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Immigration reform making for strange bedfellows

There are 180 comments on the WTAE-TV Pittsburgh story from Jan 29, 2013, titled Immigration reform making for strange bedfellows. In it, WTAE-TV Pittsburgh reports that:

CIO President Richard Trumka and Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Tom Donohue are working together to reach an understanding about a guest worker program.

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#1 Jan 30, 2013
No matter how hard the republicans and democrasts, in the senate work together.....the tea party House republicans will kill this bill, as they don't want any progress, while President Blackula is in office.....plus they know, in 2014 they are gone....

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#2 Jan 30, 2013
I have a thought ....

What ever country you are born in ..... stay there.

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#3 Jan 30, 2013
Bar Fly_ok wrote:
I have a thought ....
What ever country you are born in ..... stay there.
If that was the case, you would not be here.

Just imagine what would've happened at the turn of the century had we said this?

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#4 Jan 30, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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If that was the case, you would not be here.
Just imagine what would've happened at the turn of the century had we said this?
Actually, I was just making a funny.
BUT, if you REALLY want my opinion it goes like this:

I think people who come here illegally, in this era, should be shipped back with a bill for their transport. Furthermore, if the required visa are in order and they work here, they should pay more taxes and stop sucking on our welfare. And one more thing, any job should be offered to Americans first, they can have the jobs we don't want. Companies should be fined HEAVILY for illegals and we should be more diligent in reporting the companies that do hire illegals.
Now I'm sure you will blow my mind about my opinion, but there it is, lol. I don't speak from government sources, I speak from what I see. So ... it is just my opinion.
The first company that should be investigated here in Conyers is the GIHP. These guys work for 5 or 6 months, take their illegal gains and head back to Mexico. I wonder how much of their check is taxed? <phfffft!>
I'm sure some American's wouldn't mind shoveling chit if it will put food on the table. As long as it isn't more then 28 hours per week.

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#5 Jan 30, 2013
Bar Fly_ok wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I was just making a funny.
BUT, if you REALLY want my opinion it goes like this:
I think people who come here illegally, in this era, should be shipped back with a bill for their transport. Furthermore, if the required visa are in order and they work here, they should pay more taxes and stop sucking on our welfare. And one more thing, any job should be offered to Americans first, they can have the jobs we don't want. Companies should be fined HEAVILY for illegals and we should be more diligent in reporting the companies that do hire illegals.
Now I'm sure you will blow my mind about my opinion, but there it is, lol. I don't speak from government sources, I speak from what I see. So ... it is just my opinion.
The first company that should be investigated here in Conyers is the GIHP. These guys work for 5 or 6 months, take their illegal gains and head back to Mexico. I wonder how much of their check is taxed? <phfffft!>
I'm sure some American's wouldn't mind shoveling chit if it will put food on the table. As long as it isn't more then 28 hours per week.
"...if the required visa are in order and they work here, they should pay more taxes and stop sucking on our welfare. And one more thing, any job should be offered to Americans first, they can have the jobs we don't want. Companies should be fined HEAVILY for illegals and we should be more diligent in reporting the companies that do hire illegals."

You bring up an interesting point. Agricultural companies nowadays hire what we call "immigrant farm workers." These workers follow the harvests so to speak. They typically work 14-16 hour days in the cabbage, potatoe and produce orchards and fields. Men, women, children - entire families all working their tails off so that "we" don't have to pay $50 for a head of lettuce or $35 for an apricot. When asked what he would do if immigrant labor was no longer an option, a Georgia farmer recently answered, "I have no idea - we tried local farmhands before and they are on the job for 2 or 3 days and then they quit. It'll probably be the end of my company."

I can afford to pay high prices for my produce - so I could really care less.

But the question still remains - if you kick them out, who will pick the cabbage? Your college grad son? The out-of-work guy next door? How about you Bex? Ever pick cabbage for 14 hours a day in 110+ degree heat?

