Are shootings getting more publicity ...

Are shootings getting more publicity than usual

Created by MoonDancing on Jan 11, 2013

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Yes, it's getting sick

because the world is SICKER

because it sells...

for an agenda

do watch the news because of it

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#732 Jan 20, 2013
reebie wrote:
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Dont know what the first part of your comment was in refernce to? you lost me...
2nd part. I know they are pizzed. and justly so. but fire with fire? and intimidation... protest all day long.. do your thing.. carry your flag...use your voice for what you feel is the greater good.... but dont walk up to me , stand in front of me, demand my attention.. stare at me.. and try to intimidate...( I didnt buy guns and ammo to supply an army, I bought pecans )... that is not peace.. nor is it the answer to the problem.. my point is, whatever the outcome...the nuts have the floor on both sides because they are the loudest...If one person at that show with a gun, would have chosen to "stare back" at the protester.. THAT would have been what made the news...as it stands, seems as if the shoppers went on about their biz....no drama.... it is what it is..
First part was ripping on the Fox crowd that tries so hard to portray liberals as ultra-violent thugs- the kind of folks who would try to intimidate genteel gun shoppers, mild mannerly exercising their 2nd Amendment obligation. That amuses me.

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#733 Jan 20, 2013
reebie wrote:
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Dont know what the first part of your comment was in refernce to? you lost me...
2nd part. I know they are pizzed. and justly so. but fire with fire? and intimidation... protest all day long.. do your thing.. carry your flag...use your voice for what you feel is the greater good.... but dont walk up to me , stand in front of me, demand my attention.. stare at me.. and try to intimidate...( I didnt buy guns and ammo to supply an army, I bought pecans )... that is not peace.. nor is it the answer to the problem.. my point is, whatever the outcome...the nuts have the floor on both sides because they are the loudest...If one person at that show with a gun, would have chosen to "stare back" at the protester.. THAT would have been what made the news...as it stands, seems as if the shoppers went on about their biz....no drama.... it is what it is..
Don't worry about it...ferryman is and has been lost forever...people are pizzed not because 'more guns are the answer' they are pizzed because guns are even being blamed...nary a word about the victims or the idiot shooter...just the tool. The cause takes a back seat. as it always does when the govt offers a solution...as if. Agenda is politics and media..but you already know this... and watch the steerage..It will always go to the direction of making 'you' feel something ..poetry in the eyes of the agenda driven. Our personal ferryman is one of the biggest tools they have...and there are millions of ferrymans in that lineup..all jockeying for the lemming position of 'first'..

The view from the cliff is just awe inspiring...!
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#734 Jan 20, 2013
justaguess wrote:
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Don't worry about it...ferryman is and has been lost forever...people are pizzed not because 'more guns are the answer' they are pizzed because guns are even being blamed...nary a word about the victims or the idiot shooter...just the tool. The cause takes a back seat. as it always does when the govt offers a solution...as if. Agenda is politics and media..but you already know this... and watch the steerage..It will always go to the direction of making 'you' feel something ..poetry in the eyes of the agenda driven. Our personal ferryman is one of the biggest tools they have...and there are millions of ferrymans in that lineup..all jockeying for the lemming position of 'first'..
The view from the cliff is just awe inspiring...!
:)
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#735 Jan 20, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>^^^meeeeooowwwww^^^ <hic>
You receive way more respect than you really deserve on here. Dumbass.

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#736 Jan 20, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>^^^meeeeooowwwww^^^ <hic>
Hey, how's the view..??

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not behind us.

