Do women belong on the front line?
Hoosier Hillbilly

Oxford, OH

#65 Dec 7, 2012
Job at the FBI

The FBI had an opening for an assassin.

After all the background checks, interviews

And testing were done, there were 3 finalists;

Two men and a woman.

For the final test, the FBI agents took one of

The men to a large metal door and handed

Him a gun.

'We must know that you will follow your

Instructions no matter what the circumstances.

Inside the room you will find your wife sitting In a chair.....Kill her!!'

The man said,'You can't be serious. I could

Never shoot my wife.'

The agent said,'Then you're not the right man

For this job. Take your wife and go home.'

The second man was given the same instructions.

He took the gun and went into the room.

All was quiet for a bout 5minutes.

The man came out with tears in his eyes,

'I tried, But I can't kill my wife.' The agent said,'You don't, Have what it takes.

Take your wife and go home.'

Finally, it was the woman's turn. She was given the Same instructions, to kill her husband. She took the

Gun and went into the room. Shots were heard, one After another.. They heard screaming, crashing, Banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was

Quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the Woman, wiping the sweat from her brow.

'This gun is loaded with blanks' she said.

'I had to Beat him to death with the chair.'

MORAL:

Women are crazy!!!

Don't mess with them!!!

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#67 Dec 7, 2012
Rape:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_mil...

"A more insidious issue is the rape of women in the military by their own. Some have alleged that a woman in the military is three times more likely than a woman in the general population to be raped,[8] and in Iraq are more likely to be attacked by one of their own than an insurgent.[9] There is currently a law suit by men women in the US military over lack of protection of women in the military.[10] A documentary called "The Invisible War" [11] has been made on this law suit and topic."

Which is ... the same issue with military women in non-combat roles being raped by their own.

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#68 Dec 7, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
We also protected our Chaplin and our Medics in the same fashion - doesn't matter - when the sh*t hits the fan, man or woman would make an equally efficient killing machine.
The bottom line that many of you are missing is that we wouldn't put Pam Anderson on the frontline - on the contrary, we'd train them identically to that of the men.
Both would be trained killers.
As for not calling female firefighters - I'm happy as hell I don't live next to you Bex - especially at Thanksgiving...lol
LOL! I didn't say I wouldn't call them, I just wouldn't be happy about it. And I certainly realize that the Pam Anderson's of the world wouldn't be on the line. <let's not make our boys too happy> I understand that some women can be as tough as men, I just don't see an advantage to it.
I've seen some things go down when women are placed in certain jobs. The most recent was a policewoman, the door she went to was a big nasty man with a bad attitude and a mean dog, neighbors complained. He intimated her as he stepped right up in her face and apparently she past all the physical and mental test to earn the right to be a cop. If that had been a man, I think the outcome would have been different.

I guess I'm just old fashion, I don't see woman on the front line as a bonus. Men fighting don't need any more distractions.

And are you picking on my cooking? You think I caught the kitchen on fire? I haven't done that in years, lol.

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#69 Dec 7, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Are you aware that the fitness standards for men in the Marines are tougher than for a woman? A time of 21 minutes flat in a three mile run scores 100 points for a woman while scoring 82 points for a man. On the contrary, my analogies do make much more sense than you are willing to admit.
You, as always, are overlooking the obvious - the thread title is, "Do women belong on the front line." Not, "Why are women fighting on the front line." It's a hypothetical question. There is no doubt in my mind that any woman could hold her own in any combat situation - agin, with an emphasis on "elite." You need to get past the age-old additch that "all women are inferior to men." If you doubt me, I'll introduce you to my neice - she's a 3rd degree black belt in Judo - she'll break your legs, set them and then break them again.

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#70 Dec 7, 2012
I think if women want to fight on the frontlines they should be allowed.

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#71 Dec 7, 2012
Put the ones on the frontlines that are PMS'G and the enemy doesn't stand a chance...:)

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#72 Dec 7, 2012
Hmmm ^^^^ that post about rape was the 2nd one ... dammit, where'd the first go?

