Immigration reform making for strange bedfellows

Jan 29, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WTAE-TV Pittsburgh

CIO President Richard Trumka and Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Tom Donohue are working together to reach an understanding about a guest worker program.

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Illegal aliens are not genetically better pickers than Americans and immigrants. They are not gifted by God with the ability to pick better, fast or longer.
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Foreign governments lobbying hard in favor of immigration reform
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/ameri...

Americans Prefer Illegal Immigrants Head Home
http://cis.org/americans-prefer-illegal-immig...

Schumer: Legalizing Illegal immigrants won’t be stopped by border security needs
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/31/schumer-leg...

Stop The Illegal Invasion
http://personalliberty.com/2013/02/08/stop-th...

Raul Labrador: Immigration Reform With Pathway To Citizenship Won't Get House GOP Support
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/raul...

"Path to Citizenship" Not Desired for Many from Mexico
http://www.wgmz.com/cc-common/news/sections/n...

ICE Union Boss Blasts Obama Admin. for Making U.S. Immigration Law 'Essentially'
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Ubaldo: Legal, job woes follow amnesty recipient
http://news.yahoo.com/ubaldo--legal--job-woes...
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What source are you using to get you information from? Or is that your guesstimate?
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Georgia Sees Immigrant Farm Workers Aren’t So Replaceable
June 23, 2011
The state-run program in Georgia that puts the probation population to work in farms to make up for the shortage of farm laborers in the wake of an anti-immigrant law passed by the state is not yielding the results hoped for.
The program was started by Republican Gov. Nathan Deal after farmers complained that the anti-immigrant law he recently signed had resulted in an exodus of Latino farm workers leaving them with a shortage of labor that seriously jeopardizes their farming operations.
“It’s not going to work,” Benito Mendez, a crew leader at one Georgia farm, said.“No way. If I’m going to depend on the probation people, I’m never going to get the crops up.”
For the last week, Mendez has supervised several probationers but he says most call it quits early and don’t produce the same results as their Latino counterparts.
“Tired. The heat,” Tavares Jones, a 33-year-old worker said as he left early for the day at the farm Mendez works.“It’s hard work out here.”
Farmers have calculated that there are currently about 11,000 vacant positions at their farms. Crops that aren’t harvested soon could result in significant losses across the state if the matter isn’t resolved quickly.
So far the program is only in effect at one farm, but could expand to more in the next few days.
“Those guys out here weren’t out there 30 minutes and they got the bucket and just threw them in the air and say,‘Bonk this, I ain’t with this, I can’t do this,’” Jermond Powell, a 33-year-old probationer working at the farm, said.“They just left, took off across the field walking.”
Any article that uses the term "anti-immigration law" has no credibility. As for using prisoners for farm labor, that "program" was just a publicity stunt that was supposed to fail.

This is where the number are from.
http://georgiaagforecast.com/documents/AgFore...
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The article states the obvious. There is a farm labor shortage in Georgia. What they ignore is the fact that the labor shortage was not created by the new laws. It was created by the fact that agricultural producers have been relying on hiring illegal labor for so long that there is no longer enough domestic labor qualified and thanks to the low pay scale willing to do the work and they have not made provisions to legally bring in foreign workers. It is a problem they created and now they have to deal with it. The biggest problem is they have to compete with producers in states that are still ignoring illegal labor issue. What Georgia farmers should be doing is complaining that the federal government is allowing unfair competition by ignoring the use of illegal labor across the country.

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House Republican's will obstruct any meaningfull legislation, while a Democrat is in the White House.....They prefer petty, party politics over what is best for the people or the country....Remmember this, in 2014......
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House Republican's will obstruct any meaningfull legislation, while a Democrat is in the White House.....They prefer petty, party politics over what is best for the people or the country....Remmember this, in 2014......
The sticking point for immigration reform is and has always been amnesty for millions of people who have shown contempt for the sovereignty and people of the United States. If that was taken off the table then immigration reform could move forward to benefit honest immigrants and the United States. We need a sensible guest worker program that is a point almost everybody agrees on so let's at least get that done but as usual a small number of people demanding what common sense and the majority say is bad for the country are blocking progress. Why can't we improve the immigration process for honest people without having to legalize those who choose to break the law? Those are two separate issues and problems that should be dealt with separately. The same is true for "Dreamers". A very limited program aimed at the best and brightest is fine but open amnesty for anybody under 30 who claims that they have been here since they were young, come on.

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House Republican's will obstruct any meaningfull legislation, while a Democrat is in the White House.....They prefer petty, party politics over what is best for the people or the country....Remmember this, in 2014......
Again, please explain why flooding the nation with 12-20 million highly impoverished new citizens who will consume far more in welfare programs than they save in labor costs or pay in taxes is what is best for us.
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House Republican's will obstruct any meaningfull legislation, while a Democrat is in the White House.....They prefer petty, party politics over what is best for the people or the country....Remmember this, in 2014......
I'm a Democrat, but I hope the Republicans obstruct the hell out of this DREAM act.
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<quoted text>I'm a Democrat, but I hope the Republicans obstruct the hell out of this DREAM act.
That is the beauty of what our founders tried to create. There is supposed to be enough balance in government to prevent one group from successfully pressing for things that are repressive, morally misguided and down right stupid. It does not always work but usually it does. I always had a Democratic lean but the inmates are running the asylum these days. That is what threw the Republican Party out of the White House

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Again, please explain why flooding the nation with 12-20 million highly impoverished new citizens who will consume far more in welfare programs than they save in labor costs or pay in taxes is what is best for us.
Do you have a reliable, believable source that show's illegals recieving taxpayer assistance? I can report that many of the illegals, here in Florida are the key to maintaining low fruit, citrus and winter vegetable prices....it has been proven and often that our citizens on government assistance, have no inclination to do many of the jobs, illegals will....."flooding the nation", is a play on words, they come here through dangerous means.....they come here for the AVAILABLE WORK......