#737 Jan 20, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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using that logic, why do you need a car that goes faster than 80 miles and hour, lets put limiters on them. Why do you need cars that seat more than 4 people, if you need more seats, the government will provide the transportation. Since it is a "lethal weapon" (your words) then no one should object to a background check to insure that the purchaser or user has never been arrested/convicted for a DUI, or assault, or spousal abuse,or a felony, or drug use, or had a history of mental illness. After all, it is about the safety of the general public. So lets take away the rights of the general public, to save the general public. Surely you won't mind giving up your vehicle for the common good.
Better yet, how about if we just make it illegal for those with a history of mental illness or drug use or felony to own or carry or use a gun,......wait, we already do that, and the ,mentally ill, drug users and felons still get guns.
After reading your post with much thought I have decided to pose the question to you then since you know so much about guns.My question to you is.... Do you you think America has a warped way of thinking when it comes to guns? Did you know that there are more gun shops in America than Pharmacies?. I dont know about you but I find that disturbing to say the least.

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#738 Jan 21, 2013
it isn't the gun but the who ....

A 15- year- old boy remained in custody Sunday ... family and employees react after a shooting at Cafe Racer ... Teenager Kills 5 People In New Mexico Shooting.

blame the boy , yes , but shouldn't the owner of the gun be also punished ??????????

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#739 Jan 21, 2013
Wolfganged wrote:
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After reading your post with much thought I have decided to pose the question to you then since you know so much about guns.My question to you is.... Do you you think America has a warped way of thinking when it comes to guns? Did you know that there are more gun shops in America than Pharmacies?. I dont know about you but I find that disturbing to say the least.
No, I don't think it is warped. it is a part of our history, a part of our heritage and it is what bought us our freedom to become the greatest nation in history. The ownership and use of guns is guaranteed to us by our founding documents, and because so many people want and need guns, entrepreneurs see a market and provide for that need. If our culture did not desire guns, then the gun shops would dry up. It does not disturb me in the least.

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#740 Jan 21, 2013
ha ha ha must be the owner ..... ha ha
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#741 Jan 21, 2013
tallyho wrote:
it isn't the gun but the who ....
A 15- year- old boy remained in custody Sunday ... family and employees react after a shooting at Cafe Racer ... Teenager Kills 5 People In New Mexico Shooting.
blame the boy , yes , but shouldn't the owner of the gun be also punished ??????????
Thats the same logic as holding a Bar responsible for allowing a drunken individual to leave their establishment under the influence..
Accountability lies at the offenders doorstep.. not everyone who drives by, and visits...

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#742 Jan 21, 2013
I'm all about our Constitutional Rights but... our founding fathers had no idea about AR-15's when that was written nor do I believe they had a vision of our nation our country, the United States being what it has become.

There are many reasons, social, economic, political etc why we're where we are at but the fact remains something needs to be done.

Opinions vary on this....and how to solve this obvious out of control problem that faces us as a nation.

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#743 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>Thats the same logic as holding a Bar responsible for allowing a drunken individual to leave their establishment under the influence..
Accountability lies at the offenders doorstep.. not everyone who drives by, and visits...
It is also your responsibility if he leaves your house over the leagal limit and runs over a family of 5.

It's the law. Agreed, responsibility ultimately lies on the shoulders of the drunk driver - but that hasn't worked ever - going back to the introduction of the automobile.

Drunk drivers do not intentionally go out to murder anybody.

Unfortunately, the family of 5 doesn't go out with the intention of being murdered either.

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#744 Jan 21, 2013
THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT I HAVE EVER READ

As the Supreme Court heard arguments for and against the Chicago , IL Gun
Ban, this man offered you another stellar example of a letter (written by a
Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a
civilized society.

Interesting take and one you don't hear much......

Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last
paragraph of the letter....

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either
convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of
force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
without exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through
persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and
the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason
and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or
employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal
footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with
a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload
of drunken guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between
a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force
equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all
guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a
[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's
potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative
fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful
living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal
force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with
a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works
solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both
are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian
as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as
a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot
be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because
it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who
would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would
do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why
carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed
and can only be persuaded, never forced.

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#745 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>Thats the same logic as holding a Bar responsible for allowing a drunken individual to leave their establishment under the influence..
Accountability lies at the offenders doorstep.. not everyone who drives by, and visits...
excuse me you are held responsible to child safe your home , period ..... cleaning goods/medicines/ don't firearms fall under this category ... child safe isn't just for those who live there but those who drive by
remember this :
THE WORLD WILL NOT BE UNDONE BY EVIL DOERS , BUT BY THOSE WHO STAND AND WATCH .....

