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<quoted text>Trayvon belonged there, Trayvon wasn't burglarizing, and the Police were not there "though they were called 402 times to the subdivision"
I don't see how what you say constitutes taking the law in your own hands, stopping a perfectly innocent lad from proceeding home and ultimately killing him.
I believe Zimmerman himself had made 47 calls to the police, none resulting in arrests. Cops prioritize calls. When some jackleg, mall security wannabe keeps bothering them crying "wolf" they are apt to NOT break speed records to answer yet another, "nothing" call. And, Zimmerman, tired of being a nuisance himself, decided to confront and kill the demon inside him.
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Show me where in the Stand Your Ground law where it says it CAN'T be applied to men who kill 17 year old white girls.

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So why was "the 911 Op told him to stand down but he did his thang anyway" even an issue that's been talked about on these very threads?
Are you saying Trayvon sought out Zimmerman? Spin it!
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Trial evidence and eye witness testimony proved it.....

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Yeah but wrote:
<quoted text>Trayvon belonged there, Trayvon wasn't burglarizing, and the Police were not there "though they were called 402 times to the subdivision"
I don't see how what you say constitutes taking the law in your own hands, stopping a perfectly innocent lad from proceeding home and ultimately killing him.
The community set up neighborhood watch and put Zimmerman in charge...thats not taking the law into your own hands, thats being elected by your neighbors to spot and report suspicious activity. With that being said, whether Trayvon had the right to be there or whether Zimmerman had the right to take the law into his own hands doesnt matter. Zimmerman was doing what everyone else in the neighborhood had asked him to do by observing behavior he thought to be suspicious. There was physical evidence that backed up Zimmermans testimony of assault and the fact is he had a permit for the firearm...The real issue is, out of the only two witnesses to this incident only one is alive. According to the law you cannot convict someone on what you believe to be true. There has to be evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt.

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Kathlene wrote:
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(Washington, DC)— Dan Gross, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence called the verdict,“part of a tragic event that could have easily been prevented.”
Gross said,“There is sharp disagreement over the verdict, but there can be no disagreement over the reason why Trayvon Martin is dead. George Zimmerman had a gun that night, and the state of Florida allowed him to carry it virtually anywhere despite a violent history. Virtually anybody roaming our neighborhoods with hidden handguns is the gun lobby's vision, but it is not the vision of the rest of the American public, truly committed to safer communities. We will work as long, and as hard as it takes to prevent more tragedies like Trayvon Martin's. We recognize, at the end of the day, this is an enormous tragedy and a young man lost his life. Our sympathies continue to go out to Trayvon’s family.”
The Brady Campaign has been one of the leaders in fighting against “Stand Your Ground” or so called,“shoot first” laws like the one in Florida. As evidenced by the tragic shooting of Trayvon Martin, these laws have deadly consequences. They promote a dangerous mentality and misperception about weapons, by overemphasizing their value in self-defense relative to the other dangers that they pose.
In the end, George Zimmerman's mentality, and what emboldened him to approach Trayvon, may be debatable. What is not debatable, though, is the fact that Trayvon Martin is dead because Zimmerman had a gun. Zimmerman was given a concealed carry permit by the state of Florida despite an arrest record and a history of violence, as a direct result of the influence of the gun lobby, and if it weren’t for that, this tragedy never would have happened.
The Brady Center, the legal arm of the Brady Campaign, has been at the forefront in fighting concealed weapons laws. They recently filed an amicus brief along with the parents of Trayvon Martin, asking the entire United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals to review and reverse a 2-1 decision that held Illinois law restricting the public carrying of firearms unconstitutional.
“Allowing deadly semi-automatic weapons on the streets does not make a community safer. By arguing for a broad constitutional right to carry hidden handguns, the gun lobby wants to deprive law enforcement of the tools it needs to keep guns off the streets. The American people should be allowed to decide whether they want people like George Zimmerman carrying loaded guns in public places where their children walk home,” said Brady Center Legal Action Project Director Jonathan Lowy.“Most courts have properly recognized that reasonable public safety laws do not infringe on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. Courts should listen to the parents of Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis, who lost their sons to people whose states entitled them to carry guns in public.”
Zimmermans violent history is 7 years ago when his ex-wife and him filed restraining orders against each other because of claimed domestic violence that was never proven...beautiful spin to that one to promote anti-gun propaganda...I don't believe we need assault rifles but people do need to be armed. So lets say hypothetically Zimmerman doesn't have a gun that night. He basically gets bludgeoned to death by a teen whos given past record is on pace to become a career criminal and the guy elected to be neighborhood watch lay there slowly passing in his own pool of blood. What a distorted world you must want to live in.

