Are people taking advantage of welfare?

Are people taking advantage of welfare?

Created by realblogger on Dec 4, 2013

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“Cool huh?”

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#81 Dec 7, 2013
Uh Clem wrote:
If those minimum wage people are so woefully underpaid, you'd think they would be motivated to pay attention in school, not drop out, earn higher grades and seek out college scholarships so they would qualify for a higher paying job.
But that DOES entail an awful lot of effort.
It would make perfect sense to do that, certainly, but are the
jobs available when they apply having got the qualifications
necessary. I know that over here so many industries have been
closed down, been transferred to countries where the wages are
lower, so we have zillions of University educated students with
no job prospects. Meanwhile vacancies are being filled by importing other Nationalities.
Grace Nerissa

Dublin, Ireland

#82 Dec 7, 2013
Uh Clem wrote:
If those minimum wage people are so woefully underpaid, you'd think they would be motivated to pay attention in school, not drop out, earn higher grades and seek out college scholarships so they would qualify for a higher paying job.
But that DOES entail an awful lot of effort.
Ah yes,
But.. That kind of wisdom doesn't come to everyone..at the right time.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Chicago, IL

#83 Dec 7, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
It would make perfect sense to do that, certainly, but are the
jobs available when they apply having got the qualifications
necessary. I know that over here so many industries have been
closed down, been transferred to countries where the wages are
lower, so we have zillions of University educated students with
no job prospects. Meanwhile vacancies are being filled by importing other Nationalities.
Based on the number of work visas being issued, yes the jobs ARE there. We have to import people because there aren't enough people here who can do them.

Besides, the government swears it's creating millions of high paying jobs, so they must be there. Period.(Ahem)

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

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Greensburg, IN

#84 Dec 7, 2013
Looking for an argument today Clem?

“The ultimate equality:”

Since: Nov 09

extinction

#85 Dec 7, 2013
Nobody 2 Special wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a sad reality for us "working poor" I make $12 /hr and support my three kids with no help at all except free lunches at school. I try to save as much as I can, however I never seem to get 500 dollars saved before something breaks or someone needs to go to the dr. If you give me a hundred dollars I will be happy to pump it back into the economy. No big sneakers or nails here, I might buy myself a pair of winter boots because I gave mine to my kid who outgrew his old ones. I might squander it by having pizza and pop at home while watching a movie, or I might send it to the dentist to help pay on a bill. But I will put it back in the economy.
I am going to use "you/your" here in the general sense; not you personally. And I'm not discussing the true scumbags and lowlifes.

Sad or no -- that is a reality for many folks. It's your fault according to a particular mindset and philosophy. That mindset also feels entitled to tell you how to live and what your mistakes are/were if you don't meet their expectations and standards, no matter how they attained their lofty status.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Chicago, IL

#86 Dec 7, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Looking for an argument today Clem?
Never have to look for one, they always seem to find me.

“Cool huh?”

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#88 Dec 7, 2013
Uh Clem wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on the number of work visas being issued, yes the jobs ARE there. We have to import people because there aren't enough people here who can do them.
Besides, the government swears it's creating millions of high paying jobs, so they must be there. Period.(Ahem)
The opportunities are there then. And great about the millions
of new jobs being on the agenda!....:) Have to admit that as far
as the more menial jobs are concerned, our lot won't do them, so
they are being snatched up by immigrants who will.

An article in the newspaper this morning shows 104 asylum seekers having been given accommodation in one of the better small hotels just outside Manchester England, normally £125 a night, until more suitable accommodation is found. The hotel has been turned over
to them. Nobody wants to see anybody without a roof, but they are laughing in our faces.

