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“near Halloween.”

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Since: Dec 06

#1 Jan 10, 2008
I think there is a place here for a thread such as this .
as .. many subjects are of a sensitive or controversial nature..
When they are put into the 'mainstream' they might prove
thought provoking .. or even verging on 'offensive', matters some folks do not wish to become involved in ... as is their right .. but .. in the event
of such a thread .. it benefits both sides of the divide .. ie> (1) >folks who feel a need to speak 'of'(and)'on' controversial subjects.. have a choice to do so here .. whilst ..
equally (2)> others have the choice to ignore it's content.. thus avoiding tis
thread.. altogether..

None-the-less, these subject are ALL part of the 'human condition' as we know it.. therefore not to be neglected..

First question, >> should gay folks feel it necessary to tell their closes family members ' parents' and close friends... of their particular 'sexual orientation .. or ..

should it matter..and remain personal..only to 'them'

Vee

“Man Of Every Hour”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#2 Jan 10, 2008
Individual choice. They know families responses are one of denial, refusal to accept, or "I knew this before you did." Sometimes you have moms taking it harder then dads, then visa versa, siblings seem to deal with it better. I think if they want to tell, then do so and accept their response, whether it is negative or positive, they are not going to change. Not telling is not going to change them either, but will they feel better letting people know? Each person is different. Remember this, too, even if you are NOT gay, and you tell your family you like someone, you still get criticised for your choice because no one is ever good enough. Remember the song, Louie Louie? "Makes no difference........"

Since: Oct 07

United States

#3 Jan 10, 2008
It's not the fact to say to your family what "side" you are who matter as long that you are ok and in peace with yourself about your sexual preferences.
Some family cannot handle that subject, I think it's up to you to say something. My Mom used to say : All the thruth are not good to be said...
If my sister was telling me sh's gay, I won't love her less because that, unless her name is Rosie O'Donnell !! Cannot stand the woman !

Vee

“Man Of Every Hour”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#4 Jan 10, 2008
BRIGITTE wrote:
It's not the fact to say to your family what "side" you are who matter as long that you are ok and in peace with yourself about your sexual preferences.
Some family cannot handle that subject, I think it's up to you to say something. My Mom used to say : All the thruth are not good to be said...
If my sister was telling me sh's gay, I won't love her less because that, unless her name is Rosie O'Donnell !! Cannot stand the woman !
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I will always be thankful and greatful to Rosie Odonnell for answering my request to invite someone on her show that I asked her to. She was the only talk show host that I contacted that did this and she did this immediately, I did not have to wait months. Sometimes I think that she is so opinionated to the point that it leaves a negative impact on a lot of people because she forgets where she needs to chop sentences and curtail the excess but freedom of expression means just that and although she has said things that really need further evaluation on a personal level,(Doctor Phil, perhaps) I think she forgets sometimes that even though you have the microphone, certain things really is best to NOT voice publically, however, from my own stand point, I still am in her dent for doing something for me that no one else would do.

Since: Oct 07

United States

#5 Jan 10, 2008
Well ! I like Ellen better...
I don't hate Rosie as much as I pretend, but sometimes she's obnoxious ! I understand your point, but if she didnt have done something you will think as I do !!
In a way, she's a little like Ellen, they are very sensitive and very opiniated. They take things too much too heart and opened their mouth too fast...like me !!
Ok, enough for me I spend already too much time in front this machine..! time to take my Christmas tree down ! Yes ! I know !

Vee

“Man Of Every Hour”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#6 Jan 10, 2008
BRIGITTE wrote:
Well ! I like Ellen better...
I don't hate Rosie as much as I pretend, but sometimes she's obnoxious ! I understand your point, but if she didnt have done something you will think as I do !!
In a way, she's a little like Ellen, they are very sensitive and very opiniated. They take things too much too heart and opened their mouth too fast...like me !!
Ok, enough for me I spend already too much time in front this machine..! time to take my Christmas tree down ! Yes ! I know !
I think my opinion would be the same about her, and Ellen (who did nothing for me when I wrote and asked) I liked her anyway until she played her little "give away" game with the dog SHE adopted. Her heart was in the right place when she gave the puppy away, but she still needed to follow the rules and that was why the dog was removed as she broke the rules. This was not her "first" adoption puppy give away and using her image to exploit the situation on her television show was a cheap shot. If she had invited the person on her show like I asked her to do? I would be greatful, but my opinion would still be the same. I still think she is great, but her methods were not.

