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If someone online threatens to kill you, should it be a crime?

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SUJ

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#1 Jun 21, 2014
Should it be considered a crime or free speech when a person threatens to kill someone on social media?

Supreme Court to weigh in on violent threats on Facebook

http://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-court-to-wei...
Roy

Owensboro, KY

#2 Jun 21, 2014
If they know who you are and where you live, I think it would be the exact same thing whether it's online or in person.

SUJ

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#4 Jun 21, 2014
Many thanks to Roy and Emerald for your reply's!
I thought quite a few here in this Weird forum, would have something to say about this.
:)

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Since: Jul 08

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#5 Jun 21, 2014
I didn't threaten to kill him - I just want to get together for lunch.

Really.

SUJ

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#6 Jun 21, 2014
Thank you Dr. Lector, err, I mean
Dr_ Dirty.
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“New & Improved..”

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Formerly From Kenya

#7 Jun 21, 2014
Or you could always laugh in their cyber face...

SUJ

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#8 Jun 21, 2014
Believe it or not, I swear people, my putting up this thread and link had nothing to do with any of the stuff going on in Topix today.
It is/was a truly weird & odd coincidence that this link from Cnet popped up in my email today.
I signed in specifically to share it with you all and after posting discovered the spat raging on the WAYT? thread.
*Smh*
With that, I wish you all a happy and peace filled good night!

Since: May 12

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#9 Jun 21, 2014
Yes! A crime indeed. Now with written proof. Zero tolerance.
HOUSTON

Jackson, MO

#10 Jun 22, 2014
Here is just one example of another person that was affected by all this. Please believe me they are not the only one.
SUJ wrote:
Believe it or not, I swear people, my putting up this thread and link had nothing to do with any of the stuff going on in Topix today.
It is/was a truly weird & odd coincidence that this link from Cnet popped up in my email today.
I signed in specifically to share it with you all and after posting discovered the spat raging on the WAYT? thread.
*Smh*
With that, I wish you all a happy and peace filled good night!
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/weird/TIE5IFD...

I THINK it would be wonderful if you would considering putting an end to this here discussion and moving on or create another TROLL thread. I think I'll get back to minding my own business again. Thanks
HOUSTON

Jackson, MO

#11 Jun 22, 2014
SUJ, that was a mistake I putting that post here. I wanted it to go to the thread you mentioned to show them that sort of thing does affect more than just those involved. I knew you didn't start this one for that reason.

Yes, I think it should be considered a crime. That said, how would it be enforced without much to do and cost? The one that is being threatened would be responsible for bringing attention to it and then all the headaches of following through may be more than they could handle.

Some are actually on line alone and other's may simply overlook this sort of thing. If it happens to one that is more popular than it may be an easier process, but for the lone rangers out here, not so much.

BTW, there was not a death threat on that other thread. I suppose that there would have to be determined as well. When is it a threat that we should be concerned about?
HOUSTON

Jackson, MO

#12 Jun 22, 2014
justaguess wrote:
Or you could always laugh in their cyber face...
I believe in the majority of cases you could do just this, but not all of them.
There has been more attention brought to what they call 'Trolls' and how some
of them may actually be sadistic and if they also have very good computer skills
and other resources ... This could actually reach their front door and it only takes
one or two mistakes or a professional that knows what they are doing.

I could locate some links of stories on real people in their real lives that were very
affected by what first started out a bad response on line. I'm sure I wouldn't need
to though as I can't be the only one to have heard a few of the horror stories.

It would just be such an added burden to our all ready overloaded LEA, in my opinion.
The moderators here struggle to catch it all and some are not reporting and even then
it may be too late to be effective. It's all fun and games until someone actually does get
hurt and we're not talking hurt feelings by some naughty words.
Ami in Miami

United States

#13 Jun 22, 2014
HOUSTON wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe in the majority of cases you could do just this, but not all of them.
There has been more attention brought to what they call 'Trolls' and how some
of them may actually be sadistic and if they also have very good computer skills
and other resources ... This could actually reach their front door and it only takes
one or two mistakes or a professional that knows what they are doing.
I could locate some links of stories on real people in their real lives that were very
affected by what first started out a bad response on line. I'm sure I wouldn't need
to though as I can't be the only one to have heard a few of the horror stories.
It would just be such an added burden to our all ready overloaded LEA, in my opinion.
The moderators here struggle to catch it all and some are not reporting and even then
it may be too late to be effective. It's all fun and games until someone actually does get
hurt and we're not talking hurt feelings by some naughty words.
"There has been more attention brought to what they call 'Trolls' and how some
of them may actually be sadistic and if they also have very good computer skills
and other resources ... This could actually reach their front door and it only takes
one or two mistakes or a professional that knows what they are doing...."

