Teacher disciplined for 'Santa is whi...

Teacher disciplined for 'Santa is white' comment

There are 131 comments on the The Arizona Republic story from Dec 16, 2013, titled Teacher disciplined for 'Santa is white' comment. In it, The Arizona Republic reports that:

A New Mexico high school teacher has been disciplined after a parent says the man told his black son that Santa Claus is white.

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“Towards Spring”

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#21 Dec 17, 2013
Krampus wrote:
I'm going to boil you all in a tub and eat you for Christmas dinner.
[whistling softly & nervously]

ILL BE OFF SO!

Happy Xmas:)

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#22 Dec 17, 2013
YOLO wrote:
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Jesus may be a totally factionalized character for all I know but those who believe he is a historical figure accept that he was a Hebrew therefore he too would be considered white too.
The historical figures in both cases are white and I don't see any need to try to alter that reality unless you are trying to go back to a segregated society.
Why does anyone think it is necessary to pretend they weren't white?
What's wrong with them being white?
If there were something wrong with being white, I'd have a lot to atone for. What is wrong is trying to impose reality (questionable reality at that) onto a child's magical hero.

I take strong issue with your insistence that Jesus was white. He was born in the middle east, where people were dark-skinned. As Christianity spread to Europe, Jesus "became" white.
Randolph The Reindeer

Huntington, NY

#23 Dec 17, 2013
Santa is white.
Mrs. Clause on the other hand is black.
Santa loves the junk in the trunk yo!!!
razz58

Flossmoor, IL

#24 Dec 17, 2013
The teacher was out of line.

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#25 Dec 17, 2013
Some early art depictions of St. Nick show a black face inside the red and white of the Santa garb.
Jesus, if born in Bethlehem, is unlikely to be white either. Hebrew might have been fair skinned. There's fair skinned and there's Caucasian.
beatlesinthebog

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#26 Dec 17, 2013
YOLO wrote:
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Jesus may be a totally factionalized character for all I know but those who believe he is a historical figure accept that he was a Hebrew therefore he too would be considered white too.
The historical figures in both cases are white and I don't see any need to try to alter that reality unless you are trying to go back to a segregated society.
Why does anyone think it is necessary to pretend they weren't white?
What's wrong with them being white?
Everything.....in this pc world of ours today!
Zwarte Piet

Livonia, NY

#27 Dec 17, 2013
I vvill asken Shanta to reconshider allowing his tamed demon Krampus to punish you all. I vear it's late though!!
YOLO

Buford, GA

#28 Dec 17, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>If there were something wrong with being white, I'd have a lot to atone for. What is wrong is trying to impose reality (questionable reality at that) onto a child's magical hero.
I take strong issue with your insistence that Jesus was white. He was born in the middle east, where people were dark-skinned. As Christianity spread to Europe, Jesus "became" white.
then you must take issue with him being Hebrew too?

Of course you can still describe the Hebrews and Arabs of the Middle East today as dark skinned but they still aren't considered black when you lump them into those two categories of black or white where the truth is the level of darkness to the skin is highly variable but he would still be considered white though not a blue eyed light brown haired Jesus of that European Jesus you mention.

I hardly think that teachers behavior was appropriate but I also don't think it is necessary to try and alter reality concerning the historical basis.
Zwarte Piet

Livonia, NY

#29 Dec 17, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Who gives a crap? The idea of Santa is a being who makes little kids happy, and rewards them for good behavior.
Using your logic, a white Jesus is a fictionalized character based on a man who was born in a place where there were no white people.
Not true. Sigh!!!! That vvas not Mrs. Claus you saw. Schwas me.:( Shanta vvas turning out on the DL behind her back again.
YOLO

Buford, GA

#30 Dec 17, 2013
Xetra wrote:
Some early art depictions of St. Nick show a black face inside the red and white of the Santa garb.
Jesus, if born in Bethlehem, is unlikely to be white either. Hebrew might have been fair skinned. There's fair skinned and there's Caucasian.
I've seen Russian icons where Bishop Nicholas had dark skin but not African features or even what I would call black. It is more like they were trying to portray the dark skin of Greeks.
YOLO

