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#147 Sep 12, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Until it happens in your family. I've raised two children. Using your logic, I would not have my grandson. My grandson - allstar little leaguer, carries a 3.0 average, never swears or has a mean bone in his body. Mistakes happen all the time - trust me - they do. Simply making global statements such as yours prooves to me one thing - you've never been there, and probalby never will.
You are requesting the same benefit of the doubt that you will not give to others.

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#148 Sep 12, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>This hardly changes the fact that your statement was very presumptive without corraborating evidence.
quilterqueen wrote:
"No, no, no, no, no, no!
Why should we pay because some girl is careless about sex. That would unlock the gate for girls/women to have no restraint.
I would only agree on the condition that with the abortion - they get a hysterectomy. "

milwaukee69 wrote:
"That is until "she's" your daughter, your neice or your grandaughter, right? Treat them all the same way, shoot 'em, right? Gut 'em like a stuck pig, right?

Do you ever, ever, just for one second - ever think about anything before you post on here?

Jesus..."

**********

The words "we" and "I" pretty makes her statement as her opinion. Presumptive? I didn't presume anything - I read her statement and commented.

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#149 Sep 12, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You are requesting the same benefit of the doubt that you will not give to others.
You're like chasing a herd of cats - cut the vernacular - it doesn't impress me. My point is that unplanned parenthood is a fact of life. Those who live in their own childless world will never understand that unless they too experience real life.

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#150 Sep 12, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
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You're like chasing a herd of cats - cut the vernacular - it doesn't impress me. My point is that unplanned parenthood is a fact of life. Those who live in their own childless world will never understand that unless they too experience real life.
Unplanned parenthood shouls not be bailed out by the government. People need to take a little responsibility for a change.

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#151 Sep 12, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Unplanned parenthood shouls not be bailed out by the government. People need to take a little responsibility for a change.
Of course ppl should be responsible but you are
condemning many w/that logic.

Ppl that did nothing wrong and shouldn't have to
suffer.

Do you know how many of the local crack hos
actually gave up their babies last yr?
Not one.
Everyone of them.....about 13 in all (yes we
had a bumper crop of unwanted, drug addicted
babies last yr) kept the babies.
Who are at this moment in a little crack house
bedroom being cared for by women who don't even
think to stop and feed themselves.

Eventually the state will step in and take them.
But by that time the child will have been exposed
to every low life crack addict in the valley.
Most will be molested. Sold by their own mothers
for a hit off a crack pipe.

Too bad the world is not a pretty place like
many want to think it is.

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#152 Sep 12, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Unplanned parenthood shouls not be bailed out by the government. People need to take a little responsibility for a change.
Easy to say that over a keyboard and behind the facade of a computer screen. Start by censoring children's TV and online activity. Take away their cell phones, gaming systems and start feeding them healthier. Spend less time in front of the TV or computer and actually enlighten a child's life. Invest more in education through higher taxes and pay teachers what they deserve, not what you think they deserve. This is America - we have never turned our backs on the less fortunate - regardless of who is in office.

See, problem solved...;)

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#153 Sep 12, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Unplanned parenthood shouls not be bailed out by the government. People need to take a little responsibility for a change.
flbadcatowner
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#154 Sep 12, 2012
Spotted Girl wrote:
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Getting pregnant is a deliberate choice, not a mistake nor accident. I have yet to hear of anyone falling from a high place onto an erect, ejaculating penis, with it aligning perfectly with the falling person's vagina. It needs to be drilled into children at an early age to ask yourself if you want pregnant (or want to cause pregnancy) each time you have sex and to not proceed if the answer is no.
Also, penises never enter your body by accident. Every woman who truly doesn't want pregnant will avoid sex until she does. So does every man who don't want to be on the hook, financially. Intelligent people know that no birth control method is 100% fail proof and that birth control is not a substitute for morality and common sense.
To clarify my earlier comments, someone should only hold their kids accountable for what they teach them. So if you want to be able to use the moral high ground, then you have to first lay the foundation. You cannot make up rules as you go along or change the rules in the middle of the game. If you don't tell the kids to not do this or that and they do it, then who is to blame? Sure, they make choices, but whose fault is it if they don't know they are making choice or they are not prepared to make choices?
only in a fairytale world are there no mistakes or accidents.
i understand what u are saying about teaching ur kids morals, and i agree wholehearted but even the best protection doesnt always work. women are not going to give up sex. young girls are always gonna be stary eyed and in love and so it happens, i bet half of my generation is a mistake. lol
i still think i'd rather my tax money go to an abortion If and ONLY if the woman who cant afford it wants one. and no its Not the perfect answer but neither is urs..

