Sikh couple kicked out of theater over religious 'weapon'

Jun 26, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WTSP-TV Saint Petersburg

A Sacramento man said he and his wife were asked to leave a movie theater because company policy considers his religious item a weapon.

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doing some more research ...

A]....The kirpan is worn strapped to a belt known as a gatra...

B]....Singh said he was wearing his kirpan underneath his shirt, out of sight.

now if it is a display why was it hidden... then would it stand t reason that security had to be informed...now who and how did who know it was under his shirt????

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There's no such thing as 'zero tolerance policy against weapons' since people can kill anybody with anything.
A well placed attack on a pressure point around the neck is enough to suffocate an adult to death.
You and your Vulcan Death Grip get back to your post, Mr. Spock.
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Canadians have an orient fetish , and a Canadian you are not look how you spelled indefinitely.. and you do it all the time no matter what ID you use...
What the hell are you babbling about? If you are going to bother to post than at least make some sense.

What does a spelling error or the orient have to do with the topic at hand?
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That guy who showed up at a Denver theatre wearing a clown suit and armed with a shotgun should sue the city for violating his freedom of religious expression.

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John wrote:
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What the hell are you babbling about? If you are going to bother to post than at least make some sense.
What does a spelling error or the orient have to do with the topic at hand?
Speaking of which - then, not than.

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John wrote:
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Once a rule is set in place it's best not to bend it? Really? At one point in time there was a rule that black people weren't allowed to take a public bus. At one point in time there was a rule that women were not allowed to vote. At one point in time there was a rule that gays were not allowed to marry.
I'm sure the people that made these rules felt the same way as you and tried to rationalize the reason for the "rule" but they were broken for the better.
u didn't get my point which is - some people will say or do anything to get their own personal wants/needs met - regardless of whats put into place for the good of ALL the people. which with regards to this "bird lady" is apparently what she was trying to do since she never presented any of the requested documents to support her claim.
I think this manager did exactly just that, he put "safety" ahead of a single persons desires, regardless of religion, regardless how small a knife may have been, he felt it Was considered a weapon and did what he felt was right.
with All of the violence that's been going on in this world, I say he did a good thing, and Should be applauded for his action....

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Hope you don't mind my copying and posting this,
I just posted it on El's Kitchen thread where
the discussion has spilt over.

"The kirpan is worn strapped to a belt known as a gatra, and the wearer is specifically forbidden from using the blade in anger or malice. However, traditionally Sikhs were expected to draw their kirpans to defend the helpless, or to assist people in need. This was an important part of the saint-warrior ethos of the Sikh community, with many Sikh men training in martial arts to learn how to effectively defend others from attack.

For a Sikh, the kirpan is a very important religious symbol. Removing the kirpan is not allowed, and it is also emotionally traumatic, because the blade is an important part of the wearer's religious identity. Most Sikhs wear their kirpans under their garments, so bystanders are generally not aware that a blade is even being worn. The kirpan is typically strapped tightly into the belt it is worn with, and it may be worn in a variety of locations, depending on the needs of the wearer.

Unfortunately for Sikhs, people who are not in the Sikh community view the kirpan as a potentially dangerous weapon. Sikhs are asked to remove their kirpans before boarding aircraft, for example, and they are sometimes banned in schools and other public locations, despite protest from the Sikh community. In a desire to accommodate the religious imperative to wear the kirpan, some communities have specifically permitted the use of blunted kirpans, allowing Sikhs to retain this religious symbol while also satisfying local laws in regards to weapons."

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Justin wrote:
That guy who showed up at a Denver theatre wearing a clown suit and armed with a shotgun should sue the city for violating his freedom of religious expression.
Which, in retrospect, just may not have happened at all, had
this been the theatre in question where the security is in
question..not least of all by myself, but you get my point.

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doing some more research ...
A]....The kirpan is worn strapped to a belt known as a gatra...
B]....Singh said he was wearing his kirpan underneath his shirt, out of sight.
now if it is a display why was it hidden... then would it stand t reason that security had to be informed...now who and how did who know it was under his shirt????
Please see below.....

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u know El, one thing ive learned from working at where i am, is once there is a rule set, its best to just not bend it for anybody, because believe me people will use all kinds of excuses why "they" should be allowed to do this or that. lol i see it all the time, its clearly stated No pets - yet time after time i have to write someone a letter because, yep they;ve decided its ok. had a lady who told us that her bird was for her "mental state" - the owners understood and were willing to let her out of her lease, but that wasn't good enough for her (of course not! its the cheapest place around - lol)
once lawyers got involved, letters went round and round, so by then, i thankfully no longer had to be involved with it, but she eventually moved out..
maybe she did have a real need for a bird - but they couldn't change it just for her, and im sure this may be the case here too...
lets face it, theres no way to tell who has evil intent in their minds, no way to look at a person either and tell if it is so.
but by setting a rule that "may" help ward off any problems, well in my view, its not such a bad thing.
in my mind, this guys had his 15 seconds of fame, he was offered his money back, he could have taken it and gone away, but he chose to make this a racial profiling and not everybody is buying into it....
I can't move past a poor old lady, on her own, being told she
cannot keep her little bird...(:

Sometimes rules can be bent....