Buford, GA

#31 Dec 17, 2013
beatlesinthebog wrote:
<quoted text>Everything.....in this pc world of ours today!
I understand that some believe that it is important to have icons and heros that share a similar appearance to a child but I personally believe it is better to have those that are based in reality

There are plenty, Frederick Douglas, Thurgood Marshall, MLK, Langston Hughes, Obama, Harriett Tubman, Bessie Coleman, Doris Miller and I could go on and on.

I would not try and argue that any of them were white to make a white child feel better about themselves so I think it is a disservice to try it in the other direction too
Krampus

Livonia, NY

#32 Dec 17, 2013
Zwarte Piet wrote:
I vvill asken Shanta to reconshider allowing his tamed demon Krampus to punish you all. I vear it's late though!!
Damn it Pete!!! You stay out of this. Don't you ruin my Christmas dinner.
YOLO

Buford, GA

#33 Dec 17, 2013
Randolph The Reindeer wrote:
Santa is white.
Mrs. Clause on the other hand is black.
Santa loves the junk in the trunk yo!!!
Now it sounds like you are describing a Kardashian Klaus.
Rambeaux

Newtown, PA

#34 Dec 17, 2013
YOLO wrote:
<quoted text> I've seen Russian icons where Bishop Nicholas had dark skin but not African features or even what I would call black. It is more like they were trying to portray the dark skin of Greeks.
Sort of like the Black Madonna of Czestahova, Poland. No black racial features, just a dark coloring.

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#35 Dec 17, 2013
Yes, like those examples given. Not African black necessarily.
Some Greeks, and others, given a choice between white or black as an option for describing themselves would say black.
Kanye East

Huntington, NY

#36 Dec 17, 2013
YOLO wrote:
<quoted text> Now it sounds like you are describing a Kardashian Klaus.
Racist!!!

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#37 Dec 17, 2013
YOLO wrote:
<quoted text>then you must take issue with him being Hebrew too?
Of course you can still describe the Hebrews and Arabs of the Middle East today as dark skinned but they still aren't considered black when you lump them into those two categories of black or white where the truth is the level of darkness to the skin is highly variable but he would still be considered white though not a blue eyed light brown haired Jesus of that European Jesus you mention.
I hardly think that teachers behavior was appropriate but I also don't think it is necessary to try and alter reality concerning the historical basis.
I have little doubt that, as a historical figure, Jesus was Hebrew. But he was not the pure white figure portrayed in Hollywood movies, and perpetuated in most statuary. It's a safe bet that a white Jesus is an invention.
YOLO

Buford, GA

#38 Dec 17, 2013
Rambeaux wrote:
<quoted text>Sort of like the Black Madonna of Czestahova, Poland. No black racial features, just a dark coloring.
yes and that one was painted over after being damaged in the Middle Ages.

It's more likely that the portrayals are what they imagined Hebrews and Greeks looked like after all these aren't photographs

But in the case of Nicholas it is known who his parents were and that he was Greek
YOLO

Buford, GA

#39 Dec 17, 2013
Kanye East wrote:
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Racist!!!
Compass!

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#40 Dec 17, 2013
YOLO wrote:
<quoted text> I understand that some believe that it is important to have icons and heros that share a similar appearance to a child but I personally believe it is better to have those that are based in reality
There are plenty, Frederick Douglas, Thurgood Marshall, MLK, Langston Hughes, Obama, Harriett Tubman, Bessie Coleman, Doris Miller and I could go on and on.
I would not try and argue that any of them were white to make a white child feel better about themselves so I think it is a disservice to try it in the other direction too
The persons you mention are real people, and there is no denying their race. But a mythical figure like Santa should be as personalized as the child needs him to be. Maybe we need a team of Santas to be more representative to more kids.

Sometimes reality is overrated.

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