Are people taking advantage of welfare?

Created by realblogger on Dec 4, 2013

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#29 Dec 5, 2013
The welfare system is suppose to be for people who need help and it's sad that folks have manipulated it so bad that the folks who need it can't get it and the scum that don't need it do get it.

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#30 Dec 5, 2013
liam cul8r wrote:
The welfare system is suppose to be for people who need help and it's sad that folks have manipulated it so bad that the folks who need it can't get it and the scum that don't need it do get it.
Too true.

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#31 Dec 5, 2013
ShadyBits wrote:
Another thought.... McDonalds is a job for beginners and not meant to be a career.
Another thought.... welfare pays too good for most people who are on it to want to get off it. I can't tell you how many times I've heard my sister in law say if I get a job then I'll lose my foodstamps, they'll cut my check, etc... never mind trying to pay your own way. That's for people with pride and morals.
"McDonalds is a job for beginners and not meant to be a career."

That's not a very complete thought, is it? Kind of class-based too, isn't it?

"Burger flippers" is what you meant, is it? Yeah, there are high-school kids, and college kids, but older folks who want to supplement retirement and/or have something to do that fill many job openings.

And then there are those who have to have, or want to have A JOB -- and they are possible career staff. Where do you think managers and asst. managers come from?

McDonalds has a career path for their employees, you know. As does Walmart, and other fast-food and big-box enterprises.

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#32 Dec 5, 2013
Uh Clem wrote:
There has never been a program run by the government that was not overrun by corruption or waste.
yeah, that's a "fact" from Klown Kollege.

And this is a "truth" too: No private small business or corporation has been known to be wasteful, or practice fraud, and/or be steeped in corruption.
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The best statement you or I could make is something like this: As long as humans are in business or government, there is a high probability for waste, fraud, and corruption.

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#33 Dec 5, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah, that's a "fact" from Klown Kollege.
And this is a "truth" too: No private small business or corporation has been known to be wasteful, or practice fraud, and/or be steeped in corruption.
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The best statement you or I could make is something like this: As long as humans are in business or government, there is a high probability for waste, fraud, and corruption.
But there's no doubt the waste, fraud and corruption is orders of magnitude greater from the 'close enough for government work' crowd.

But that's all diversionary. I stand by my statement. There's never been a government program that was not mired in waste and fraud. Even for something as seemingly low end like cheese. And all the way up to $1000 hammers and million dollar toilets.

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#34 Dec 5, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
"McDonalds is a job for beginners and not meant to be a career."
That's not a very complete thought, is it? Kind of class-based too, isn't it?
"Burger flippers" is what you meant, is it? Yeah, there are high-school kids, and college kids, but older folks who want to supplement retirement and/or have something to do that fill many job openings.
And then there are those who have to have, or want to have A JOB -- and they are possible career staff. Where do you think managers and asst. managers come from?
McDonalds has a career path for their employees, you know. As does Walmart, and other fast-food and big-box enterprises.
Nope. Can't say it's class based. I had my own son apply there but he is a musician and prefers playing events. My opinion is fast food places are for those who are "new" to the "real" work world but and are seeking real world experience. It's not meant to be a permanent thing.

And frankly, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm not too proud to flip a burger if it means providing for my family.
Juan

Vero Beach, FL

#35 Dec 5, 2013
My girlfriend has two children who were born in the U. S. and are citizens. She gets SNAP for the children and Section 8 for housing help. The local Catholic Church helps her when she needs the extra help. She has a free cell phone but only gets 300 minutes a month. I try to help her when I can.

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#36 Dec 5, 2013
Can ya Blame them?? Jobs are scarce...!!