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#155 Sep 13, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Very true statement. I have no idea where this "if they can't help themselves they don't deserve our help" idea came from in this country. It certainly isn't very "American" when you really think about it - afterall it has been the cornerstone of charities and non-profit organizations for centuries. I agree that the government isn't a charity, but for all it gives back to the rich and well off, you'd think this would be a drop in the bucket.
Actually, America was based on rugged individualism. It is immoral and wrong to enable people in their wrong behavior. Nearly all unwanted pregnancy was because the woman was too stupid or too immoral to say no to sex. Any woman who has sex outside marriage for ANY reason is not my sister. It means she threw away the best part of her womanhood. Helping her to murder her child so she can be a wh*re again is not right.

Charities and NPOs are not quite an "American" concept. Anyone will help anyone who is legitimately in the poor house due to no fault of their own. It is wrong to enable people to live off of a system or to continue in their immoral conduct which caused the problem. If you don't want to be in the poor house, never drink even once, never use drugs even once, never smoke even once, don't get your hair and nail done every 2 days, and never have sex outside of marriage.

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#156 Sep 13, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Easy to say that over a keyboard and behind the facade of a computer screen. Start by censoring children's TV and online activity. Take away their cell phones, gaming systems and start feeding them healthier. Spend less time in front of the TV or computer and actually enlighten a child's life. Invest more in education through higher taxes and pay teachers what they deserve, not what you think they deserve. This is America - we have never turned our backs on the less fortunate - regardless of who is in office.
See, problem solved...;)
Ah, if life were only that simple
and clear cut,

to use your own phrase>

it is also SO simple to offer this advice
"over a keyboard and behind the facade of a computer screen."

but life, as we all know is NOWHERE that simple,

some parents don't even care or mind WHAT their young folks are
up to, they themselves, not having had
the advantage of a good upbringing.. etc... etc ..........

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#157 Sep 13, 2012
PFfff wrote:
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only in a fairytale world are there no mistakes or accidents.
i understand what u are saying about teaching ur kids morals, and i agree wholehearted but even the best protection doesnt always work. women are not going to give up sex. young girls are always gonna be stary eyed and in love and so it happens, i bet half of my generation is a mistake. lol
i still think i'd rather my tax money go to an abortion If and ONLY if the woman who cant afford it wants one. and no its Not the perfect answer but neither is urs..
Your above quote:



'only in a fairytale world are there no mistakes or accidents.'

BRILLIANTLY said..

KudosPFfff

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#158 Sep 13, 2012
Grace Nerissa wrote:
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some parents don't even care or mind WHAT their young folks are
up to, they themselves
"Some" is not all, "some" is not even the majority, Grace.

If Romney gets only "some" of the votes in November, he will not win.

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#159 Sep 13, 2012
Spotted Girl wrote:
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Actually, America was based on rugged individualism. It is immoral and wrong to enable people in their wrong behavior. Nearly all unwanted pregnancy was because the woman was too stupid or too immoral to say no to sex. Any woman who has sex outside marriage for ANY reason is not my sister. It means she threw away the best part of her womanhood. Helping her to murder her child so she can be a wh*re again is not right.
Charities and NPOs are not quite an "American" concept. Anyone will help anyone who is legitimately in the poor house due to no fault of their own. It is wrong to enable people to live off of a system or to continue in their immoral conduct which caused the problem. If you don't want to be in the poor house, never drink even once, never use drugs even once, never smoke even once, don't get your hair and nail done every 2 days, and never have sex outside of marriage.
That's an extremely generalistic view of America. I think you would benefit from an eye-opening trip to Detroit or Chicago. You talk a great game, but can you actually play? This is the internet - everyone's Vespa does 180 mph. Your world may nhave existed 200 years ago in Pennsylvania, but not now - it's 2012, not 1812. As I told Grace, "some" is not a majority. If your house and everything you own is wiped out by a flood, hurricane, tornado, etc. and you continue to live on a flood plain or in "Tornado Ally," isn't that the same as "unplanned pregnancies?" But yet you expect the government to bail your ass out everytime something like that happens. Even demanding they rebuild you a house on the very same plot of land. Kinda' hypocritical if you ask me. Unless you're a nun or a cloister, which quite personally wouldn't suprise me in the least, try moving out of that glass house.

