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#180
Apr 5, 2013
 
stop the madness wrote:
That's right, blame it all on the Catholics or the Jews.
Reality, this country was created by Christians whether you like it or not. I'm sure that when the founding fathers were forging the Constitution they were not doing it to benefit Shariah Rule.
Just the name RULE in it, tyrannical in nature.
Religion and government were separated long ago in America because there were so many budding religions, all Christian in nature, but wanting freedom to practice. This contradicts the esscence and very core of American society.
Ever read anything out of The Book of Mormon?

I think you and Milina need to do some reading up before you start crucifying other "non-Christian" religions.

Islam and Mormonism both originate in the Abrahamic traditions. Both believe that Christianity as originally established by Jesus Christ was a true religion, but that it subsequently became deformed to the point that it was beyond simple reformation. Hence, each religion sees its founder (Muhammad for Islam, and Joseph Smith for Mormonism) as being a true prophet of God, called to re-establish the true faith. In addition, both prophets received visits from an angel, leading to additional books of scripture. Both religions share a high emphasis on family life, charitable giving, chastity, abstention from alcohol, and a special reverence for, though not worship of, their founding prophet. Before the 1890 Manifesto against plural marriage, Mormonism and Islam also shared in the belief in and practice of plural marriage, a practice now held in common by Islam and various branches of Mormon fundamentalism.

Using this analogy - Romney was closer to being a Muslim than Obama.

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Apr 5, 2013
 
Milena N wrote:
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If you have no knowledge about how Islam works is a grate analogy.If hypothetically the US becomes an Islamic country,there would be an Islamic law and I already posted a link regarding that.There's no analogy.Those are cold hard facts.
It is not an analogy of Islam. Its an anology of using fear to push ones agenda to deny the rights of another.

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Apr 5, 2013
 
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I am never going to live that movie down am I???
Why couldn't they have made it about Arkansas. LOL
If it were made in Arkansas, it couldn't be called fiction. Tee hee.

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He was practicing something considered by Christians a Heresy so you can't really say he was a Christian.
I never said he was a christian...I said he was raised Catholic which is a fact not an opinion.

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Apr 5, 2013
 
Considering Dave wrote:
If -that- is the road you are headed, I understand. However, with that mentallity "once you let them get a shoe through that door" what is going to prevent the chaos that will follow when the extremist, which they themselves fear, begin to mingle within their groups? What then?
America will never make the same mistake as Japan, Germany or Iraq and become a seperatist nation.

You're living a pipe dream if you believe that.

Besides, there ain't a lot of Muslims that would choose to inhabit the Southeast - can you just imagine a Confederate flag mandatorily flying over a mosqus?
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Apr 5, 2013
 
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Ever read anything out of The Book of Mormon?
I think you and Milina need to do some reading up before you start crucifying other "non-Christian" religions.
Islam and Mormonism both originate in the Abrahamic traditions. Both believe that Christianity as originally established by Jesus Christ was a true religion, but that it subsequently became deformed to the point that it was beyond simple reformation. Hence, each religion sees its founder (Muhammad for Islam, and Joseph Smith for Mormonism) as being a true prophet of God, called to re-establish the true faith. In addition, both prophets received visits from an angel, leading to additional books of scripture. Both religions share a high emphasis on family life, charitable giving, chastity, abstention from alcohol, and a special reverence for, though not worship of, their founding prophet. Before the 1890 Manifesto against plural marriage, Mormonism and Islam also shared in the belief in and practice of plural marriage, a practice now held in common by Islam and various branches of Mormon fundamentalism.
Using this analogy - Romney was closer to being a Muslim than Obama.
Sharia in America?

So could Sharia courts come to America? The idea sounds far-fetched to some.

According to the Center for Security Policy in Washington, there have been some 50 court cases in at least 23 states that have seen conflicts between Sharia law and American state law.

And four states have adopted legislation, called "American Laws for American Courts," that would protect U.S. citizens from the use of any type of foreign law, like Sharia, in the courtroom.

In East London, Craig said the fight against Sharia is much more than a religious or legal issue.

"It's actually a human rights thing," he said. "And we're working in partnership with non-Christians as well on this trying to bolster and strengthen the position for Muslim women."
by-http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/ world/2012/November/Islamic-Sh aria-Law-Comes-to-Great-Britai n/

(It was the last paragraph.)