“near Halloween.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

#7 Jan 10, 2008
Thanks Vee, interesting you should pose the question 'will they feel better letting their
family members know' Until I got to know a young man very closely, I hadn't previously
realised the heartache and turmoil that a homosexual can go through.
It seems very important to be able to tell the family and those closest, the need to
feel accepted .. WE know there is no need to feel like this .. but .. but as Brigitte wisely said,'some families cannot handle the subject'
It is true they won't be any less loved by the family because your child
is your child, always...That's how I would see it,anyway.

Since: Sep 07

Coxsackie, NY

#8 Jan 10, 2008
My six year old daughter will never have to worry about it. She's boy crazy, but she spent a few months asking me questions. "Is it okay for boys to kiss boys? Girls to kiss girls? Can girls marry girls?" etc. Back when she was five. Natural curiosity, but it got intense. I just answered her questions openly and honestly as possible and appropriate for her age and understanding.I have a lot of gay friends and immediately started to write them about it. I know the heartbreak and isolation from family they went through, and asked for their insights on it. See I don't care if she's gay. I don't care if she cleans ditches for a living. I want her to be HAPPY. I want her to be HER. I can't imagine a parent being any other way with their child or feeling different. I love her with my whole heart. I will never understand humans. The world being what it is...tell them if it is something you NEED to do if you think they won't accept it well. Otherwise, tell them and be happy, and they'll be happy too.

Since: Sep 07

Coxsackie, NY

#9 Jan 10, 2008
Oh, and if my daughter does turn out to be gay? I am honored to have so many special friends that will help her, love her and accept her as I do, both gay and straight.

BUT-if my neighbor's dog doesn't stop humping my leg I'm gonna drop kick his gay a$$ into next year.

Since: Oct 07

United States

#10 Jan 10, 2008
opistoglyph wrote:
Oh, and if my daughter does turn out to be gay? I am honored to have so many special friends that will help her, love her and accept her as I do, both gay and straight.
BUT-if my neighbor's dog doesn't stop humping my leg I'm gonna drop kick his gay a$$ into next year.
LMAO !! Hi opis ! doing good ? did you get my e-mailsssss???
My girlfriend, a long time ago, had a dog you could not stand me, but, one day all over me and I was so happy he finally accepted me, until we realized he was humping my leg !

“near Halloween.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

#11 Jan 10, 2008
opistoglyph wrote:
My six year old daughter will never have to worry about it. She's boy crazy, but she spent a few months asking me questions. "Is it okay for boys to kiss boys? Girls to kiss girls? Can girls marry girls?" etc. Back when she was five. Natural curiosity, but it got intense. I just answered her questions openly and honestly as possible and appropriate for her age and understanding.I have a lot of gay friends and immediately started to write them about it. I know the heartbreak and isolation from family they went through, and asked for their insights on it. See I don't care if she's gay. I don't care if she cleans ditches for a living. I want her to be HAPPY. I want her to be HER. I can't imagine a parent being any other way with their child or feeling different. I love her with my whole heart. I will never understand humans. The world being what it is...tell them if it is something you NEED to do if you think they won't accept it well. Otherwise, tell them and be happy, and they'll be happy too.
Thanks Opis, I used the same attitude with my sons; when they were young and naturally curious, I equipped them, with the appropriate amount of knowledge equal to their ability, at the time, to understand and make use of it..
I always believed in telling them about the world and 'people' as it is, not painting a false
or rose coloured picture; as we know, there are ways of doing this, without being too
explicit, yet focusing on what is important .. and beneficial..

Yes, it is difficult to understand some folks, but often times, they are re producing .. once again .. what they .. in turn .. learned from 'their' parents,
who may have had negative views about matters such as 'homosexuality'

Since: Sep 07

Coxsackie, NY

#13 Jan 10, 2008
BRIGITTE wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO !! Hi opis ! doing good ? did you get my e-mailsssss???
My girlfriend, a long time ago, had a dog you could not stand me, but, one day all over me and I was so happy he finally accepted me, until we realized he was humping my leg !
Hi sweetie. Yes I did. Haven't been around much. I love your humor!

“Our Grand daughter”

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Since: Sep 06

Location hidden

#14 Jan 10, 2008
The gay thing was something I had never heard of until I was grown. My fience back in the early 70's lost his wife to another woman and they had 2 kids to raise. He refused to let her have them so he was trying to do his best and didn't make it with them. The strain of it all caused him to take his own life. He was shamed by the fact his X-wife was gay.