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#37 Dec 5, 2013
ShadyBits wrote:
Wallstreet Journal:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/08/19/wor...
Lets see, the top number is average welfare benefit (food, housing insurance, etc) and the bottom number is an "equivalent pretax wage".
In my state welfare recipients average $10,000 more a year than I earn yet I still get by without collecting. You think someone getting an average of $40,000 year free is going to give that up?
State
Total Potential Welfare Benefit
Equivalent Pretax Wage
Alabama
$26,638
$23,310
Alaska
$29,275
$26,400
Arizona
$21,364
$15,320
Arkansas
$17,423
$12,230
California
$35,287
$37,160
Colorado
$20,750
$14,750
Connecticut
$38,761
$44,370
Delaware
$30,375
$29,220
Dist. of Columbia
$43,099
$50,820
Florida
$18,121
$12,600
Georgia
$19,797
$14,060
Hawaii
$49,175
$60,590
Idaho
$17,766
$11,150
Illinois
$19,442
$13,580
Indiana
$26,891
$22,900
Iowa
$20,101
$14,200
Kansas
$29,396
$26,490
Kentucky
$18,763
$13,350
Louisiana
$26,538
$22,250
Maine
$19,871
$13,920
Maryland
$35,672
$38,160
Massachusetts
$42,515
$50,540
Michigan
$28,872
$26,430
Minnesota
$31,603
$29,350
Mississippi
$16,984
$11,830
Missouri
$26,837
$22,800
Montana
$29,123
$26,930
Nebraska
$20,798
$14,420
Nevada
$31,409
$29,820
New Hampshire
$37,160
$39,750
New Jersey
$38,728
$43,450
New Mexico
$30,435
$27,900
New York
$38,004
$43,700
North Carolina
$28,142
$25,760
North Dakota
$30,681
$28,830
Ohio
$28,723
$26,200
Oklahoma
$26,784
$22,480
Oregon
$31,674
$34,300
Pennsylvania
$29,817
$28,670
Rhode Island
$38,632
$43,330
South Carolina
$26,536
$21,910
South Dakota
$29,439
$26,610
Tennessee
$17,413
$12,120
Texas
$18,037
$12,550
Utah
$19,612
$13,950
Vermont
$37,705
$42,350
Virginia
$20,884
$14,870
Washington
$30,816
$28,840
West Virginia
$27,727
$24,900
Wisconsin
$21,483
$14,890
Wyoming
$33,119
$32,620
Source: Cato Institute
I think this is the link to the Cato Institute source:

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/...

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#38 Dec 6, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
"McDonalds is a job for beginners and not meant to be a career."
That's not a very complete thought, is it? Kind of class-based too, isn't it?
"Burger flippers" is what you meant, is it? Yeah, there are high-school kids, and college kids, but older folks who want to supplement retirement and/or have something to do that fill many job openings.
And then there are those who have to have, or want to have A JOB -- and they are possible career staff. Where do you think managers and asst. managers come from?
McDonalds has a career path for their employees, you know. As does Walmart, and other fast-food and big-box enterprises.
you said that so nicely I copied & pasted it to make a comment in my home town, hope you understand.

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#40 Dec 6, 2013
I would think some might be!
Hoosier Hillbilly

North Manchester, IN

#41 Dec 6, 2013
A thought wrote:
<quoted text>Even worse, the largest employer in America- Walmart- uses welfare to supplement employee pay!
Imagine how a simple act like raising the minimum wage to a rate current with the cost of living today could easily cut welfare in half!
Why are people so willing to use their tax dollars to supplement Walmart, McDonald's, etc, payrolls?
Very good points A thought, why would a president not recognize this the same as you and I do?
Are all blacks that much out of touch with the 'real world'?
You can bet your bibbies they are!
They're getting the "omamafreebes"!

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#42 Dec 6, 2013
liam cul8r wrote:
<quoted text>you said that so nicely I copied & pasted it to make a comment in my home town, hope you understand.
Thanks Liam .. and for the heads-up.

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#43 Dec 6, 2013
A question wrote:
<quoted text>So, if the minimum was $15 an hour and that could get MILLIONS of people off welfare, would you accept $15 an hour?
I support my family on less than that. For $15.00/hour I'll quit my job and work for McDonalds. Fudge my "college education". I'll tell my kids drop out of school. There's no point in paying for a "fancy" education when you can just be an uneducated idiot and earn $15.00/hr. After all they're "entitled".
NEVER