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Yeah but wrote:
So why was "the 911 Op told him to stand down but he did his thang anyway" even an issue that's been talked about on these very threads?
Are you saying Trayvon sought out Zimmerman? Spin it!
LOL!
Have you and Ferret ever played "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader"? Save yourselves the embarrasment, and don't!

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LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>yeah
shoot and run
Hardly a new behavior in the hood.

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Interesting wrote:
<quoted text>I believe Zimmerman himself had made 47 calls to the police, none resulting in arrests. Cops prioritize calls. When some jackleg, mall security wannabe keeps bothering them crying "wolf" they are apt to NOT break speed records to answer yet another, "nothing" call. And, Zimmerman, tired of being a nuisance himself, decided to confront and kill the demon inside him.
Not true...you should probably do a little more research on the subject. We had a home in my neighborhood as a child burglarized and the womans husband working nights when it happened. The intruder took the gun from her and shot her. She lived but a neighborhood watch was set up because of it. At no point would I refer to the people trying to protect my neighborhood and their neighbors as wannabe mall security. That's disrespectful to genuinely concerned citizens. Zimmerman could have just as easily lost his life that night thinking he was protecting his neighbors.

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Sweetie Pie...please quit sending me PMs...anything you have to say you can say out here in the open like a big boy.

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So-called "Stand Your Ground", Castle Doctrine laws are a POS. They encourage a surviving armed shooter to lie to save his sorry azz after the fact and say he was in fear for his life, after he's conveniently executed the only other eye witness on the scene.

Faced with the choices of telling the truth and going to prision, or lying through his teeth and swearing he "feared for his life" and going free, I'd guess 98-99% of these scared little guys will lie. The only fans of this law are the executioners and the NRA.

These laws also rely way too heavily on the state of mind of the shooter. Yes, he was fearful for his life! He was so fearful, insecure and scared of some faceless, nameless boogie man that he already felt he needed to carry! So it's a given: CCW guy will rely on these laws to shoot first and lie about why later.

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You said it wrote:
<quoted text>"spot and report". Had George let it stand at that this would all be moot.
Um, it IS a moot point. Not guilty.

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Chilli J wrote:
So-called "Stand Your Ground", Castle Doctrine laws are a POS. They encourage a surviving armed shooter to lie to save his sorry azz after the fact and say he was in fear for his life, after he's conveniently executed the only other eye witness on the scene.
Faced with the choices of telling the truth and going to prision, or lying through his teeth and swearing he "feared for his life" and going free, I'd guess 98-99% of these scared little guys will lie. The only fans of this law are the executioners and the NRA.
These laws also rely way too heavily on the state of mind of the shooter. Yes, he was fearful for his life! He was so fearful, insecure and scared of some faceless, nameless boogie man that he already felt he needed to carry! So it's a given: CCW guy will rely on these laws to shoot first and lie about why later.
Chilli J...He wasn't carrying for this purpose. He was carrying because someone in the neighborhood had a pitbull that kept getting loose and terrorizing all of the neighbors...same pitbull had cornered Zimmermans spouse on 4 occasions. Because of this or fear the dog might actually attack a kid at some point law enforcement told him he should get a gun. Im sure after a shooting in the neighborhood and given the theft and burglaries carrying a weapon was probably needed.

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-_Yernogood- wrote:
Hahhahha..this Zimmerman creep is as guilty as satan. He went out looking trouble, found it murdered and got away with it. One thug killing another thug. Big deal.
Court says otherwise.

Holy chit, YNG, long time no see.