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#6 Jan 30, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
"...if the required visa are in order and they work here, they should pay more taxes and stop sucking on our welfare. And one more thing, any job should be offered to Americans first, they can have the jobs we don't want. Companies should be fined HEAVILY for illegals and we should be more diligent in reporting the companies that do hire illegals."
You bring up an interesting point. Agricultural companies nowadays hire what we call "immigrant farm workers." These workers follow the harvests so to speak. They typically work 14-16 hour days in the cabbage, potatoe and produce orchards and fields. Men, women, children - entire families all working their tails off so that "we" don't have to pay $50 for a head of lettuce or $35 for an apricot. When asked what he would do if immigrant labor was no longer an option, a Georgia farmer recently answered, "I have no idea - we tried local farmhands before and they are on the job for 2 or 3 days and then they quit. It'll probably be the end of my company."
I can afford to pay high prices for my produce - so I could really care less.
But the question still remains - if you kick them out, who will pick the cabbage? Your college grad son? The out-of-work guy next door? How about you Bex? Ever pick cabbage for 14 hours a day in 110+ degree heat?
LOL, I have tended a garden before and that was hard enough, no no no, I will not pick cabbage.
I just wonder if there are American's who would? But as long as America keeps handing out free food for those who won't work, I guess will never know.
Back in the day, people worked any job they could get,..... different rules apply now I suppose.
Mexican

Wakarusa, IN

#7 Jan 30, 2013
So what should 'we' be called, "immigrant farm workers"...(IFW) similar to (WPA), "payed slaves", chino cabbage choppers [when China takes over the US], Tequila tailgaters, all just part of Obamas "Go Green" strategy.
IFW is the last hope for KY tobacco farmers, no-one else wants to work that hard.

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#8 Jan 30, 2013
Calling them "undocumented Workers" is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacists. They are ILLEGAL period. No amount of feel good language will erase the fact that they broke the law to come here and continue every day to break the law to stay here. They need to be deported, unless they can prove on an individual case, that they would face prison or death at the hands of their government. We need to stop allowing the children of illegals to become citizens, just because they were born here. We need to completely seal our borders, North, South, East and West. Put those who are here illegally at the very bottom of the list for work visas and citizenship.
We need to get tough about immigration reform. No amnesty, no path to citizenship.
While we are at it, we need to stop pandering to those who cannot or will not learn the language of the land. We need to mandate that ALL forms and tests are in English only. If you cannot read English, to pass a drivers license test, then how can we expect you to read the highway signs, since they are in English.

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#9 Jan 30, 2013
Most other countries enforce thier immigration laws and protect their borders. Heck, Iran does a better job at it than our current administration that handcuffs any law enforcement that tries to enforce the law.

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#10 Jan 30, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
Calling them "undocumented Workers" is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacists. They are ILLEGAL period. No amount of feel good language will erase the fact that they broke the law to come here and continue every day to break the law to stay here. They need to be deported, unless they can prove on an individual case, that they would face prison or death at the hands of their government. We need to stop allowing the children of illegals to become citizens, just because they were born here. We need to completely seal our borders, North, South, East and West. Put those who are here illegally at the very bottom of the list for work visas and citizenship.
We need to get tough about immigration reform. No amnesty, no path to citizenship.
While we are at it, we need to stop pandering to those who cannot or will not learn the language of the land. We need to mandate that ALL forms and tests are in English only. If you cannot read English, to pass a drivers license test, then how can we expect you to read the highway signs, since they are in English.
I wonder what my great-great grandfather would have posted in reply of this?

Standing on the banks of Ellis Island, I'm sure he would've said:

"Wenn ich wusste, dass es soviel Rassismus in Amerika gab, würde ich nie gekommen sein."

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#11 Jan 30, 2013
Naughtyrobot wrote:
Most other countries enforce thier immigration laws and protect their borders. Heck, Iran does a better job at it than our current administration that handcuffs any law enforcement that tries to enforce the law.
Mexico has some extremely strict immigration laws and harsh enforcement. Then they have the gall to lecture us on our immigration policies.

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#12 Jan 30, 2013
300 MILLION AMERICANS PULLING IN 300 MILLION DIRECTIONS
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frost...

