Are shootings getting more publicity than usual

Created by MoonDancing on Jan 11, 2013

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Yes, it's getting sick

because the world is SICKER

because it sells...

for an agenda

do watch the news because of it

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#749 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>Thats the same logic as holding a Bar responsible for allowing a drunken individual to leave their establishment under the influence..
Accountability lies at the offenders doorstep.. not everyone who drives by, and visits...
Hi Reebie, I have enjoyed our giggles as of late but I would like to flip this question on you.

Say you were the bartender and the person sitting there was obviously in no condition to drive. As in couldn't talk or walk well, nodding out on the bar etc. and they left at closing time.
Before getting home safe ran a stop sign and killed a family who had been out late at the grandparents house because they were making homemade ice cream, playing scrabble and watching a Disney movie. Mom, dad, children and the family pet are now dead.

Don't you think if you had said, hey I'm cutting you off and calling you a cab or someone to take you home safe so you can come back and be with us another day that the family killed would not have been.

Would you feel no responsibility for that when it could have been prefented?

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#750 Jan 21, 2013
Prevented^^^^ sorry..

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#751 Jan 21, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> Hi Reebie, I have enjoyed our giggles as of late but I would like to flip this question on you.
Say you were the bartender and the person sitting there was obviously in no condition to drive. As in couldn't talk or walk well, nodding out on the bar etc. and they left at closing time.
Before getting home safe ran a stop sign and killed a family who had been out late at the grandparents house because they were making homemade ice cream, playing scrabble and watching a Disney movie. Mom, dad, children and the family pet are now dead.
Don't you think if you had said, hey I'm cutting you off and calling you a cab or someone to take you home safe so you can come back and be with us another day that the family killed would not have been.
Would you feel no responsibility for that when it could have been prefented?
Every occupation comes with some "responsiblilty" so yes. I think it goes without saying, that bartenders should be cognizant enough to "cut off" a clearly intoxicated person... thats a no brainer... but lets face it..most drunks arent staggering and peeing themselves in a water puddle somewhere,, they leave bars, parties.. folks homes every day.. with a "slight" buzz..undetectable..you cant lay the responsibilty at the feet of those who "supply"
its not that easy.. in any issue... drunk drivers.. guns... fat folks who frequent Mcdonalds..somewhere along the line, you have to look at the person who commited the offense..and ask,,why...and call that person to accountability..

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#752 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>
Every occupation comes with some "responsiblilty" so yes. I think it goes without saying, that bartenders should be cognizant enough to "cut off" a clearly intoxicated person... thats a no brainer... but lets face it..most drunks arent staggering and peeing themselves in a water puddle somewhere,, they leave bars, parties.. folks homes every day.. with a "slight" buzz..undetectable..you cant lay the responsibilty at the feet of those who "supply"
its not that easy.. in any issue... drunk drivers.. guns... fat folks who frequent Mcdonalds..somewhere along the line, you have to look at the person who commited the offense..and ask,,why...and call that person to accountability..
I agree with you there but feel there is responsibility and accountability on both.

We know guns kill, we know drunk drivers kill and we know that fat ppl at Mickey Dee's will have a heart attack and die at some point but..

for all of that alittle prevention would go along way...don't you think?

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#753 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
I said holding a bar responsible fellas!! Not what happens in a home...!!
But you surely dont condone molly coddling a drunk driver, and taking away his personal responsiblity,,while allowing some poor smchuck business owner to help sholder his wrecklessnes... good lord!! NO ONE!! wants to take responsiblity for their own actions...
Its not my fault,, my sisters hairdressers boyfriends uncles mother in law....
ohh well,.,.,.,.
in all states the law DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE

bartenders don't make you drive , bartenders don't make you drink....

