? Maybe,maybe not. A strange young Black male in a neighborhood just walking along,minding his own business. Or was he? We don't know if he was looking for future targets of opportunity.
He was walking to the house he was staying at. This isn't even debatable. Given this, it's ridiculous for you to suggest he was casing the neighborhood.
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When Zimmerman was told by 911 dispatcher he didn't need to follow Martin it WASN'T an order to cease and desist. It was a suggestion that SHOULD have been heeded but wasn't.
Problem is, he made Martin reasonably fear for his safety. As such, Martin had the right to defend himself and Zimmerman should have zero recourse to plead self defense. You can't instigate an altercation, make someone reasonably fear that their safety is in jeopardy, then murder them when they defend themselves. That's the law.

You'd fear for your safety too, if some guy was stalking you, as you walked home, alone, in the dark, and were just a boy. Again, undeniable.
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Now we don't know the details of the confrontation but evidence and statement by Zimmerman(who IS subject to scrutiny)suggest Martin initiated the fight. A sucker punch is NOT out of the question. Also,the eye witness who testified he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pounding sh1t out of him suggest that Martin was placing Zimmerman in peril,smashing his head on the pavement.
That's Zimmerman's version of events, and he is highly motivated to lie. Lets assume Zimmerman initiated, do you think he'd really admit to that knowing he'd go to jail (and would certainly end up a prison b1tch) if that came to light? So in the absence of corroborating evidence (and there is NONE when it comes to Martin being the one who initiated it ... in fact all the evidence shows that zimmerman went out of his way to confront Martin, disobeyed the police in the process, targeted Martin cause of his skin color and that Martin was scared) you take what he says with a grain if salt.

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