One of the oldest charities in the world, the American Red Cross was founded in 1881, a little more than 100 years after this country was born. It was an American concept founded by Clara Barton.

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#160 Sep 13, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Easy to say that over a keyboard and behind the facade of a computer screen. Start by censoring children's TV and online activity. Take away their cell phones, gaming systems and start feeding them healthier. Spend less time in front of the TV or computer and actually enlighten a child's life. Invest more in education through higher taxes and pay teachers what they deserve, not what you think they deserve. This is America - we have never turned our backs on the less fortunate - regardless of who is in office.
See, problem solved...;)
While you made some points worth considering here, I still say no to government financing of abortion as we would end up financing promiscuity and sending the wrong message.

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#161 Sep 13, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>While you made some points worth considering here, I still say no to government financing of abortion as we would end up financing promiscuity and sending the wrong message.
If it were to pass, there would have to be many stipulations. Simply funding ALL abortions would open "the flood gates." I would think that victims of rape or incest would kinda' be a "slam dunk."

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#162 Sep 13, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
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That's an extremely generalistic view of America. I think you would benefit from an eye-opening trip to Detroit or Chicago. You talk a great game, but can you actually play? This is the internet - everyone's Vespa does 180 mph. Your world may nhave existed 200 years ago in Pennsylvania, but not now - it's 2012, not 1812. As I told Grace, "some" is not a majority. If your house and everything you own is wiped out by a flood, hurricane, tornado, etc. and you continue to live on a flood plain or in "Tornado Ally," isn't that the same as "unplanned pregnancies?" But yet you expect the government to bail your ass out everytime something like that happens. Even demanding they rebuild you a house on the very same plot of land. Kinda' hypocritical if you ask me. Unless you're a nun or a cloister, which quite personally wouldn't suprise me in the least, try moving out of that glass house.
One of the oldest charities in the world, the American Red Cross was founded in 1881, a little more than 100 years after this country was born. It was an American concept founded by Clara Barton.
I will have to guess that you feel that the government should bail out everybody's bad decisions. You also assunme (wrongly) that most people do not purchase insurance to cover natural disasters. Just for the record, when I moved to Florida, I chose an area which is historically very unlikely to get struck by a full blown hurricane.

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#163 Sep 13, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
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"Some" is not all, "some" is not even the majority, Grace.
If Romney gets only "some" of the votes in November, he will not win.
Some is still too many, regardless.

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#164 Sep 13, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
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"Some" is not all, "some" is not even the majority, Grace.
If Romney gets only "some" of the votes in November, he will not win.
LOL:..
point taken re 'some'
and indeed. neither would I win
the lotto if I had SOME of the
winning numbers(:

BUT.....

I would honestly say, the
"some" we speak of, is at least 50% if not more,
times have changed considerably
since I was young..I lived thru'
and can see that change.

It seems a 'free-for-all nowadays..
tolerance of sexual activity
[and it's consequences] is a given..

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#165 Sep 13, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>While you made some points worth considering here, I still say no to government financing of abortion as we would end up financing promiscuity and sending the wrong message.
In my bones, I have to agree with above post,

there is a subtle >

'go ahead we'll help
if things go wrong'

message here... undoubtedly

[in my opinion]

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#166 Sep 13, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I will have to guess that you feel that the government should bail out everybody's bad decisions. You also assunme (wrongly) that most people do not purchase insurance to cover natural disasters. Just for the record, when I moved to Florida, I chose an area which is historically very unlikely to get struck by a full blown hurricane.
I did not assume anything - I merely created a simple analogy so that SG would see my point. I rarely assume wrongly - as you have in this case.

Not "everyone" is smart enough to live in an area that isn't tornado, hurricane or flood-proof. And not everyone is smart enough to have insurance.

FEMA's 2013 Budget
The FY13 budget request reflects approximately $6.1B in funding for the Disaster Relief Fund, which supports a significant portion of the total Federal response to presidentially declared major disasters and emergencies.

If everyone were as smart as you, that $6.1B would be in our pockets, not in a tent city somewhere in Lousiana or Mississippi.

As Sam Kinison once said, "People of Ethiopia, I implore you - MOVE AWAY!!! We have deserts in the United States, but we don't live there!!!"

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