Sikh couple kicked out of theater over religious 'weapon'

There are 20 comments on the Jun 26, 2013, WTSP-TV Saint Petersburg story titled Sikh couple kicked out of theater over religious 'weapon'. In it, WTSP-TV Saint Petersburg reports that:

A Sacramento man said he and his wife were asked to leave a movie theater because company policy considers his religious item a weapon.

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#22 Jun 27, 2013
wonder how did they know , I never knew they carried dirks....

but as the saying goes how was the solider beheaded on a public street

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#24 Jun 27, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
Carrying a Kirpan (or ceremonial dagger) is a Sikh tradition for those baptized in the Sikh religion.
"It is a religious commandment given by Guru Gobind Singh (the tenth Guru of Sikhism) at the Vaisakhi Amrit Sanchar (a holy religious ceremony that formally baptizes a Sikh) in 1699, all baptised Sikhs (Khalsa) must wear a kirpan at all times along with other Articles of Faith. Although not all those who identify themselves as Sikhs carry a kirpan, it is one of the five articles of faith required to be worn by baptized Sikhs."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan
its funny how the religion rules apply in this country, think about it, some think its ok for this man to carry this thing "based on his religious beliefs"...
and then u have the notion that its not ok to have prayer in our schools because some don't have the same beliefs..

makes no sense!
lol
:)

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#25 Jun 27, 2013
separation of state/church....

School is state , if one prayer is spoken then every prayer should be equally spoken as well

so therefore state separates from religion

and visa versa ...

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#26 Jun 27, 2013
tallyho wrote:
wonder how did they know , I never knew they carried dirks....
but as the saying goes how was the solider beheaded on a public street
Good point..but not by a middle aged couple on a night out
at the theatre. One has to take circumstances into account
before jumping the gun and labelling on sight, a threat.

"In the last two world wars 83,005 turban wearing Sikh soldiers were killed and 109,045 were wounded. They all died or were wounded for the freedom of Britain and the world, and during shell fire, with no other protection but the turban, the symbol of their faith."

It pays to understand those living amongst us. Go to a Sikh's
house, and whatever your religion, you will be welcomed and fed.

I feel strongly this family were treated in such a shabby manner.

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#27 Jun 27, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
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Good point..but not by a middle aged couple on a night out
at the theatre. One has to take circumstances into account
before jumping the gun and labelling on sight, a threat.
"In the last two world wars 83,005 turban wearing Sikh soldiers were killed and 109,045 were wounded. They all died or were wounded for the freedom of Britain and the world, and during shell fire, with no other protection but the turban, the symbol of their faith."
It pays to understand those living amongst us. Go to a Sikh's
house, and whatever your religion, you will be welcomed and fed.
I feel strongly this family were treated in such a shabby manner.
missing one fine point that is his version....

law is specific for that house ... no knives didn't say religious knives , just no knives
Dr Stinko

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#28 Jun 27, 2013
A dagger is not a symbol; it's a dagger.
Respect and all for his religion, and his beliefs and all, but I won't see a film while sitting next to some guy carrying a blade...

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#29 Jun 27, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
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Good point..but not by a middle aged couple on a night out
at the theatre. One has to take circumstances into account
before jumping the gun and labelling on sight, a threat.
"In the last two world wars 83,005 turban wearing Sikh soldiers were killed and 109,045 were wounded. They all died or were wounded for the freedom of Britain and the world, and during shell fire, with no other protection but the turban, the symbol of their faith."
It pays to understand those living amongst us. Go to a Sikh's
house, and whatever your religion, you will be welcomed and fed.
I feel strongly this family were treated in such a shabby manner.
u know El, one thing ive learned from working at where i am, is once there is a rule set, its best to just not bend it for anybody, because believe me people will use all kinds of excuses why "they" should be allowed to do this or that. lol i see it all the time, its clearly stated No pets - yet time after time i have to write someone a letter because, yep they;ve decided its ok. had a lady who told us that her bird was for her "mental state" - the owners understood and were willing to let her out of her lease, but that wasn't good enough for her (of course not! its the cheapest place around - lol)
once lawyers got involved, letters went round and round, so by then, i thankfully no longer had to be involved with it, but she eventually moved out..
maybe she did have a real need for a bird - but they couldn't change it just for her, and im sure this may be the case here too...
lets face it, theres no way to tell who has evil intent in their minds, no way to look at a person either and tell if it is so.
but by setting a rule that "may" help ward off any problems, well in my view, its not such a bad thing.

in my mind, this guys had his 15 seconds of fame, he was offered his money back, he could have taken it and gone away, but he chose to make this a racial profiling and not everybody is buying into it....

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#31 Jun 27, 2013
PFfff wrote:
<quoted text>
its funny how the religion rules apply in this country, think about it, some think its ok for this man to carry this thing "based on his religious beliefs"...
and then u have the notion that its not ok to have prayer in our schools because some don't have the same beliefs..
makes no sense!
lol
:)
I'm surprised PETA wasn't all over this guys sh*t. The handles are normally made of rhino horn.
John

Toronto, Canada

#32 Jun 27, 2013
Americans are allowed to walk around with loaded guns meant as weapons but a Sikh can't walk around with a harmless, dull blade (which was concealed) that happens to be an article of faith and not intended as a weapon.