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
Roy

Owensboro, KY

#14 Jun 22, 2014
SUJ wrote:
Should it be considered a crime or free speech when a person threatens to kill someone on social media?
Supreme Court to weigh in on violent threats on Facebook
http://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-court-to-wei...
I don't think telling somebody to go play in traffic would be a death threat. Do you? That's more of a suggestion. If you told them you were going to run them over with a dump truck, that would be a death threat

“Me Me Me!”

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#15 Jun 22, 2014
What he said were clearly a threats. I hope the courts put a stop to people acting this way on line.

“New & Improved..”

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Formerly From Kenya

#16 Jun 22, 2014
HOUSTON wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe in the majority of cases you could do just this, but not all of them.
There has been more attention brought to what they call 'Trolls' and how some
of them may actually be sadistic and if they also have very good computer skills
and other resources ... This could actually reach their front door and it only takes
one or two mistakes or a professional that knows what they are doing.
I could locate some links of stories on real people in their real lives that were very
affected by what first started out a bad response on line. I'm sure I wouldn't need
to though as I can't be the only one to have heard a few of the horror stories.
It would just be such an added burden to our all ready overloaded LEA, in my opinion.
The moderators here struggle to catch it all and some are not reporting and even then
it may be too late to be effective. It's all fun and games until someone actually does get
hurt and we're not talking hurt feelings by some naughty words.
I get what you are saying, and yes, there are a lot of weirdo's that do nothing but troll the internet for those that still don't get how this stuff works. In theory I would agree with the thread and your position on it. In practicality it is an impossible task.

SUJ

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#17 Jun 22, 2014
Hi and thank you to everyone who has posted here.

I have deliberately left my personal opinion out of the thread.

I want all to feel comfortable and unimpeded ... so as to get unbiased and free flowing shares from anyone who wants to post on the subject.

As stated before this is not about Topix or even Facebook,(in my sharing).
It is about all social media including news, blogs, anywhere on the net, where poster's can react and reply to one another.

Now like Roy has said I would differentiate between a suggestion and an actual threat of real harm.
I think most adults know the difference between "I wish you would" and "I'm going to".

Speaking of adults,, lets extend this question to children's threats or possible evil deeds too.
[Set aside that previous sentence, please, "differentiate between a suggestion and an actual threat"]

Beyond bullying , when should LEA be called in to look at a post made by a minor(s)?

Thinking not only of RW physical assaults, what about the suggestion from peer's that one commit suicide?
This has happened with disastrous results.

Will check back tomorrow evening to see what you all have to say.
:-)
Roy

Owensboro, KY

#18 Jun 23, 2014
SUJ wrote:
I think most adults know the difference between "I wish you would" and "I'm going to".
Speaking of adults,, lets extend this question to children's threats or possible evil deeds too.
[Set aside that previous sentence, please, "differentiate between a suggestion and an actual threat"]
I think a death threat made online, called terrorist threatening in some states, could be prosecuted now. The local cops and da office might not want to help because of the time and expense involved. Also would be difficult to prove. But a person with the time and money could gather the evidence himself and present that evidence to the da's office or a grand jury. He could also hire an attorney or private investigator to do it for him. Pretty sure the crime would be prosecuted in the state and county the post was made from
Roy

Owensboro, KY

#19 Jun 23, 2014
SUJ wrote:
Speaking of adults,, lets extend this question to children's threats or possible evil deeds too.
[Set aside that previous sentence, please, "differentiate between a suggestion and an actual threat"]
Beyond bullying , when should LEA be called in to look at a post made by a minor(s)?
Thinking not only of RW physical assaults, what about the suggestion from peer's that one commit suicide?
This has happened with disastrous results.
Will check back tomorrow evening to see what you all have to say.
:-)
Kids should probably be monitored by adults online
Roy

Owensboro, KY

#20 Jun 23, 2014
SUJ wrote:
Should it be considered a crime or free speech when a person threatens to kill someone on social media?
Supreme Court to weigh in on violent threats on Facebook
http://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-court-to-wei...
I just now read the article. You said should it be a crime and my first thought was, It already is a crime

This guy is trying to claim he wasn't making threats, he was just being artistic and writing poetry.
Alvin Birta

Huntington, NY

#21 Jun 23, 2014
If this happens to you then you should call the Royal Canadian police and they can go to Edmonton and arrest her.....it is against the law.

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