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Lost in the alleged rape and then suicide of a MU swimmer is the duty to protect all students

There are 101 comments on the The Kansas City Star story from Jan 29, 2014, titled Lost in the alleged rape and then suicide of a MU swimmer is the duty to protect all students. In it, The Kansas City Star reports that:

The apparent shrugging off of university responsibility quickly became one of the most overlooked aspects of the complicated and troubling story of Sasha Menu Courey.

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“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#99 Feb 2, 2014
Islander wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry darlin' TS TG I get them confused. Still I read much about it over the years in journals and such and am just not convinced about it. Sorry just havn't seen anyting that proves that girls are born into a boys body or vice-versa. Not going to get into an arguement about it. Nor do I really care what people do. Still I have seen nothing that actually proves it to be a genuine link of such things. I still believe it is in the head. I don't really agree that sex change surgeries are the proper or healthy way to deal with it. But that is my opinion and anyone is entitled to do whatever they want and live without me really judging them as a person. I may even find it somewhat creepy but that's my problem to deal with.
I won't argue about it, just share the theories and my depth on the topic. I don't think of the surgeries as "sex changes," since they don't change who you are. If a person is already a woman inside the wrong body, they would automatically hate what is below. The problem is, most who claim to be "women" inside are not feminine enough to even want the surgery.

On the kids, the media is calling most of the TS kids TGs, though not sure of their motives. Most TGism would start after puberty, and is erotically-motivated or a fetish. It starts that late, though the seed was planted sooner. The TG kids were either caught crossdressing or was forced to do so, then repressed it, then went back to it after puberty.

The TS kids, however, "knew" they were girls since age 4 or before. Nobody ever told them they were, they just knew it, and were bewildered when called the other. And if you tell them it has to do with the junk, they will ask what that has to do with it. They only see it in terms of feelings, how they want to dress, the activities, etc. How would you like to be told that everything you naturally like most is for the other gender and that you are the wrong gender to want to do such things? If true-TSism were social, there would be less of them, since they are treated very harshly (a common gay argument is why choose to be gay if all you get is hate), and parents try to beat it out of them.

I know an intersexed person whose father had a surgeon mutilate her into a boy and robbed her forever of her chance to give birth, and he beat her every time she did the least feminine thing. He even paid people to attack her for no reason, and she learned to play dirty - so she disfigured, blinded, or maimed quite a few for her own protection. She learned to play the macho game better than men, and yet never understood it, and hated herself as she did it. So even to this day as middle-aged and wracked with pain, she prays others won't mess with her, for her own protection. It is like military training - it never leaves. She got fired from jobs for "not being one of the guys," meaning she didn't put up with sexism nor rape conspiracy talk. "Hey, you gonna go along with us? We can drug her drink and we can all take turns..." So speaking out against that sort of thing made her unpopular with quite a redneck crowd.

Like I said, the EEGs and CT scans don't lie, and TSism is a symptom of prenatal exposure to DES and other drugs. Most "genuine TSs" are over 40-50. DES was banned in 1970. Even RoundUp, finasteride, dutasteride, and other chemicals are connected. If you actually have a female soul and brain, there is no way to undo that, and thus hormones and surgery are the only salvation for those individuals. Dr. Harry Benjamin figured that out. I believe "reparative therapy" would only help the TGs who don't want the surgery. Obviously, their conditions are weaker. I met one "former TS," who tried such a program. But I could tell it did no good. So they went back to dressing as a man and married a woman, but I still felt a strong female presence. He faced no better results than most who claim to be "ex-gay." The desires were still there.
Talnova

United States

#100 Feb 2, 2014
Wow, someone is so in denial still, and making long-winded statements does not detract from the falsehoods being represented here. I believe many know the truth, or at the least the gist of the truth.
Sorry SP, PG, etc., but after all the dancing around and leading many on, on here, you can't speak truths concerning yourself. Keep that in mind while you continuously judge and reprimand others. Look in the mirror more often, that's the least you can offer.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

Level 8

Since: Apr 09

Spotted World

#101 Feb 2, 2014
Talnova wrote:
Wow, someone is so in denial still, and making long-winded statements does not detract from the falsehoods being represented here. I believe many know the truth, or at the least the gist of the truth.
Sorry SP, PG, etc., but after all the dancing around and leading many on, on here, you can't speak truths concerning yourself. Keep that in mind while you continuously judge and reprimand others. Look in the mirror more often, that's the least you can offer.
There are no falsehoods, SG is my only identity, and I am not here to speak about any person. I am here ONLY to vent, express myself, and share ideas in an impersonal, detached manner. Ideas only, never people. People are a dime a dozen, but beliefs, principles, ideas, and convictions last forever. Nobody here has a right to know about me nor any other person. I never lead anyone, merely share my feelings and opinions as what I find to be true, and only for my own benefit. What others take from it is clearly up to them.