21 now you are supposed to be an adult

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#754 Jan 21, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with you there but feel there is responsibility and accountability on both.
We know guns kill, we know drunk drivers kill and we know that fat ppl at Mickey Dee's will have a heart attack and die at some point but..
for all of that alittle prevention would go along way...don't you think?
lol,, Im ALL for prevention! thats been my point from the beginning.. step back, take a deep breath, and look at the dynamics that cause these problems... so yes,,a little prevention goes a long way... but at the end of the day.. if I commited the crime.. I should pay..

Think about it, every restaurant in America has signs,,
Warning coffee is hot....
Think it was Wendys,,who originally fell prey to being responsible for hot coffe.... we are getting to the point of rediculous embarrassment..

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#755 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>
lol,, Im ALL for prevention! thats been my point from the beginning.. step back, take a deep breath, and look at the dynamics that cause these problems... so yes,,a little prevention goes a long way... but at the end of the day.. if I commited the crime.. I should pay..
Think about it, every restaurant in America has signs,,
Warning coffee is hot....
Think it was Wendys,,who originally fell prey to being responsible for hot coffe.... we are getting to the point of rediculous embarrassment..
Prevention and education. See Wendy's should have had a sign that said( yes stupid the coffee is hot and it will burn you)!!:)

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#756 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>
Every occupation comes with some "responsiblilty" so yes. I think it goes without saying, that bartenders should be cognizant enough to "cut off" a clearly intoxicated person... thats a no brainer... but lets face it..most drunks arent staggering and peeing themselves in a water puddle somewhere,, they leave bars, parties.. folks homes every day.. with a "slight" buzz..undetectable..you cant lay the responsibilty at the feet of those who "supply"
its not that easy.. in any issue... drunk drivers.. guns... fat folks who frequent Mcdonalds..somewhere along the line, you have to look at the person who commited the offense..and ask,,why...and call that person to accountability..
"I'm not drunk - I'm from Wisconsin."

The state of Wisconsin has the 6th most DUI's every year per capita in the United States. I know drunk driving - although I've never been arrested for it, I have plenty of friends that have. Personal responsibility aside, therein lies a certain responsibility of the drinking establishment to make sure everyone gets home safe. Wisconsin has Safe Ride - a free cab service provided 24-hours a day for people who should not be driving. Professional binge-drinkers up here pretty much are aware of the consequences of D&D. We actually have businesses that thrive on community rides such as limos and buses for group outings.

Just as you wouldn't knowingly sell a handgun to a convicted felon, you shouldn't be serving alcohol to someone who is obviously drunk - both selling points would indeed be held responsible, regardless of what anyone thinks "should" happen.

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#757 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>
lol,, Im ALL for prevention! thats been my point from the beginning.. step back, take a deep breath, and look at the dynamics that cause these problems... so yes,,a little prevention goes a long way... but at the end of the day.. if I commited the crime.. I should pay..
Think about it, every restaurant in America has signs,,
Warning coffee is hot....
Think it was Wendys,,who originally fell prey to being responsible for hot coffe.... we are getting to the point of rediculous embarrassment..
Prey? It was McDonalds. Watch the trailer for the documentary here. Then listen to some dumazz go on about 'tort reform' and how it's necessary to limit damages... then hope nothing every happens to you or your loved ones...

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#758 Jan 21, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> Prevention and education. See Wendy's should have had a sign that said( yes stupid the coffee is hot and it will burn you)!!:)
It was McDonald's.

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#759 Jan 21, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
"I'm not drunk - I'm from Wisconsin."
The state of Wisconsin has the 6th most DUI's every year per capita in the United States. I know drunk driving - although I've never been arrested for it, I have plenty of friends that have. Personal responsibility aside, therein lies a certain responsibility of the drinking establishment to make sure everyone gets home safe. Wisconsin has Safe Ride - a free cab service provided 24-hours a day for people who should not be driving. Professional binge-drinkers up here pretty much are aware of the consequences of D&D. We actually have businesses that thrive on community rides such as limos and buses for group outings.
Just as you wouldn't knowingly sell a handgun to a convicted felon, you shouldn't be serving alcohol to someone who is obviously drunk - both selling points would indeed be held responsible, regardless of what anyone thinks "should" happen.
Sounds like a community effort to take care of an issue.. I like this.. But it also appears it starts with zero tolerance of the offense...which is the beginning of fixing a problem....
I like :)

