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“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#23 Apr 13, 2014
PS: You damn right I'm pissed!

PSS: Wouldn't you be?
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Paw Paw, MI

#24 Apr 13, 2014
this is bigger than Bundy

#t=85

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#25 Apr 13, 2014
WOW! I love it, this is way over due, everyone knows that. It's stop them now or we'll never be able too!
States rights prevail over Federal government - That's a fact!!!
And it's time 'we' used them!!!
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Paw Paw, MI

#26 Apr 13, 2014
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
WOW! I love it, this is way over due, everyone knows that. It's stop them now or we'll never be able too!
States rights prevail over Federal government - That's a fact!!!
And it's time 'we' used them!!!
how many gillie suits would ya say Cabelas has sold to archers

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#27 Apr 13, 2014
Good point!
Reid sucks

Avondale, AZ

#28 Apr 13, 2014
A rancher's take on Mr. Bundy. If you were not clear on what this fight was about, this will make it crystal.

The following is a comment that was left on another post from the P2T page, by a rancher about why this is a big deal:
"There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not.

What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher's grazing permit it says the following: "You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due."

The "mandatory" terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this "contract" agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment.

In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher's permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%.

In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow -- not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land.

Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand.

Reid sucks

Avondale, AZ

#29 Apr 13, 2014
Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are "suspended," but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of "suspended" AUMs that will probably never be returned.

And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero".

“No time like the present”

Since: Jul 08

to make it happen!

#30 Apr 13, 2014
Reid sucks wrote:
Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are "suspended," but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of "suspended" AUMs that will probably never be returned.
And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero".
And thank you for cutting through the noise.

Too many people shouting opinions from the sidelines who don't know anything about it except for what their party agenda is telling them to shout.
Jacob

South Jordan, UT

#31 Apr 13, 2014
He's a multimillionaire welfare queen, he's blocking a clean energy plant and he's killing endangered turtles. How does the man sleep at night?

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#32 Apr 14, 2014
Probably on a bed with a sheet, covers and a pillow.
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Since: Oct 12

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#33 Apr 14, 2014
At one time many years ago,,, Millions of of buffalo roamed freely across the prairie lands of what is now the USA.
They fed, clothed and sustained the first nations here.
Greed wiped them out.

History repeats its self.
Reid sucks

Avondale, AZ

#34 Apr 14, 2014
The media’s version of the end of the Bundy Ranch siege is that the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) simply “left” the ranch and “returned” the cattle out of the goodness of their hearts. CBS News even outrageously reported that the BLM “released the cattle to help restore order and avoid violence“! This despite widely-seen video of BLM thugs tasing Bundy’s son and shoving a pregnant woman to the ground. And the protesters never threatened violence in any way during the nearly one-week siege.

The real story was that the BLM refused to give back the cattle, and would not leave the property or disarm, to which they had agreed. The result was an epic standoff that reporter David Knight described as being like “something out of a movie.”

Supporters of Bundy advanced on a position held by BLM agents despite threats that they would be shot at, eventually forcing BLM feds to release 100 cattle that had been stolen from Bundy as part of a land grab dispute that threatened to escalate into a Waco-style confrontation.

Just name your Ranch Benghazi and the Government will never show up.



“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#35 Apr 14, 2014
Reid sucks wrote:
Just name your Ranch Benghazi and the Government will never show up.
That's a good one Tex!

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