I never judge any specific person nor reprimand anyone unless they wrong me first. My life does not revolve around others and thus everyone else is irrelevant to me unless they disrespect me or intrude into my life. I believe in being passive and keeping to yourself unless provoked or pushed, and then it would be wrong to do nothing.

Now what did I ever directly do to you first? Not other people which is not your business, nor even hypothetical groups, but you? If I was never mean to you first, then you have no right to be so to me. Fair is fair, and since you were the first to mention mirrors, you would probably do best to go there more yourself. Just friendly advice, and I am sure you are a good person with a friendly side.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Since: Apr 09

Spotted World

#102 Feb 2, 2014
Talnova wrote:
Wow, someone is so in denial still, and making long-winded statements does not detract from the falsehoods being represented here. I believe many know the truth, or at the least the gist of the truth.
Sorry SP, PG, etc., but after all the dancing around and leading many on, on here, you can't speak truths concerning yourself. Keep that in mind while you continuously judge and reprimand others. Look in the mirror more often, that's the least you can offer.
Whether I am in denial or not or have ANY other defect is NOBODY'S business. Nothing I say or do has anything to do with you. So please run along.

Only those who are foolish or hate themselves share ANY accurate information about themselves online in a mere social context. Online you are supposed to be able to be who you want, and respectful people will take you at face value. There are some things that are immoral to tell about oneself, and immoral to even want to know in others. It is stupid when someone gives their race or orientation online and then complains when they receive the criticism they earn by doing so. If you have fine china you don't want broken, you don't hand it to just anyone.

Just because I have certain friends and an interest in certain materials, that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with me or that I must be whatever too. Not everyone that has friends with cancer or knows a lot about cancer has cancer. Care providers and the general public know too and have such friends.

“....VETS”

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Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#103 Feb 2, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether I am in denial or not or have ANY other defect is NOBODY'S business. Nothing I say or do has anything to do with you. So please run along.
Only those who are foolish or hate themselves share ANY accurate information about themselves online in a mere social context. Online you are supposed to be able to be who you want, and respectful people will take you at face value. There are some things that are immoral to tell about oneself, and immoral to even want to know in others. It is stupid when someone gives their race or orientation online and then complains when they receive the criticism they earn by doing so. If you have fine china you don't want broken, you don't hand it to just anyone.
Just because I have certain friends and an interest in certain materials, that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with me or that I must be whatever too. Not everyone that has friends with cancer or knows a lot about cancer has cancer. Care providers and the general public know too and have such friends.
people turn a blind eye to cancer , it is perceived as an evil .. hush hush and pray it disappears .... that also works with life itself...

like rape/child molesting etc etc ....

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#106 Feb 2, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey loon, because attacking someone else's logic or ideas is well within bounds. It is the expected course of debate. It's clearly nutty to suggest that sort of exchange is "disrespectful." It's the claim of a disturbed control freeek.
And finding fault with someone's logic (or ideas) is the exact opposite of personal invective, such as mocking a person as inherently being an insane joke.
They are the same, and anyone brought up properly would not do either. What did your mother do instead of raise you and discipline nonessential behaviors out of you?