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Chilli J wrote:
So-called "Stand Your Ground", Castle Doctrine laws are a POS. They encourage a surviving armed shooter to lie to save his sorry azz after the fact and say he was in fear for his life, after he's conveniently executed the only other eye witness on the scene.
Faced with the choices of telling the truth and going to prision, or lying through his teeth and swearing he "feared for his life" and going free, I'd guess 98-99% of these scared little guys will lie. The only fans of this law are the executioners and the NRA.
These laws also rely way too heavily on the state of mind of the shooter. Yes, he was fearful for his life! He was so fearful, insecure and scared of some faceless, nameless boogie man that he already felt he needed to carry! So it's a given: CCW guy will rely on these laws to shoot first and lie about why later.
Looks like the only non-fans of this law are those that have something to be leery of.
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Chilli J wrote:
So-called "Stand Your Ground", Castle Doctrine laws are a POS. They encourage a surviving armed shooter to lie to save his sorry azz after the fact and say he was in fear for his life, after he's conveniently executed the only other eye witness on the scene.
Faced with the choices of telling the truth and going to prision, or lying through his teeth and swearing he "feared for his life" and going free, I'd guess 98-99% of these scared little guys will lie. The only fans of this law are the executioners and the NRA.
These laws also rely way too heavily on the state of mind of the shooter. Yes, he was fearful for his life! He was so fearful, insecure and scared of some faceless, nameless boogie man that he already felt he needed to carry! So it's a given: CCW guy will rely on these laws to shoot first and lie about why later.
Americans have ALWAYS had the right to defend their lives. All SYG does is expedite the process with the most perfunctory of *investigation*. If the survivor is able to answer the question: "Did you fear for your life?" in the affirmative, he is free to go with no further legal impediments of his life.

I'm sure that Dave and that other fake democrat, Blue guy, would be every bit as thrilled if Zimmerman had shot and killed a white child- of either gender- or even from their own family under the exact, same circumstances. Though the law was written by ALEC and the NRA, it IS the law and we must support the law no matter how stupid it is. Fave would run like a screaming like a schoolgirl and Go Blue would find a better gear on his Little rascal like good citizens if someone stalked them.

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Chilli J wrote:
So-called "Stand Your Ground", Castle Doctrine laws are a POS. They encourage a surviving armed shooter to lie to save his sorry azz after the fact and say he was in fear for his life, after he's conveniently executed the only other eye witness on the scene.
Faced with the choices of telling the truth and going to prision, or lying through his teeth and swearing he "feared for his life" and going free, I'd guess 98-99% of these scared little guys will lie. The only fans of this law are the executioners and the NRA.
These laws also rely way too heavily on the state of mind of the shooter. Yes, he was fearful for his life! He was so fearful, insecure and scared of some faceless, nameless boogie man that he already felt he needed to carry! So it's a given: CCW guy will rely on these laws to shoot first and lie about why later.
Don't you think they would also, by your logic, then encourage others to be a bit nicer and civilized in their deportment so the other person doesn't become fearful of their life in the first place?

But to repeat for the umpteenth time, this case was not about Stand Your Ground. It was about being battered and bloody and fighting back.

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"Live by the gun - die by the gun."

Zimmerman hasn't seen the last of gun violence yet.
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DaveMC wrote:
Sweetie Pie...please quit sending me PMs...anything you have to say you can say out here in the open like a big boy.
Thanks but no thanks, Davey Boy.

Clearly, I am no match for your level of ignorance.

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DaveMC wrote:
<quoted text>Chilli J...He wasn't carrying for this purpose. He was carrying because someone in the neighborhood had a pitbull that kept getting loose and terrorizing all of the neighbors...same pitbull had cornered Zimmermans spouse on 4 occasions. Because of this or fear the dog might actually attack a kid at some point law enforcement told him he should get a gun. Im sure after a shooting in the neighborhood and given the theft and burglaries carrying a weapon was probably needed.
We've heard why GW now says he was carrying. Was that actually why he was carrying? We'll never know! I don't really care why he was carrying!

We'll also never know who started this incident that night. We only know GW says TM started it. What we do know is that this was 100% avoidable!

All we have comes from the extremely biased shooter. "Self defense" laws highly motivate shooters to fabricate convenient "facts" after shootings.

Firearm extremists who argue they don't are lying to themselves, or to us! Which is it? Are they delusional or liars? Only they know for sure!

The verdict eneded this sad incident. But by all means, all firearm extremists should post your customary lame homophobic, non-responsive replies!

Our current firearm Regs don't work! Here's hoping the next firearm execution and/or Sandy Hook murders of innocents don't involve you or yours!

You have a good one!
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Had George Zimmerman not been carrying that night, he would have suffered having to take that walk of shame after getting beat up by a kid.

THE HORROR!

Now he is a hero to cowards all over the country.

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