Mount Vernon, OH

#44 Dec 6, 2013
ShadyBits wrote:
<quoted text>I support my family on less than that. For $15.00/hour I'll quit my job and work for McDonalds. Fudge my "college education". I'll tell my kids drop out of school. There's no point in paying for a "fancy" education when you can just be an uneducated idiot and earn $15.00/hr. After all they're "entitled".
NEVER "argue" with idiots, such as Ferryman, because:

1. You degrade yourself when your stoop to their...um..."logic" .

2. Even if you "win" the argument, they'll just conveniently change the subject on you.

3. Dogs can be house broken. Idiots can't be.

4. Even if idiots could be housebroken, they lack any other marketable skills.

5. There seems to be an unequal number of idiots from the Chicago area, per capita, among the US top cities. Go figure.

6. You might make them cry. And we can't have that, what with the ACLU and all.

7. They blow their noses with paper towels.

8. Did I reemphasize # 1 yet????

9. they're reMARXably S_____L____O___W in the "grasping" department.

10. Re-emphasis on # 1 and 3.
60s chic

Bethlehem, PA

#45 Dec 6, 2013
ShadyBits wrote:
<quoted text>I support my family on less than that. For $15.00/hour I'll quit my job and work for McDonalds. Fudge my "college education". I'll tell my kids drop out of school. There's no point in paying for a "fancy" education when you can just be an uneducated idiot and earn $15.00/hr. After all they're "entitled".
Lol.$15 an hour is not anywhere near entitling someone. It's about be able to meet the cost of living. It would actually get and keep many people off of welfare and give them some incentive. As it stands now, many feel hopeless and are losing hope that anything will ever change for them. I can understand why certain businesses, factories, etc. who employ many minimum wage people would be against the minimum wage hike, because it's obviously more taken out of their own pockets. Just the same, too many people are struggling to meet the increasing cost of living. It's hard enough on the middle class, yet alone the working poor. There are no doubt some who have gotten away with taking advantage of the system and welfare, but the majority are working and still can't keep up with the increasing cost of food, rent and other living expenses so they need the extra help. I'm grateful I'm not in that boat, but I can't help but feel for those who are.
A nutless observer

Mount Vernon, OH

#47 Dec 6, 2013
It's not hard.
THE Question

Mount Vernon, OH

#48 Dec 6, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>
So, wouldn't YOU then like to be paid $15 an hour?
It's not a hard question.
Do YOU even know what it's like to WORK? Not talking about "blogging" here.

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#49 Dec 6, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize that the minimum wage does not solely apply to McDonald's, right? Wait- what school did you go to?
Whatever it is you do, there are college educated people working a McDonalds (in non-management positions) as well as at other jobs, for minimum wage. They too are underpaid. YOU might be under paid.
So, wouldn't YOU then like to be paid $15 an hour?
It's not a hard question.
You seem to have a hard time grasping my answer. I'll quit my job and work at McDonald's for $15.00 an hour. It's stated in my post. It's not hard to understand. For someone who calls themselves an observer you're not that observant.(I don't wanna sound mean... but seriously....)
60s chic

Bethlehem, PA

#52 Dec 6, 2013
A noted observer wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize that the minimum wage does not solely apply to McDonald's, right? Wait- what school did you go to?
Whatever it is you do, there are college educated people working a McDonalds (in non-management positions) as well as at other jobs, for minimum wage. They too are underpaid. YOU might be under paid.
So, wouldn't YOU then like to be paid $15 an hour?
It's not a hard question.
I agree. There are so many college grads and more graduating every year. Not enough high paying jobs to go around for so many with degrees. The cost of living continues to rise. I can't believe my food bill each week. Property taxes are going up again, including water, electric, etc. It seems I'm paying so much more for the same amount of groceries I was getting 6 months before. I can't imagine what it must be like for a college grad trying to further his/her education, work and struggle to pay bills and rent at the same time, all on a minimum wage that they can't possibly afford to keep up with. Some college grads are lucky and have parents and family that can help out and/or give them a place to stay until they can afford to be on their own again, but there are many who don't have that luxury. Not too long ago I've heard and read items about the rich getting richer and the poor becoming poorer, with no middle class. That's where this country was suppose to be heading. Seems like that it is already beginning to happen. I hope not. I hope I'm just having a pessimistic moment.

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