Illegal aliens are calling the Senate today. Are you?
http://www.alipac.us/f8/illegal-aliens-callin...

Tell President Obama No Amnesty for Illegal Aliens
https://www.numbersusa.com/phones...

Sessions: Comprehensive Reform Won’t Pass As Long As Admin Defies Existing Immigration Law
http://www.wtvy.com/home/headlines/Sessions-C...

The Amnesty Fight and America’s Future
http://politicalthrill.com/2013/01/28/the-amn...

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#13 Jan 30, 2013
So,$8 a pound tomatoes and $12 for six oranges won't bother anybody? How about $6 a pound for chicken?

“Reduce immigration levels”

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#15 Jan 30, 2013
Questions That Can Be Answered

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1. Will Amnesty STOP illegal immigration?

Of course not! ALL of our decades of experience with Amnesties and its results shows that Amnesties encourage much more illegal immigration. Why? Once we as a nation confirm that criminal behavior is forgotten and rewarded with citizenship, voting, social welfare benefits like free health care, it's easy to see why hundreds of millions more foreigners will be tempted into this crime. That is what happened after the giant Amnesties in 1986 and the six subsequent smaller amnesties in the 1990s, and it will happen this time.

2. Is Amnesty GOOD for the economy?

NO! These people are already employed. That's why they are here. If illegal immigration actually creates any jobs, they are long ago created. If the illegal aliens are working illegally at payroll jobs, they are already paying all the taxes they are ever going to pay (it's taken right out of their checks). If they are paid under the table, I suppose some more honest souls amongst them might start filing tax returns.

3. How about government spending?

Terrible! When you're earning low wages like many of these workers do, and you file a tax return, the government PAYS YOU THE TAXES! It's called an Earned Income Tax Credit, and it goes to millions of low-wage Americans. It's not supposed to go to illegal aliens, but it will be paid to them as soon as they become legalized. This will cost billions. Also, once they are legalized, the 11+ million will qualify for Medicaid (free medical care!). This one benefit could cost the government $50 BILLION every single year! Sen. Jeff Sessions says the total cost of an Amnesty will reach $1 TRILLION!

4. Who BENEFITS from Amnesty?

Let's be frank -- amnesty will not only reward 11 million illegal aliens with a path to citizenship, but it will instantly create 11 million new legal workers who will be jumping to the head of the employment line in front of 20 million unemployed Americans.

Who benefits from Amnesty? Well, the illegal aliens benefit. Big Business that loves cheap labor benefits. People who make their living handing out government benefits benefit.

5. Who LOSES from Amnesty?

Legal Immigrants Lose.Those who have worked hard and immigrated to the U.S. through legal means, and those waiting in their home countries for green cards lose. Why should they experience depressed wages and job competition from illegal aliens who are suddenly rewarded with legal status.

Taxpayers lose! Tens of Billions more of government spending for social welfare each year. To gain what for taxpayers? NOTHING!

Unemployed Americans lose! Please remember that 20 million Americans cannot find full time work. NOBODY is talking about them. NOBODY seems to care about what they want. Only half of recent college graduates can fine work in their fields. How does legalizing 11+ million more workers help them?

6. Can we WIN?

Take heart! We have EVERY chance of stopping this -- IF NumbersUSA members will PULL TOGETHER and GET DETERMINED!

Public opinion is STILL on our side! The faked-up, dishonest, nearly fraudulent "polls" that have lately been waved around are political documents, not honest research. We will soon be releasing honest, first-class research that shows that Americans who understand they have a choice choose enforcement over Amnesty! Find your courage! Hang ON!
https://www.numbersusa.com/donate/6