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#108 Feb 2, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey nutcase, saying, "there's a problem with the logic in your argument," is not the same as saying, "you're one crazy sum of a biatch."
For those who care about not using invective the distinction between attacking someone's ideas versus attacking someone personally is sacrosanct.
Everyone knows this, your unhinged bleatings notwithstanding.
It is still disrespectful, period. I have the right to believe that. I have never once accused anyone of having a flawed argument, and I deserve the SAME respect back.
Ghost Of Freud

Findlay, OH

#109 Feb 2, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey nutcase, saying, "there's a problem with the logic in your argument," is not the same as saying, "you're one crazy sum of a biatch."
For those who care about not using invective the distinction between attacking someone's ideas versus attacking someone personally is sacrosanct.
Everyone knows this, your unhinged bleatings notwithstanding.
You're an angrylittlefaggot, aren't you? Did your Xanax prescription run out again, or is it the lack of mangina cream?
Truth

United States

#112 Feb 2, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
They are the same, and anyone brought up properly would not do either. What did your mother do instead of raise you and discipline nonessential behaviors out of you?
You need to realize nobody in the world could or would be raised right according to you. Your convoluted sense of right and and wrong is believed and understood only by you. These rules of conduct you make up are not how the real world works or has it ever.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#113 Feb 2, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that's the whole point: Other people need not be bound by your insane theories and demands.
Demands such as never criticizing someone's logic, such as never replying to their posts, such as never referring to similar (or contradicting) BS they posted in other threads.
You don't understand, when someone doesn't do something first to you, you never do it to them. What I say to OTHERS on here is not your business.

And when someone nicely asks you not to do something no matter what, you never do it. That is what every decent human does. It doesn't matter how insane you pretend it is. It is not about you.

I didn't say not to criticize anyone's logic, just to never say it is flawed.

It is wrong to bully people between threads. What I say in each thread it tailored to that thread. Every good person is capable of giving the other a clean slate each time. I've never once brought up what you said in the past anywhere, because I don't own you and thus have no right to keep track of you. If you think I am contradicting, it is mainly because you are unable to catch the differences in context or the finer meanings of words. So why are you unable to take each post a person says by itself and care about the information without caring about the person? Only a stalker or other defective person cares what someone said in the past. Just treat everyone you meet on here constantly as strangers like I do and never get attached. I am here ONLY to vent and share what I feel at each time, but you like to lock people into the past and refuse to give them space to grow.

Is FTW/Islander one of your aliases? If not, why do you care about what I say ONLY to him? It is between us, and it is how NORMAL people negotiate and handle things. I have never once intervened in a fight between two other people as that is wrong and never my business.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#114 Feb 2, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text> You need to realize nobody in the world could or would be raised right according to you. Your convoluted sense of right and and wrong is believed and understood only by you. These rules of conduct you make up are not how the real world works or has it ever.
That is your concern, why?

Did I once disrespectfully label you or anything about you convoluted?

I know everything that any child with a good mother would know. It is very simple:

1. Don't ever do anything to others first, but defend yourself if they do to you first.
2. Do not ever label another person, ever, nor anything about them. Traits about others or how they do things is nobody else's business.
3. Don't be negative.
4. In most places and situations, don't try to get to know others nor care what they do, but treat them forever as strangers, giving them respect and space each time.
5. Never keep track of others or notice mere strangers.
6. Never get involved in OTHER PEOPLE'S disputes. If it is bad, the go to an authority.
7. Live and let live, but defend yourself if they invade your space or disrespect you first.

All but two I've heeded all the time.
Islander

Livonia, NY

#116 Feb 2, 2014
Damn, you two are still at it?!

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#118 Feb 2, 2014
Islander wrote:
Damn, you two are still at it?!
He is. I will keep posting until he leaves me alone.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#119 Feb 2, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you know she has multiple personality disorder. Are you trying to be funny by referring to that poster and myself as "two"?
Because I don't see the humor.
I don't live in NYC, and that is FTW from the other threads. You must feel that any two who disagree with you are the same person. Have you seen anyone about that?

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#120 Feb 2, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, your premise here is completely insane.
Just because you (claim to) adhere to some unbalanced notions of behavior online or in debates does not mean others must adhere to them.
You're free never to criticize the logic of someone's argument - which you do all the time, by the way, as in your current screed here - because it's "disrespectful" to do so.
You're not entitled to demand that other do the same thing...that you don't do yourself anyway.
But your nuttiness and all your monikers over the years have been breathtaking.
I never said anyone had to do anything, just not to me.

I do criticize the logic of others arguments, but I have never labeled the arguments as anything. You confuse criticizing the logic of others which I never criticized with using attack words against someone's logic (which is a permanent and unchanging part of a person).

Notice the difference:

1. "Your logic is insane."