We have alot of Sikhs in Canada and they are definately honest and hardworking people. Americans need to get over the 9/11 paranoia and stop grouping all brown people in the same category.
John

Toronto, Canada

#33 Jun 27, 2013
PFfff wrote:
<quoted text>
u know El, one thing ive learned from working at where i am, is once there is a rule set, its best to just not bend it for anybody, because believe me people will use all kinds of excuses why "they" should be allowed to do this or that. lol i see it all the time, its clearly stated No pets - yet time after time i have to write someone a letter because, yep they;ve decided its ok. had a lady who told us that her bird was for her "mental state" - the owners understood and were willing to let her out of her lease, but that wasn't good enough for her (of course not! its the cheapest place around - lol)
once lawyers got involved, letters went round and round, so by then, i thankfully no longer had to be involved with it, but she eventually moved out..
maybe she did have a real need for a bird - but they couldn't change it just for her, and im sure this may be the case here too...
lets face it, theres no way to tell who has evil intent in their minds, no way to look at a person either and tell if it is so.
but by setting a rule that "may" help ward off any problems, well in my view, its not such a bad thing.
in my mind, this guys had his 15 seconds of fame, he was offered his money back, he could have taken it and gone away, but he chose to make this a racial profiling and not everybody is buying into it....
Once a rule is set in place it's best not to bend it? Really? At one point in time there was a rule that black people weren't allowed to take a public bus. At one point in time there was a rule that women were not allowed to vote. At one point in time there was a rule that gays were not allowed to marry.

I'm sure the people that made these rules felt the same way as you and tried to rationalize the reason for the "rule" but they were broken for the better.
John

Toronto, Canada

#34 Jun 27, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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I'm surprised PETA wasn't all over this guys sh*t. The handles are normally made of rhino horn.
There is no rhino horn. It is made of steel and the blades are dull.

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#35 Jun 27, 2013
DC tells it like it is wrote:
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Where are you going with this?
There are no weapons allowed in a movie theater. Period.
Do you not get this?
my point as you put it is that a gun was found in a theater bathroom by a child and the security did not see or stop the person that brought that into the theater.
do we now have to have tsa style security before going to the movies? granted a knife can be decorative, a religious object and a danger but what good is it if you cannot find all people who are obviously carrying weapons into theaters and other places.
it's a false sense of security. give up more freedom and rights to be safe. we will never be safe...

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#36 Jun 27, 2013
John wrote:
Americans are allowed to walk around with loaded guns meant as weapons but a Sikh can't walk around with a harmless, dull blade (which was concealed) that happens to be an article of faith and not intended as a weapon.
We have alot of Sikhs in Canada and they are definately honest and hardworking people. Americans need to get over the 9/11 paranoia and stop grouping all brown people in the same category.
Canadians have an orient fetish , and a Canadian you are not look how you spelled indefinitely.. and you do it all the time no matter what ID you use...

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#37 Jun 27, 2013
Dr Stinko wrote:
A dagger is not a symbol; it's a dagger.
Respect and all for his religion, and his beliefs and all, but I won't see a film while sitting next to some guy carrying a blade...
it's interesting how people feel about religious symbols. a question. how do you think a Christian would take it if told the cross was not a religious symbol and it's just a cross. would they be upset? so his Sikh says according to his religion his dagger is a religious object. who are we to say what people think s a religious object. I personally don't believe in religions myself but that is not the point here. ask yourself when is the last time you have ever heard of a sikh killing someone or injuring someone with a dagger from their religion. I personally don't recall ever hearing such a story but I could also be wrong...

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#39 Jun 27, 2013
what is the problem he had an option..

zero-tolerance policy: MANG. "so I'm going to have to ask you to leave or relinquish your weapon"

should I leave my H/D out side because they have a policy against motorcycles ..

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#40 Jun 27, 2013
tallyho wrote:
wonder how did they know , I never knew they carried dirks....
but as the saying goes how was the solider beheaded on a public street
Sikhs are peaceful people and do not behead anyone. they are not muslims like some people believe

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#41 Jun 27, 2013
centereach ny wrote:
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my point as you put it is that a gun was found in a theater bathroom by a child and the security did not see or stop the person that brought that into the theater.
do we now have to have tsa style security before going to the movies? granted a knife can be decorative, a religious object and a danger but what good is it if you cannot find all people who are obviously carrying weapons into theaters and other places.
it's a false sense of security. give up more freedom and rights to be safe. we will never be safe...
define [Concealed] Pistol Permit as to wearing a religious symbol

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#42 Jun 27, 2013
not quite as paranoid free as you think you are

Canada

In most public places in Canada a kirpan is allowed, although there have been some court cases involving the carrying of the object on school premises.

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#43 Jun 27, 2013
icons don't change your stupidity..
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#44 Jun 27, 2013
There's no such thing as 'zero tolerance policy against weapons' since people can kill anybody with anything.

A well placed attack on a pressure point around the neck is enough to suffocate an adult to death.

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