“The ultimate equality:”

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#89 Dec 7, 2013
liam cul8r wrote:
Isn't it true that we all wish we could make more money at our jobs? This thread has gotten side tracked from welfare getting taken advantage of to whether or not you deserve to make what you make at the job you do. While certain jobs pay higher wages than others that's no reason to run people down for what they do and for them wanting more money to do it. This attitude of wanting more will essentially lead folks to move on to a more prosperous career if it is possible for them to do so. How ever they may be in a position where it's not possible for them to do so. Regardless whether their working in Mcdonalds or their a doctor they are not the folks trying to take advantage of the welfare system if they are in fact working to try an get by.
The low life's who sit back and are willing for their family to do without so they can prove to the gov. that they aren't able to work when they are in fact capable but just want a free hand out, and believe me I see it in my little town a lot, are the ones who are guilty here.
So let's try to stick to the subject instead of running people down who have to flip burgers and wait on the ungrateful public every day. So they want more money, well so do I.
Liam, that's a fair and balanced as well as thoughtful post.

I thought that workfare laws were repealed. And surely, some folk on welfare also make money by nefarious and under-the-table means. And don't business/corporations get subsidies, engage in nefarious and under-the-table practices? Don't individuals and businesses cheat on their taxes?

In a sense, not much of a sidetrack here. In minds of many folk, food stamps is welfare. There are scads of part-time workers and low-paid full-time workers (and that includes lower ranking police, firemen, and definitely military).

Note these choices in this poll:
How many ways?
Personal experiences
Remain ominous!

With a certain mindset and philosophy that we would be better off back in the Coolidge/Hoover era, how could this thread not go where it has gone?

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Chicago, IL

#90 Dec 7, 2013
The problem here is, the guy saying he's creating millions of new jobs is being caught in lies almost daily now.
BA Econ 2007

Oceanside, CA

#92 Dec 7, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Well, that aspect of the American dream has been exported! Since the 80's here, when Reagan was president, illegals have been coming here to work the jobs that can't be shipped overseas.
It's pure greed. The corporations quickly figured they could further drive down wages by destroying Unions. As you can read here, our most ardent 'patriots' support this because they are certain this won't effect their pay- just *their* pay. You know-*those people*. The ones that aren't *us*. Because they wouldn't do that to US! They like US. US are 'muricans!
Just FYI foreign workers do not need to come to the US to Take US jobs. As the economy globalizes wages will regress to the mean, we will be competing with the lowest wage countries no matter what.

So then the question is what can we do to preserve and or raise living standards for the working classes?

Wage increases?
Income redistribution by means of social programs?
Increasing Marginal retail product (skill sets) of domestic workforce?(German model)

That is the larger question. Welfare as it is being discussed here is a small part of the Federal budget.

I find this discussion interesting on this and other forums because I suspect the disgust with welfare is really the feeling that "someone is getting my stuff".

On a personal note I have a roof over my head, autos at my disposal, a little saved for a rainy day and even less in the vacay fund. I am by no means affluent, solidly middle class, I can't in good conscience vilify those who legitimately need help and who do not abuse the system; that would describe the vast majority of recipients.
BA Econ 2007

Oceanside, CA

#95 Dec 7, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>Well that doesn't bode well for the world......
No it does not. But historically it is the norm :(

It may sound hard hearted but you can't bounce up until you hit bottom. We are already seeing wage strikes in China.

The garment trade is moving to Bangladesh and Pakistan. Sooner or later they are going to run out of low wage countries.

The ride for all involved is going to be rough.

So do we leave the least powerful (and often hardest working folks) to the caprices of the marketplace?

Or do we try to help?

The Latter now being a Moral and Political question rather than an Economic one.
Huge Ravens Fan

Portland, OR

#96 Dec 7, 2013
Uh Clem wrote:
Nobody is underpaid. Some are under skilled They earn minimum wages, for minimum skills.
Simplistic view. Good try. Youre 60+ in age im guessing? Out of touch with reality? Though college does increase your skill set it doesnt necessarily translate into riches. Coversely, a lack of college education doest guarantee a meager existence either. I remember in my day, an entry level position for a college educated guy was roughly $45,000 with loads of upward mobility available. The lords of corporateship have systematically been able in many cases, to have tenured managers fighting over $45 G/year now. When a guy out of college has to fight for $15/hour wage, which is now projected by many as a true representation what minimum should be, at what point does your current idea of "minimum wage" need reworked?