I agree with him, this is a human rights issue not a religous one as much as it would like to mask itself as one. WTH did we do to Iraq for then? WTheck is that mumbojumbo about the "alibaba spring"!?

Note: I'm not pissed off. I'm just offended but thinking. Plus, you are screwing with my head cause you make sense, logically but it's still not logical. LOL

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If it were made in Arkansas, it couldn't be called fiction. Tee hee.
Good one:) LOL
You said it

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milwaukee69 wrote:
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America will never make the same mistake as Japan, Germany or Iraq and become a seperatist nation.
You're living a pipe dream if you believe that.
Besides, there ain't a lot of Muslims that would choose to inhabit the Southeast - can you just imagine a Confederate flag mandatorily flying over a mosqus?
Never.

Never say never Mil. I'm pretty at one point in time someone said:

"We'll never go to the moon."
"Women will never vote."
"Man will never fly."
"Blacks will never be free."
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#188
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I think the argument is more about implementing the Sharia as a legal law.This has been requested at times by Muslims.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/40-p...
Sure it has...but to even think that it is ever a possibility in the US is ludicrous. The issue I am taking is with states like Tennessee. I think we should keep rights to Sharia Law out of our courts and judiciary but we cant tell Muslims how to practice their religion like Tennessee has.

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#189
Apr 5, 2013
 
Maybe wrote:
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Maybe Dave is trying to make a case for Bin Laden and Muslim persecution, fear?
I think Dave just needs to read up on Islam a little.

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#190
Apr 5, 2013
 
Considering Dave wrote:
If -that- is the road you are headed, I understand. However, with that mentallity "once you let them get a shoe through that door" what is going to prevent the chaos that will follow when the extremist, which they themselves fear, begin to mingle within their groups? What then?
Do you honestly in your heart think that Americans, with what they have fought for in this country over the last 300 years, will allow 2% of the population to force their religous law on the remaining 98%? Does that seem like a logical scenario or even remotely a possibility to you?

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#191
Apr 5, 2013
 
DaveMC wrote:
<quoted text>It is not an analogy of Islam. Its an anology of using fear to push ones agenda to deny the rights of another.
What I'm saying has nothing to do with what they said about blacks.What they said was a guess.What I'm saying is a fact.
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Apr 5, 2013
 
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...

Today’s more civilized societies live under secular law and are constantly evolving. Religious laws require discussion, interpretation, analysis and subsequent application. They are subordinate to secular law. This can never happen with a strict adherence to Islam, which is all about obedience, observance and submission. As Seyyid Qutb, the founding father of modern Jihad, wrote in his Milestones:“We must return to it”, referring to Islam at the time of the Prophet (when it was at its purest, free from Jahiliyyah or ignorance of Allah’s guidance)“with a sense of instruction for obedience and action, and not for academic discussion and enjoyment.”Discussion or criticism is not allowed in Islam, only blind obedience to Shariah. Choosing otherwise means death.<---Yikes, so much for freedom of speech.

Man-made laws that include the West’s basic human rights and freedoms as outlined in the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights can never transcend the laws of Shariah ordained by Allah for all mankind. Shariah Law has been established as the supreme law of the land for all countries in the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, issued in 1990 by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) &#9472; the 57-member state organization representing 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide. The OIC’s goal is to internationally criminalize any criticism of Islam by restricting freedom of speech (as per Resolution 16/18). Without the freedom to speak and express opinions, a society will lose the remainder of its other freedoms and eventually collapse, giving Shariah free reign to assert its primacy over Western law.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights stresses that “All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights”, while its antithesis, the Cairo Declaration, stresses that Allah has made only “the Islamic ummah the best people” and states in Article 24 that “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shariah.” In other words, Human Rights in the latter document mean Shariah Law. Following man-made laws is considered apostasy from Islam, punishable by death, as prescribed by the Prophet (Bukhari (4:52:260), in some Islamic countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. Blasphemy is also punishable by death in those very same countries (Koran 33:57-61).

I repeat, the harder the OIC pushes for a worldwide caliphate governed by Shariah, the more Westerners will see Shariah creep into all facets of their free societies. Where there is Shariah, there are horrific human rights abuses. To protect children and others against Shariah oppression in the West, citizens of the free world must push for legislation to delegitimize and ban implementation of Shariah in the state, province or region in which they live &#9472; before the Jihad against infidels is taken to the next stage of convert, surrender or die.<---I don't know Mil, sounds horrible. You really want to defend that??!!