I don't blame Mr. Singh one bit for sticking to his guns, he
was baptised and forbidden from removing his kirpan. I do
think it would be gracious to offer him an apology...the man's
pride is at stake here. Equally, I would expect Mr. Singh to
accept that in this day and age, some perhaps act rather hastily,
suspecting anybody whose religion they do not understand.

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bend rules take away law ...

oh you only shot him once , ok.... lucky for you you didn't do it twice
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I can't move past a poor old lady, on her own, being told she
cannot keep her little bird...(:
Sometimes rules can be bent....
I don't blame Mr. Singh one bit for sticking to his guns, he
was baptised and forbidden from removing his kirpan. I do
think it would be gracious to offer him an apology...the man's
pride is at stake here. Equally, I would expect Mr. Singh to
accept that in this day and age, some perhaps act rather hastily,
suspecting anybody whose religion they do not understand.
One of the 5k's is also kara (steel bangle). Next Americans will complain that the kara is a threat because it can be used as brass-knuckles-type weapon.
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u didn't get my point which is - some people will say or do anything to get their own personal wants/needs met - regardless of whats put into place for the good of ALL the people. which with regards to this "bird lady" is apparently what she was trying to do since she never presented any of the requested documents to support her claim.
I think this manager did exactly just that, he put "safety" ahead of a single persons desires, regardless of religion, regardless how small a knife may have been, he felt it Was considered a weapon and did what he felt was right.
with All of the violence that's been going on in this world, I say he did a good thing, and Should be applauded for his action....
Point taken but who decides what is "good for all"? And who is the all? If you're not in line with the all, where does that leave you?
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Speaking of which - then, not than.
Are you proud of your fragment sentence? At least I can make proper sentences.

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eleanorigby wrote:
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I can't move past a poor old lady, on her own, being told she
cannot keep her little bird...(:
Sometimes rules can be bent....
I don't blame Mr. Singh one bit for sticking to his guns, he
was baptised and forbidden from removing his kirpan. I do
think it would be gracious to offer him an apology...the man's
pride is at stake here. Equally, I would expect Mr. Singh to
accept that in this day and age, some perhaps act rather hastily,
suspecting anybody whose religion they do not understand.
I never said she was an "old lady" and as far as poor? doubt that..
but she did sign a lease, with the no pet rule and I always tell everyone even before they sign it about this rule. so she knew.. just wanted - what She wanted.
and it was clear from the moment I wrote her that she was one big BSer. lol but I gave her the benefit of the doubt and did My job. so whatever. didn't work out for her in the end, and im sure she happy where shes living now. lol

but u know El - another thing ive learned, is just because a person shows one face to the world, doesn't mean its really who they are. like - of course - the stories of priest, etc. people who represent a "type" person, or what they believe in, well sometimes they end up Not being that person at all.
but besides all that, I think this Sikh couple could have had some Understanding and compassion about "why" he was asked to turn over the thing and if not they at least gracefully leave the theater. that in my way of thinking is what a normal religious person would do, not stand there and try to be in the limelite - acting like the world is one big happy "safe" place..
its the same old story - Lookie at ME!!!! im more important than anybody else. its All about ME!!!!

lol

whatever, all I know is I would Never apologize for something that I felt I was right to do or say, and IMO this manager at the theater has no reason either.
so I guess we differ on that point. no big deal.....

good talking to u El!
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Are you proud of your fragment sentence? At least I can make proper sentences.
Fragmented, not fragment.

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The theater manager may have been angry that none of his three wishes came true?

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bend rules take away law ...
oh you only shot him once , ok.... lucky for you you didn't do it twice
Luckier still for 'him' I would imagine.

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John wrote:
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One of the 5k's is also kara (steel bangle). Next Americans will complain that the kara is a threat because it can be used as brass-knuckles-type weapon.
Where does it end? And how ironic that the movie the Singh's
had gone to see was 'Man of Steel'..lol.

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I never said she was an "old lady" and as far as poor? doubt that..
but she did sign a lease, with the no pet rule and I always tell everyone even before they sign it about this rule. so she knew.. just wanted - what She wanted.
and it was clear from the moment I wrote her that she was one big BSer. lol but I gave her the benefit of the doubt and did My job. so whatever. didn't work out for her in the end, and im sure she happy where shes living now. lol
but u know El - another thing ive learned, is just because a person shows one face to the world, doesn't mean its really who they are. like - of course - the stories of priest, etc. people who represent a "type" person, or what they believe in, well sometimes they end up Not being that person at all.
but besides all that, I think this Sikh couple could have had some Understanding and compassion about "why" he was asked to turn over the thing and if not they at least gracefully leave the theater. that in my way of thinking is what a normal religious person would do, not stand there and try to be in the limelite - acting like the world is one big happy "safe" place..
its the same old story - Lookie at ME!!!! im more important than anybody else. its All about ME!!!!
lol
whatever, all I know is I would Never apologize for something that I felt I was right to do or say, and IMO this manager at the theater has no reason either.
so I guess we differ on that point. no big deal.....
good talking to u El!
:)
I know what you mean PFfff..people have many facets and you can't
take anything at face value, but you know, you expect someone as highly trained as security should be able to, it's part of the job, a certain amount of intuition comes with it, an understanding of people. Not going by appearance, but using gut instinct.
But perhaps you are right, he was doing his job best as he knew how, rather to be safe than sorry, so I don't think we disagree entirely, I think we can agree to differ myself....:)

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