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#760 Jan 21, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
"I'm not drunk - I'm from Wisconsin."
The state of Wisconsin has the 6th most DUI's every year per capita in the United States. I know drunk driving - although I've never been arrested for it, I have plenty of friends that have. Personal responsibility aside, therein lies a certain responsibility of the drinking establishment to make sure everyone gets home safe. Wisconsin has Safe Ride - a free cab service provided 24-hours a day for people who should not be driving. Professional binge-drinkers up here pretty much are aware of the consequences of D&D. We actually have businesses that thrive on community rides such as limos and buses for group outings.
Just as you wouldn't knowingly sell a handgun to a convicted felon, you shouldn't be serving alcohol to someone who is obviously drunk - both selling points would indeed be held responsible, regardless of what anyone thinks "should" happen.
Ohio also has ( care cab) and others ways to get home.

I'm no stranger to buzz driving, I've done it. I don't anymore.
I live in the country on a farm and after coming home from a party one night after having way to much Jack Daniels, jello shots and thinking I was fine to drive I almost hit 3 deer who jumped out in front of my Cadi, locking up the brakes, throwing my passed out passanger in the floor of my backseat and scaring the bajebbers out of me I swore if I made it home I'd never do it again and I didn't. I could have killed someone that night or myself..

I learned my lesson some never do...

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#761 Jan 21, 2013
Posted this on another forum

• THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT I HAVE EVER READ As the Supreme Court heard arguments for and against the Chicago , IL Gun Ban, this man offered you another stellar example of a letter (written by a Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a civilized society. Interesting take and one you don't hear much...... Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter.... "The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act. By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.) So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

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#762 Jan 21, 2013
flack wrote:
<quoted text> It was McDonald's.
It really doesn't matter where it was, it's the point that we're making here.:)

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#763 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like a community effort to take care of an issue.. I like this.. But it also appears it starts with zero tolerance of the offense...which is the beginning of fixing a problem....
I like :)
Zero tolerance is post-root cause effective. All that means is that you go to jail on your first offense. We have folks up here that served jail time on their second offense and third and fourth, etc. Alcoholism is a desease. Alcoholics do not see their affliction as a problem at all. I've known people that have been clean for 10 years and slip off the wagon just like that ***snapping fingers***.

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#764 Jan 22, 2013
We need to find out how most people died in the past few years. By cars, by disease, and now by hammer.

If too many are dying of diseases - let's outlaw that!

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#765 Jan 22, 2013
Murder, drugs, prostitution, child abuse and pedophilia are banned, look how good that has worked.
Alcohol WAS banned, look at how that turned out.

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#766 Jan 22, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
Murder, drugs, prostitution, child abuse and pedophilia are banned, look how good that has worked.
Alcohol WAS banned, look at how that turned out.
I'd be careful when comparing a Constitutional right with pedophilia, murder and child abuse. Neither are rights. Child abuse and murder has never been a right - on the contrary, it has always been a crime - albeit a sometimes overlooked crime. The same for pedophilia. Banning all firearms is not the answer - but without trying it no one can make the assertation that it would never work.

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#767 Jan 22, 2013
M69 there's some method to her madness +'i' like her MOTTO:“ASPIRE 2 INSPIRE B4 U EXPIRE”

Regardless of what laws are passed (even if they're inforced)[LOL], people that have 'weird desires' will find ways to fill them. Unfortunately that too is a part of "OUR" freedom!

If he hadn't have had the Bush rifle he might have bombed the entire school-terrorist do that you know?

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#768 Jan 22, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
Murder, drugs, prostitution, child abuse and pedophilia are banned, look how good that has worked.
Alcohol WAS banned, look at how that turned out.
Oh great- now you want to legalize those things too!

Oh- "decriminalize"...

That's so much better...

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