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#746 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>Thats the same logic as holding a Bar responsible for allowing a drunken individual to leave their establishment under the influence..
Accountability lies at the offenders doorstep.. not everyone who drives by, and visits...
now on the drunk driver... asking a bartender to render a medical opinion is idiotic....

why does a police officers have to summit a sobriety test
a witnessed sobriety test ... if one can just on what is drunk

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#747 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>Thats the same logic as holding a Bar responsible for allowing a drunken individual to leave their establishment under the influence..
Accountability lies at the offenders doorstep.. not everyone who drives by, and visits...
Not always because sometimes the bar IS part of the problem. If they knowingly serve minors or intoxicated people, they do share liability. If they don't, they aren't liable.

But, encouraging aberrant behavior or enabling it should warrant punishment. It'd be like absolving the banks from any culpability in the housing scandal because they just happened to profit (immensely!) from the duplicity of unsophisticated home buyers who took advantage of banking professionals at a time when they were very vulnerable...to making money.

So, we can't just say every child who commits murder with a gun is solely responsible for their actions when they are actually using the product as it is intended to be used. The guns should have been locked up.
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#748 Jan 21, 2013
I said holding a bar responsible fellas!! Not what happens in a home...!!
But you surely dont condone molly coddling a drunk driver, and taking away his personal responsiblity,,while allowing some poor smchuck business owner to help sholder his wrecklessnes... good lord!! NO ONE!! wants to take responsiblity for their own actions...
Its not my fault,, my sisters hairdressers boyfriends uncles mother in law....
ohh well,.,.,.,.

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#749 Jan 21, 2013
reebie wrote:
<quoted text>Thats the same logic as holding a Bar responsible for allowing a drunken individual to leave their establishment under the influence..
Accountability lies at the offenders doorstep.. not everyone who drives by, and visits...
Hi Reebie, I have enjoyed our giggles as of late but I would like to flip this question on you.

Say you were the bartender and the person sitting there was obviously in no condition to drive. As in couldn't talk or walk well, nodding out on the bar etc. and they left at closing time.
Before getting home safe ran a stop sign and killed a family who had been out late at the grandparents house because they were making homemade ice cream, playing scrabble and watching a Disney movie. Mom, dad, children and the family pet are now dead.

Don't you think if you had said, hey I'm cutting you off and calling you a cab or someone to take you home safe so you can come back and be with us another day that the family killed would not have been.

Would you feel no responsibility for that when it could have been prefented?

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#750 Jan 21, 2013
Prevented^^^^ sorry..
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#751 Jan 21, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> Hi Reebie, I have enjoyed our giggles as of late but I would like to flip this question on you.
Say you were the bartender and the person sitting there was obviously in no condition to drive. As in couldn't talk or walk well, nodding out on the bar etc. and they left at closing time.
Before getting home safe ran a stop sign and killed a family who had been out late at the grandparents house because they were making homemade ice cream, playing scrabble and watching a Disney movie. Mom, dad, children and the family pet are now dead.
Don't you think if you had said, hey I'm cutting you off and calling you a cab or someone to take you home safe so you can come back and be with us another day that the family killed would not have been.
Would you feel no responsibility for that when it could have been prefented?
Every occupation comes with some "responsiblilty" so yes. I think it goes without saying, that bartenders should be cognizant enough to "cut off" a clearly intoxicated person... thats a no brainer... but lets face it..most drunks arent staggering and peeing themselves in a water puddle somewhere,, they leave bars, parties.. folks homes every day.. with a "slight" buzz..undetectable..you cant lay the responsibilty at the feet of those who "supply"
its not that easy.. in any issue... drunk drivers.. guns... fat folks who frequent Mcdonalds..somewhere along the line, you have to look at the person who commited the offense..and ask,,why...and call that person to accountability..

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