Many focus on the subjugation of the women. But it's not just women, it's men too.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/05/world/meast...

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Sharia in America?
So could Sharia courts come to America? The idea sounds far-fetched to some.
According to the Center for Security Policy in Washington, there have been some 50 court cases in at least 23 states that have seen conflicts between Sharia law and American state law.
And four states have adopted legislation, called "American Laws for American Courts," that would protect U.S. citizens from the use of any type of foreign law, like Sharia, in the courtroom.
In East London, Craig said the fight against Sharia is much more than a religious or legal issue.
"It's actually a human rights thing," he said. "And we're working in partnership with non-Christians as well on this trying to bolster and strengthen the position for Muslim women."
by-http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/ world/2012/November/Islamic-Sh aria-Law-Comes-to-Great-Britai n/
(It was the last paragraph.)
I agree with him, this is a human rights issue not a religous one as much as it would like to mask itself as one. WTH did we do to Iraq for then? WTheck is that mumbojumbo about the "alibaba spring"!?
Note: I'm not pissed off. I'm just offended but thinking. Plus, you are screwing with my head cause you make sense, logically but it's still not logical. LOL
Consider these also:

Amish law - The rules of the church, the Ordnung, must be observed by every member and cover most aspects of day-to-day living, including prohibitions or limitations on the use of power-line electricity, telephones, and automobiles, as well as regulations on clothing. Most Amish do not buy commercial insurance or participate in Social Security. As present-day Anabaptists, Amish church members practice nonresistance and will not perform any type of military service.

Jewish law - Historically in the diaspora, Halakha served many Jewish communities as an enforceable avenue of civil and religious law. Since the Age of Enlightenment, emancipation, and haskalah in the modern era, Jewish citizens are bound to Halakha only by their voluntary consent. Under contemporary Israeli law, however, certain areas of Israeli family and personal status law are under the authority of the rabbinic courts and are therefore treated according to Halakha.

Mormon law - Mormons have a health code that eschews alcoholic beverages, tobacco, coffee, tea, and other addictive substances. They tend to be very family-oriented, and have strong connections across generations and with extended family, reflective of their belief that families can be sealed together beyond death and throughout eternity. Mormons also have a strict law of chastity, requiring abstention from sexual relations outside of marriage and strict fidelity within marriage.

Every religion has it's laws or "commandments." Every religion has contested their religion versus the law of the land - every one of them.

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#194
Apr 5, 2013
 
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<quoted text>I never said he was a christian...I said he was raised Catholic which is a fact not an opinion.
But again,you can't put the blame for what he did on the Christian religion.

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<quoted text>You kind of can blame Catholicism...what he was tought as a Catholic child(in those days) set the temperment for his hatred of Jews. Combine that with power and his delusions from Syphilis and you have a recipe for disaster.
there are different theories about his hate for Jews.One of them is that he asked their community for support for his campaign and they refused.

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In the U.S we have freedom of religion.
Americans can practice what ever religion floats
their boat.
However, that being said, they Cannot carry out
the "honor killings" that they believe in.
Or anything else that breaks the laws of this
country.
If they feel that infringes on their rights all
I can say is: They are free to leave.
Arctic...I know a few muslims. My wifes business partner is from Egypt..He doesnt believe in honor killings. This is fear mongoring at its finest because it has a majority of you believing this is a relevant possiblity in this country.

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Didn't they already try it in Florida?
The only basis that I can think of off the top of my head that would allow them this is not only the first Amendment but the fact that we recognize the Native American Nations to live as a separate nation within the United States. They could, not sure, but somehow make cause for precedence, no?
Liberterians are going to go so far they'll end up in chains.
I can TRY and rob the bank down the road...it doesnt mean Im getting away with the loot.

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America will never make the same mistake as Japan, Germany or Iraq and become a seperatist nation.
You're living a pipe dream if you believe that.
Besides, there ain't a lot of Muslims that would choose to inhabit the Southeast - can you just imagine a Confederate flag mandatorily flying over a mosqus?
Hahaha...already gave you my last prop...

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DaveMC wrote:
<quoted text>Sure it has...but to even think that it is ever a possibility in the US is ludicrous. The issue I am taking is with states like Tennessee. I think we should keep rights to Sharia Law out of our courts and judiciary but we cant tell Muslims how to practice their religion like Tennessee has.
I think that's probably an answer to the muslims' request for executing people who talk against Mohamed and Islam.

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