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#16 Jan 30, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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I wonder what my great-great grandfather would have posted in reply of this?
Standing on the banks of Ellis Island, I'm sure he would've said:
"Wenn ich wusste, dass es soviel Rassismus in Amerika gab, würde ich nie gekommen sein."
And at that time in our history, I am sure that he had to use English to get a drivers license. I am sure he had to use English if he became a citizen.
Wanting immigrants to come to this country in the legal way is not racism, but of course, that is the first stone cast by those who disagree.
I am the farthest thing from a racist you will ever see. I don't care if you are black, white, brown or yellow. I don't care if you are from China, Russia, Africa, Mexico, South America, Iraq, Ireland, Sweden, Australia, Canada, Poland, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti or any other country in the world. If you want to come to America, do it legally. Get a work visa, get a student visa, get a green card. Stay only as long as you are legally allowed and then go home.
If you want to come to America and partake of all her bounties, do not start off by breaking her immigration laws. When you are here illegally, do not expect America to grant you anything. You broke the law and you suffer the consequences.
Janney

United States

#17 Jan 30, 2013
path to citizenship for families &#57606;

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#18 Jan 31, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
<quoted text>I am the farthest thing from a racist you will ever see.
And the farthest from a hippie too.

"Hippies rejected established institutions, criticized middle class values, opposed nuclear weapons and the Vietnam War, embraced aspects of Eastern philosophy, championed sexual liberation, were often vegetarian and eco-friendly, promoted the use of psychedelic drugs which they believed expanded one's consciousness, and created intentional communities or communes. They used alternative arts, street theatre, folk music, and psychedelic rock as a part of their lifestyle and as a way of expressing their feelings, their protests and their vision of the world and life. Hippies opposed political and social orthodoxy, choosing a gentle and nondoctrinaire ideology that favored peace, love and personal freedom."

I've never met an armed hippie.

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#19 Jan 31, 2013
One of the mistakes we made, was our faith in our generation to legalize marijuana, when they got to Washington.....Who knew, the corporate alcohol and tobacco lobbyist's would pay off Congress, in order to see that pot stayed illegal forever.....

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#20 Jan 31, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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And the farthest from a hippie too.
"Hippies rejected established institutions, criticized middle class values, opposed nuclear weapons and the Vietnam War, embraced aspects of Eastern philosophy, championed sexual liberation, were often vegetarian and eco-friendly, promoted the use of psychedelic drugs which they believed expanded one's consciousness, and created intentional communities or communes. They used alternative arts, street theatre, folk music, and psychedelic rock as a part of their lifestyle and as a way of expressing their feelings, their protests and their vision of the world and life. Hippies opposed political and social orthodoxy, choosing a gentle and nondoctrinaire ideology that favored peace, love and personal freedom."
I've never met an armed hippie.
That's cause you aint met me yet.
I refuse to be pigeonholed. I refuse to fit into ANYONES preconceived notion of what I should be and how I should think.
I am not a dictionary definition, I am a man with complex ideals, some would say that some of my views are liberal and some are conservative. I was born in Texas from farm folk. I was raised in a small northern Arizona town. I am a product of the 50's and a child of the 60's. I am agnostic, I am a veteran of the United States navy, I am a firm believer in the founding documents of this nation. I am a gun rights advocate, I believe that all men and women should be treated as equals under the law. I believe in less government, I believe in a woman's right to choose, I believe in the death penalty, I believe illegal immigrants need to be deported. I believe that jail time should be punitive, not a vacation. I believe in conservation, I believe in myself and I believe that I am done with you.

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#21 Jan 31, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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That's cause you aint met me yet.
I refuse to be pigeonholed. I refuse to fit into ANYONES preconceived notion of what I should be and how I should think.
I am not a dictionary definition, I am a man with complex ideals, some would say that some of my views are liberal and some are conservative. I was born in Texas from farm folk. I was raised in a small northern Arizona town. I am a product of the 50's and a child of the 60's. I am agnostic, I am a veteran of the United States navy, I am a firm believer in the founding documents of this nation. I am a gun rights advocate, I believe that all men and women should be treated as equals under the law. I believe in less government, I believe in a woman's right to choose, I believe in the death penalty, I believe illegal immigrants need to be deported. I believe that jail time should be punitive, not a vacation. I believe in conservation, I believe in myself and I believe that I am done with you.
Dude, it's your name not mine.

Don't get all snivelly about it.

I could really care less what you believe in, where you've been or what you've done.

This is the internet - everybody is a superhero.

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