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#73 Dec 7, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're lost.
Read my post again - and if needed, I can translate to Portugese.
Go ahead, be like the Iraqis - enlist the average person.
We here in the United States do not enlist the average - we enlist and send into battle only the elite - regardless of sex.
Your posts remind me of someone who hasn't been laid in a long time. A mama's boy mentality if you will.
No need to get all huffy and whiney over the fact that I have simply disagreed and contrary to your assertions, more is still expected of a man than a woman in the Marines as far as physical abilities are concerned. Physical standards for men are still significantly greater than those for women as the point scale for the three mile run and other standards are concerned. You have your losers badly confused. You started out debating in a very civil manner, but I knew it couldn't last. When you couldn't compete with facts, you once again resorted to your usual juvenile antics and started making personal attacks with absolutely no basis in fact.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/l/blfi...

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/l/blfi...

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#74 Dec 7, 2012
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
Put the ones on the frontlines that are PMS'G and the enemy doesn't stand a chance...:)
LOL!
But they might turn on our own guys, lol.
Very funny!

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#75 Dec 7, 2012
This, an excerpt from A PBS special on fighting women in the military:

One more casualty of the war in Iraq brought home to Decatur, Illinois, last weekend. In this case, the soldier's vehicle was hit in Baghdad on June 21st by a rocket-propelled grenade. But this death is one of those that makes this war unique, for it was a woman, 22-year-old Army Specialist Karen Clifton.

She is one of the most recent of more than 80 women who have so far been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, a figure nearly double the number of American military women killed in Desert Storm, Vietnam, and Korea, combined. Some 500 have been wounded, many grievously.

American women are serving in the U.S. military today in ways and numbers unthinkable a few decades ago. They are now eligible to fill more than 80 percent of military jobs, 250,000 different assignments, often serving side-by-side with men.

So far, women have served some 167,000 tours of duty in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, more than four times the number in the first Gulf War. They are not assigned to infantry units, to tanks or submarines, and Pentagon policy officially precludes them from serving in so-called "combat occupations." But in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, where no clear frontlines exist, such distinctions are often hard to make.

Women in both theaters today drive Humvees and trucks, escort military convoys, serve as military police, even pilot helicopters and planes on the battlefield, all of it done under the very real -- and constant -- threat of attack. And like men, many women of the U.S. Armed Services have by now served several tours in the war zones.

**********

I'm just surprised there are more men outspoken on this subject than women - kinda' like the abortion thread, men have no place here.

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#76 Dec 7, 2012
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
Put the ones on the frontlines that are PMS'G and the enemy doesn't stand a chance...:)
yep. that's what it's all about !!

Hi and welcome back after the holiday break. Hope all is OK :)

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#77 Dec 7, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>No need to get all huffy and whiney over the fact that I have simply disagreed and contrary to your assertions, more is still expected of a man than a woman in the Marines as far as physical abilities are concerned. Physical standards for men are still significantly greater than those for women as the point scale for the three mile run and other standards are concerned. You have your losers badly confused. You started out debating in a very civil manner, but I knew it couldn't last. When you couldn't compete with facts, you once again resorted to your usual juvenile antics and started making personal attacks with absolutely no basis in fact.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/l/blfi...
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/l/blfi...
Red herrings as usual...you ought to get a date with Spotted Girl - she's just a maligned as you. Try and keep up next time - your time here has expired.

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#78 Dec 7, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
You, as always, are overlooking the obvious - the thread title is, "Do women belong on the front line." Not, "Why are women fighting on the front line." It's a hypothetical question. There is no doubt in my mind that any woman could hold her own in any combat situation - agin, with an emphasis on "elite." You need to get past the age-old additch that "all women are inferior to men." If you doubt me, I'll introduce you to my neice - she's a 3rd degree black belt in Judo - she'll break your legs, set them and then break them again.
You are a poster child for political correctness gone amok Even the Marines have tougher standards for men than women. Before you start any more of that wimp nonsense, while I was being treated for a chronic shoulder problem, I still managed to pass the National Guard test for push ups and sit ups and ran a 23 minute four mile run at age 34.
Hoosier Hillbilly

Oxford, OH

#79 Dec 7, 2012
"We" agree *** "We" agree

milwaukee69 said:
I'm just surprised there are more men outspoken on this subject than women -[[kinda' like the abortion thread, men have no place here.]]