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The sticking point for immigration reform is and has always been amnesty for millions of people who have shown contempt for the sovereignty and people of the United States. If that was taken off the table then immigration reform could move forward to benefit honest immigrants and the United States. We need a sensible guest worker program that is a point almost everybody agrees on so let's at least get that done but as usual a small number of people demanding what common sense and the majority say is bad for the country are blocking progress. Why can't we improve the immigration process for honest people without having to legalize those who choose to break the law? Those are two separate issues and problems that should be dealt with separately. The same is true for "Dreamers". A very limited program aimed at the best and brightest is fine but open amnesty for anybody under 30 who claims that they have been here since they were young, come on.
It is going to have to be accompanied by a work available verification system, with a guarantee that no taxpayer assistance be recieved until say, 20 years after citizenship....

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<quoted text>I'm a Democrat, but I hope the Republicans obstruct the hell out of this DREAM act.
I think both sides realize, some type of plan is needed....the republicans can only balk, if they have no intention to win another election....

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<quoted text>Do you have a reliable, believable source that show's illegals recieving taxpayer assistance?.
Why don't you just ask yourself a few questions:

1-Everytime one of them has a baby (at least 380,000 a year (and that is assuming there are only 12 million of them here, which I won't get into now, but there is a very reasonable basis to assume this is a low estimate) in one of our hospitals, who pays for this? What's it cost to have a child? Is 10,000 unreasonable? That's over 3.8 billion dollars a year alone!!!

2-Everytime one of them has a child enrolled in public school (annual cost to educate a child in public school is 10k, annually), who pays for it? Let's assume that there are only 12 million illegals and lets assume they each have one child (very conservative). That's 120 billion a year in added education costs, alone! IN ONE YEAR! and that's assuming they each only have 1 child and there aren't more than 12 million of them!

3-These numbers are so high ... I don't even need to get into the costs of free school lunches and breakfasts, free medicaid, and the food stamps their anchor babies are eligible for. Much less the cost imposed with the anchor baby's parents get sick and need emergency medical care.

I just don't understand how anyone could look at these figures and say they don't cost taxpayers. Just think about it. We are all americans ... this isn't about me being right ... its about our need to change f'd up policies.

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Threats and spin are meaningless...we need reasonable answers....anyone can quote Fox....
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Threats and spin are meaningless...we need reasonable answers....anyone can quote Fox....
Spin is all you do!
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<quoted text>I think both sides realize, some type of plan is needed....the republicans can only balk, if they have no intention to win another election....
The only "plan" needed is to enforce the system in place now.
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I was just watching The Grapes of Wrath on TCM.
Where are all the Okies now that we need them?

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AMNESTY, A NAIL IN THE COFFIN FOR BLACK AMERICANS
http://hosted-p0.vresp.com/624108/ff7b18c0ee/...

Rubio- I Am Strongly Against Amnesty (2009)
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Thousands of Immigrant Aliens Given Dual Social Security Numbers; Caught Working & Defrauding Federal Benefits Programs:
http://patriotaction.net/profiles/blog/show...

Chain Migration...
What nobody talks about with this proposed immigration bill is a thing called chain migration. When one illegal is given a pathway, it's an open door for his/her entire family back in (__origin country___) to come here as well. How many? When you look at all the options and calculate the statistics, one person can lead to the legal entry of hundreds. Therefore, even if the Gov't is correct in saying there are 11M illegal immigrants, which there is not -- its more, then you are talking about 100 - 200 million people heading our way in the not so long from now future.
Forget about your kids getting a job, they'll be lucky if they find a meal.

Obama's uncle is now scheduled for deportation back to kenya after bring here 25+ years, illegally. Obama's aunt is also here illegally but he now has her on welfare and food stamps. Yes, I said illegally! There are poor people here legally who can't get welfare so why is Obama's illegal aunt getting it??? I hope it doesn't take us that long to deport Obama back to Kenya!

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Any article that uses the term "anti-immigration law" has no credibility. As for using prisoners for farm labor, that "program" was just a publicity stunt that was supposed to fail.
This is where the number are from.
http://georgiaagforecast.com/documents/AgFore...
Actually, they did interview actual farmworkers and farmers in the article - and named their sources.

So I would rate this as very credible.

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I hope it doesn't take us that long to deport Obama back to Kenya!
History lesson for ya'.

Ever hear of a gentleman named Thomas Paine? An immigrant, born in Thetford, England, in the county of Norfolk, Paine immigrated to the British American colonies in 1774 with the help of Benjamin Franklin and he arrivied in time to participate in the American Revolution.

His principal contributions were the powerful, widely read pamphlet Common Sense (1776), the all-time best-selling American book that advocated colonial America's independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain, and The American Crisis (1776–83), a pro-revolutionary pamphlet series. Common Sense was so influential that John Adams said, "Without the pen of the author of Common Sense, the sword of Washington would have been raised in vain.”

Without Thomas Paine's Common Sense, the Declaration of Independence probably would not have been drafted.

I wouldn't be so quick as to deport Americans - you never know.

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