2. "Most sane people would disagree with you."

The first one applies labels, and the second doesn't, and the same point is made. You seem impaired in your ability to see subtle differences. I have never used the exact wording that other poster used. I have never said, "Your logic is flawed" which is always wrong to say. Instead, I simply state what I feel is correct without calling them wrong. See person A is supposed to share what they feel, in a way that is detached from everything else, then person B is supposed to share that they feel, in a way that is detached, and without attacking or criticizing the person themselves nor their style or logic. Lets say person A says the sky is green. Now which is the best way to respond?

1. "Actually the sky is blue."
2. "You are stupid, the sky is blue, not green, you retard!"
3. "Your understanding is wrong. The sky is blue."

Number one addresses the comment without addressing the person. Number two is just plain rude. Number three is redundant, and there is no need to point out anyone's understanding or how wrong it it, since their understanding is their business, not yours. The wrong information is all that needs addressed, not the person.

I have no problem with disagreement nor the finding flaws part, just certain specific wordings. Each groupings of words has standard ways that people react to them attached. It is not about feeling offended, but saying things that are generally recognized as offensive by most. I don't find you to be in touch with how most people react or feel. And it seems you have a problem with assertive women. Do you have mother issues?

It is each person's duty to express their wishes and assert themselves by objecting to things they find immoral or disrespectful. When any person expresses a preference or expresses certain wishes, all normal and polite people try to respect them. If they cannot comply, they simply refuse to speak to the person. They do not do insane things like call them names or accuse them of being insane nor publicly label them in any way. Show me a person who labels others, and I will show you someone who had bad parents that didn't discipline that out of them.

Actually, I do what I expect. Every time I do any of those things, they were done to me first, thus removing any obligation to avoid them from me. Or, I was addressing an impersonal, hypothetical group, and never addressing ANY specific person. Every rule has an exception. Notice the other party called my ideas flawed first, and I never did it to him first. Any seeming attack from me was caused by his behavior in the same thread, and while directly posting to me.

I never call anyone cretins nor insane, but you do, thus making me better than you, and earning me more respect than you deserve. I have never once tried to keep tabs on you nor control what you say to other people like you have done to others.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

Level 8

Since: Apr 09

Spotted World

#121 Feb 2, 2014
Or take this:

1. You are wrong.
2. I disagree.

Which is better? The first one labels and blames, Then second merely states a personal preference. Could it be that people often use the first because they have no "soul" or don't know themselves? If there is no person inside of them, then they would have no preferences to express.

Or what about these?

1. You diseased mentally ill closeted cretin reprobate christarded idiot.
2. I disagree with you.
3. <Scrolls down, not wasting breath.>

Which of those are the best? I say either of the last 2, since they show more restraint, maturity, and respect of cultural norms.

Maybe we need to start a thread.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

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Spotted World

#122 Feb 2, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, your premise here is completely insane.
Just because you (claim to) adhere to some unbalanced notions of behavior online or in debates does not mean others must adhere to them.
You're free never to criticize the logic of someone's argument - which you do all the time, by the way, as in your current screed here - because it's "disrespectful" to do so.
You're not entitled to demand that other do the same thing...that you don't do yourself anyway.
But your nuttiness and all your monikers over the years have been breathtaking.
I have only used one single moniker the entire time I used Topix no matter what you think. You seem to be projecting.

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#123 Feb 3, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that's the whole point: Other people need not be bound by your insane theories and demands.
Demands such as never criticizing someone's logic, such as never replying to their posts, such as never referring to similar (or contradicting) BS they posted in other threads.
obviously nothing like you are doing here /there/everywhere

you love to twist to fit your thinking , surprised you aren't on Obama's board

you argued with every one here /there/everywhere

I CAN SEE YOU ARE NOT..NOT ALLOWED ANYTHING SHARP AND INCLUDES YOUR MIND

Slack please come back ..... GENO is a totally idiot

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#124 Feb 3, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
I have only used one single moniker the entire time I used Topix no matter what you think. You seem to be projecting.
atta gal great posting through out

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#127 Feb 3, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
<quoted text>
Burp. We know, it was the sterno talkin'.
ok using your, ignorance as your logic ... I will be sober , but you still will be stupid .....

and Spotted has pounded ya down , but good

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