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#80 Dec 7, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
This, an excerpt from A PBS special on fighting women in the military:
One more casualty of the war in Iraq brought home to Decatur, Illinois, last weekend. In this case, the soldier's vehicle was hit in Baghdad on June 21st by a rocket-propelled grenade. But this death is one of those that makes this war unique, for it was a woman, 22-year-old Army Specialist Karen Clifton.
She is one of the most recent of more than 80 women who have so far been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, a figure nearly double the number of American military women killed in Desert Storm, Vietnam, and Korea, combined. Some 500 have been wounded, many grievously.
American women are serving in the U.S. military today in ways and numbers unthinkable a few decades ago. They are now eligible to fill more than 80 percent of military jobs, 250,000 different assignments, often serving side-by-side with men.
So far, women have served some 167,000 tours of duty in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, more than four times the number in the first Gulf War. They are not assigned to infantry units, to tanks or submarines, and Pentagon policy officially precludes them from serving in so-called "combat occupations." But in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, where no clear frontlines exist, such distinctions are often hard to make.
Women in both theaters today drive Humvees and trucks, escort military convoys, serve as military police, even pilot helicopters and planes on the battlefield, all of it done under the very real -- and constant -- threat of attack. And like men, many women of the U.S. Armed Services have by now served several tours in the war zones.
**********
I'm just surprised there are more men outspoken on this subject than women - kinda' like the abortion thread, men have no place here.
Nobody is saying that women have no place in the military. We are just questioning the notion that men and women are totally interchangeable in combat situations. Like it or not, men and women are different physically and wired differently emotionally. Brain scans show that men and women tend to react very differently to identical stimuli. Men and women are not absolutely interchangeable, period.

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#81 Dec 7, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
This, an excerpt from A PBS special on fighting women in the military:
One more casualty of the war in Iraq brought home to Decatur, Illinois, last weekend. In this case, the soldier's vehicle was hit in Baghdad on June 21st by a rocket-propelled grenade. But this death is one of those that makes this war unique, for it was a woman, 22-year-old Army Specialist Karen Clifton.
She is one of the most recent of more than 80 women who have so far been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, a figure nearly double the number of American military women killed in Desert Storm, Vietnam, and Korea, combined. Some 500 have been wounded, many grievously.
American women are serving in the U.S. military today in ways and numbers unthinkable a few decades ago. They are now eligible to fill more than 80 percent of military jobs, 250,000 different assignments, often serving side-by-side with men.
So far, women have served some 167,000 tours of duty in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, more than four times the number in the first Gulf War. They are not assigned to infantry units, to tanks or submarines, and Pentagon policy officially precludes them from serving in so-called "combat occupations." But in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, where no clear frontlines exist, such distinctions are often hard to make.
Women in both theaters today drive Humvees and trucks, escort military convoys, serve as military police, even pilot helicopters and planes on the battlefield, all of it done under the very real -- and constant -- threat of attack. And like men, many women of the U.S. Armed Services have by now served several tours in the war zones.
**********
I'm just surprised there are more men outspoken on this subject than women - kinda' like the abortion thread, men have no place here.
No, not exactly.

[Don't be an impulsive hero, it verifies the stereotype re: man and woman in combat.]

In reality there is room for discussion for men regarding both topics ... for specific reasons; abortion -- pertinent laws that need to be passed or existing ones rescinded, where funding comes from for example. For combat roles -- policy decisions from the top down to field tactical level.

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#82 Dec 7, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You are a poster child for political correctness gone amok Even the Marines have tougher standards for men than women. Before you start any more of that wimp nonsense, while I was being treated for a chronic shoulder problem, I still managed to pass the National Guard test for push ups and sit ups and ran a 23 minute four mile run at age 34.
Sure you did, and my Vespa does 185 mph.

This is the internet - I doubt you're even a male.

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#83 Dec 7, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Red herrings as usual...you ought to get a date with Spotted Girl - she's just a maligned as you. Try and keep up next time - your time here has expired.
You can spew all the spurious personal attacks you wish. It still doesn't change the fact that you can't face the facts that men must meet more stringent physical standards than women in the Marines. I even provided the links to prove my assertion.

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#84 Dec 7, 2012
Fish_sticks wrote:
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LOL!
But they might turn on our own guys, lol.
Very funny!
Shhh, they won't let us fight if they know that..:)

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#85 Dec 7, 2012
^^^^ while bottom line decision goes to woman in abortion; S/O input (in contrast to being a rape victim or dalliance with "one-night stand" sperm donor) shouldn't be stifled completely dead stop.

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