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Chicago, IL

#98 Dec 7, 2013
Huge Ravens Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Simplistic view. Good try. Youre 60+ in age im guessing? Out of touch with reality? Though college does increase your skill set it doesnt necessarily translate into riches. Coversely, a lack of college education doest guarantee a meager existence either. I remember in my day, an entry level position for a college educated guy was roughly $45,000 with loads of upward mobility available. The lords of corporateship have systematically been able in many cases, to have tenured managers fighting over $45 G/year now. When a guy out of college has to fight for $15/hour wage, which is now projected by many as a true representation what minimum should be, at what point does your current idea of "minimum wage" need reworked?
Did I say riches? I think I said something about minimum wage. And no, it doesn't need to be reworked.

1. Minimum wage is not a career path.

2. A degree is not a guarantee a person has any useful skills, other than knowing how to pass a test. There has to be something behind that diploma to back it up: Common sense, creativity, ability to address prospective employers in a way that impresses, ability to forego the 'hotshot' mentality that employers DO see right through instantly.

3. Choosing the right degree program. Liberal Arts doesn't cut it.

4. Neither does choosing one because it ought to be more lucrative than another.

5. Passion for the field one plans to enter.(See #4)

6. Too many people think they are too good for a lesser paying job they can work up the ladder from.

7. And it doesn't have to be a BS, MS or PhD. Technical schools train people for skills that far exceed minimum wage. But being a plumber or diesel engine mechanic IS hard work and isn't as glamorous as IT Director or Stock Broker.

8. It's easy to blame lords of corporateship, isn't it? Makes a body feel good, perhaps. Doesn't help one bit, though. The Liberal's fantasy world of 'it's somebody elses fault' doesn't solve anything. It's the mark of a loser. A winner figures out where they need to get to to succeed and then fights to get there.
Too Bad

Dayton, OH

#99 Dec 7, 2013
A B.S. in BS isn't worth very much in today's world. That's why The Ferret and his sidekick Geno live in basements and are recipients of public assistance.

Plus, neither one seems to posses a great degree of intelligence, not to mention the "drive" to better their situations, which is indeed true of the majority of DNC supporters.
Huge Ravens Fan

Portland, OR

#102 Dec 7, 2013
Too Bad wrote:
A B.S. in BS isn't worth very much in today's world. That's why The Ferret and his sidekick Geno live in basements and are recipients of public assistance.
Plus, neither one seems to posses a great degree of intelligence, not to mention the "drive" to better their situations, which is indeed true of the majority of DNC supporters.
Too funny! I spend more on the DirectTv sports pack than you make in a month doc. Pfffft cowardly gray box! Lol
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#103 Dec 7, 2013
It's a crying shame that people take advantage of the system!

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#104 Dec 7, 2013
Are people taking advantage of welfare
*=* Actually it's the government taking advantage of them *=*
Depriving people of what dignity and humanity they have left.
It's an Obama decision for humileation that he is intend on destroying or nation.

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#105 Dec 7, 2013
our not or
spell check wouldn't catch that one!
Huge Ravens Fan

Portland, OR

#106 Dec 7, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Are people taking advantage of welfare
*=* Actually it's the government taking advantage of them *=*
Depriving people of what dignity and humanity they have left.
It's an Obama decision for humileation that he is intend on destroying or nation.
No, there are people that willfully take advantage of welfare goodies, that IS a fact. The problem is the Topix morons that want to stop it altogether which would affect those that truly need it.

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#107 Dec 7, 2013
I explained all of this weren't you listening?

Census Bureau: Welfare Recipients Now Outnumber Full-Time Workers…
Work harder everyone, millions of Obamabots are depending on you.

Americans who were recipients of means-tested government benefits in 2011 outnumbered year-round full-time workers, according to data released this month by the Census Bureau.
They also out-numbered the total population of the Philippines.

There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

That means there were about 1.07 people getting some form of means-tested government benefit for every 1 person working full-time year round.

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