Vee

“Man Of Every Hour”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#16 Jan 10, 2008
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Opis, I used the same attitude with my sons; when they were young and naturally curious, I equipped them, with the appropriate amount of knowledge equal to their ability, at the time, to understand and make use of it..
I always believed in telling them about the world and 'people' as it is, not painting a false
or rose coloured picture; as we know, there are ways of doing this, without being too
explicit, yet focusing on what is important .. and beneficial..
Yes, it is difficult to understand some folks, but often times, they are re producing .. once again .. what they .. in turn .. learned from 'their' parents,
who may have had negative views about matters such as 'homosexuality'
There is a song by Anthony Nerwley (I love him and every song he ever did) but my favorte that he did was called Teach The Children. It is fabulous and if you get a chance to listen to it, please do.

Since: Apr 07

MOTOWN

#17 Jan 10, 2008
opistoglyph wrote:
Oh, and if my daughter does turn out to be gay? I am honored to have so many special friends that will help her, love her and accept her as I do, both gay and straight.
BUT-if my neighbor's dog doesn't stop humping my leg I'm gonna drop kick his gay a$$ into next year.
Love your attitude about your daughter, but the comment about the dog? ROFLMAOPIMP!!! You're too funny!!!

Vee

“Man Of Every Hour”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#18 Jan 10, 2008
A local woman who I have knwon for a few years, very very gay, who worked in a convenience store for years, then finally moved on to Home Depot (there could never be a more perfect job for her, as she is more manly then some men) had asked me out when she was working in the convenience store and I hugged her and said, "Kim, the only cleavage I want on top of me is mine." She laughed so hard. I gave her a Christmas gift one year and went and brought her lunch a few times on a Sunday on my way to Carvel, to show that she did not offend me and we are still frienfds. When I go into Home Depot, she always hugs me and of course I feel indifferent and she is probably wetting her Fruit of The Looms. ha ha ha ha ha

Since: Sep 07

Ravena, NY

#19 Jan 11, 2008
Thanks, I'll be here all weekend 10-2-4 p.m. lol Grace. I always knew you were special.

“near Halloween.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

#20 Jan 11, 2008
opistoglyph wrote:
Thanks, I'll be here all weekend 10-2-4 p.m. lol Grace. I always knew you were special.
Enjoyed your quip about the dog, which was very witty indeed..
I suppose with regard to ''Homosexuality/Lesbianism'', as long as the folks involved are happy,
that's ALL that really matters, each to one's own ...
The unnecessary interference by others in the past, has caused folks to commit suicide ..
which proves how important it is, in a sensitive issue to just'let folks be 'themselves'

Since: Sep 07

Coxsackie, NY

#21 Jan 11, 2008
Vee wrote:
A local woman who I have knwon for a few years, very very gay, who worked in a convenience store for years, then finally moved on to Home Depot (there could never be a more perfect job for her, as she is more manly then some men) had asked me out when she was working in the convenience store and I hugged her and said, "Kim, the only cleavage I want on top of me is mine." She laughed so hard. I gave her a Christmas gift one year and went and brought her lunch a few times on a Sunday on my way to Carvel, to show that she did not offend me and we are still frienfds. When I go into Home Depot, she always hugs me and of course I feel indifferent and she is probably wetting her Fruit of The Looms. ha ha ha ha ha
ROFLMAO
Grace Nerissa

Arklow, Ireland

#22 Jan 12, 2008
Take two women..
ONE WOMAN a Prositiute, working a few days a week, says the money is very good; by offering extra services, she says she can earn even more.
she says she needs the money to raise a child, and give the child a good lifestyle, as she is on her own. She says it is a decent job and she is not ashamed of what she does
for a living::
The OTHER WOMAN an industrial cleaner, she has to work every day, long hours+ overtime to make anything like the money the 'prostitute' makes.
but this woman when asked, why she would not do 'prostitution' says
its demeaning, unnecessary and the money which comes from it is already tarnished.. plus the fact.. that it cannot be looked upon as 'work' in the usual sense of the word ..
On the other hand, the prostitute says the cleaner is stupid, to be working such long exhausting hours when she could be a prostitute and bring in very good money.. thus freeing up more time for her children.. and
that it's just a job like any other..
What is YOUR opinion?
(Thanks)

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