Is health care a fundamental right?

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Hoosier Hillbilly

Salem, IN

#1 Dec 4, 2012
IMO:
Health care originates with how people take care of =themselves=
Depending on how this is done whether they are entitled to
compensation or not from others @ no expense to them.
So yes "&" no!

Level 9

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#2 Dec 4, 2012
AMEN !!!

and

AMEN !!!

My husband and I are healthy and take care of ourselves. The government has no business intruding in our lives or forcing us to sign up for their healthcare plan or punishing us when we don't. That is UNAMERICAN.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Dec 4, 2012
You have a right to take care of your health. You do NOT have a right to demand someone else take care of the cost.

And while I'm at it, people are always quick to point out their RIGHTS but they seldom speak of their RESPONSIBILITIES -- such as responsibility to be self-sufficient without automatically expecting others to pick up the slack for you.
Hoosier Hillbilly

Salem, IN

#4 Dec 4, 2012
Two 'brilliant posts' in a row, scary. LOL
Hoosier Hillbilly

Salem, IN

#5 Dec 4, 2012
We've always paid for others healthcare indirectly by being charged more for those that can't or don't pay when doctors and hospitals are required to treat them.
But now Obama has made it official.
Who do you suppose lobbied for this healthcare bill to pass? We know it had-to-do with =money=
so who's to benefit?
And how expensive will it get since people know it's now FREE? I can already see the lines forming.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Dec 4, 2012
(Reuters)- The Internal Revenue Service has released new rules for investment income taxes on capital gains and dividends earned by high-income individuals that passed Congress as part of the 2010 healthcare reform law.

The 3.8 percent surtax on investment income, meant to help pay for healthcare, goes into effect in 2013. It is the first surtax to be applied to capital gains and dividend income.

The tax affects only individuals with more than $200,000 in modified adjusted gross income (MAGI), and married couples filing jointly with more than $250,000 of MAGI.

The tax applies to a broad range of investment securities ranging from stocks and bonds to commodity securities and specialized derivatives.

The 159 pages of rules spell out when the tax applies to trusts and annuities, as well as to individual securities traders.

Released late on Friday, the new regulations include a 0.9 percent healthcare tax on wages for high-income individuals.

Both sets of rules will be published on Wednesday in the Federal Register.

The proposed rules are effective starting January 1. Before making the rules final, the IRS will take public comments and hold hearings in April.

Together, the two taxes are estimated to raise $317.7 billion over 10 years, according to a Joint Committee on Taxation analysis released in June.

To illustrate when the tax applies, the IRS offered an example of a taxpayer filing as a single individual who makes $180,000 in wage income plus $90,000 from investment income. The individual's modified adjusted gross income is $270,000.

The 3.8 percent tax applies to the $70,000, and the individual would pay $2,660 in surtaxes, the IRS said.

“Nirvana”

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#7 Dec 4, 2012
National healthcare ~ free at the point of use, not free full stop; was set up in the UK after the world wars bcuz it was seen that ppl being called up for soldiering were unfit to fight. It was decided that a healthcare system would increase ppls general healthcare from 'cradle to grave'.....expensive as this might be treating illness early, ensuring the poorest have access to things such as child welfare is actually cheaper in the long run....late stage illnesses are harder therefore more expensive to treat & ppl who have had poor healthcare through their lives are more likely to become ill throughout adulthood
It is not 'free' as everyone pays in on the understanding that should they need it it is there for them....yes, it's true some pay in a lot more than they get out, but the idea is it is for the good of the population of the entire Country & not just individuals looking out for themselves.......of course everyone can look after their health & have a healthy lifestyle, tho this reduces the risk of certain illnesses it definitely does not exclude anyone from them
It's in the interests of any nation to have all its ppl at the best health they can be in
In the UK 'national insurance' contributions are graduated according to income but always make up quite a small percentage of wage deductions, compared to the wage deductions for tax......if an universal healthcare system is introduced sure it's going to be harsher to begin with as any system in its set up has 'teething' problems & initializing costs......I get that ppl resent paying out for the potential of not getting anything back.....but none of us really know if the future might bring personal financial change or illness....ppl get laid off in work, bad things happen, insurance schemes' investments collapse.....at least in the UK, tho far from perfect, if we require medical treatment we can get it without the worry if we've fallen behind on insurance payments

“Geaux Tigers!”

Level 9

Since: Jun 12

Down on the bayou

#8 Dec 4, 2012
How is it that a consumer product can be considered a right?

If products are becoming "rights", then I'd prefer to have a right to a corvette :0)

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