Lost in the alleged rape and then sui...

Lost in the alleged rape and then suicide of a MU swimmer is the duty to protect all students

There are 102 comments on the The Kansas City Star story from Jan 29, 2014, titled Lost in the alleged rape and then suicide of a MU swimmer is the duty to protect all students. In it, The Kansas City Star reports that:

The apparent shrugging off of university responsibility quickly became one of the most overlooked aspects of the complicated and troubling story of Sasha Menu Courey.

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#50 Feb 1, 2014
Islander wrote:
<quoted text>Well that sounds well horrible. All genetic engineering does. Not to mention females have their own forms of mental abnormalities and problems that they are more prone too. Hell if were going to go thast route. Let's get rid of the X and Y gene sex orientation. There are other sex genes in nature. Lets just engineer ourselves around a whole neww set of sex genes. Oh yeah because if we engineer our genes then the outcomes are no longer true humans. Just human like monsters.
That is even scarier. What I suggested would likely reduce most of sex-linked diseases and provide more prefrontal cortex in the brain for males than currently. For all we know, both types of sex chromosomes may have been only off by a few genes. But nobody knows.

I am curious of the implications on sexual orientation and on violence. I imagine, with better judgement, there would be less violence. If you can speed up the processing in the parts of the brain that helps resolve problems, then you could see more of your options before reacting.

As for "monsters," as long as the monsters are well-behaved and know how to treat each other.

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#51 Feb 1, 2014
Again, Spotted Girl is the only ID I use.
Islander

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#53 Feb 1, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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Enses, molestation, nor non-penetrative sexual abuse), then why do many more men do it than women? There has to be something wrong to create this divide. Going with your theory, does that mean that males are naturally much more insecure that females? I see the "male ego" as a liability, or at least a responsibility. I believe there are brain differences between genders. And look at kids. Guess which gender are more likely to stutter, or more likely to need medication to sit still and learn?
Damn I a post for this but I deleated it on accident.
Well I just don't believe you could do what you say to the point that the person would just sheepishly sit in bed all day as you put it. I think you'd only create a dangerous sociopath waiting to explode and maybe even help create what you are trying to destroy. As for the self esteem? Self-esteem is always good as long as it is earned. It's the " Everybody is special" we are all winners" Everyone who palys gets a trophy" BS form of self esteem that is dangerous and creates narcassists and psycho's. Self-esteem should only come from accomplishments and success. Not just feel great about yourself because your the best you, you can be crap.
The reason for boys not sitting still in class is multi-faceted. One problem is that many teacherds are just plain lazy and rather just push pills =on parents for the kids instead of having to deal. Yes boys are louder and more rambunctious on average than girls( unless the current boy band is around then the roles are revearsed). That brings me to the other cause of this. Early on education was optimized towards teaching boys. This is when boys excelled over girls in the classroom. Since the sixties we have been recreating teaching methods towards girls inorder to close that old gap. What has happend is current teaching models are optimized towards teaching girls. So now the girls do better than the boys. The flaw is not in either gender here. The flaw is in the education model that tries to teach both genders in the same way. We really should have single gender classes and/or schools. That way we can teach each gender in the best ways that each one learns in. But no, we just try to create this one size fits all model that has always failed to properly teach both sexes at the same time. Teachers unions and schools are a big player in this problem because they refuse to except these facts in order to extract the most personal gain from their jobs.
The fact that men rape more often than women is related to masculinity but that does not mean it is the cause of it. We as males (true for all warm blooded) are judged by ourselves, other men, and women based on our sexual prowess. When a male has certain character flaws rape is often how those flaws manifest. Now women just as often have these same flaws but their nature causes them to manifest them differently. They may not rape but they victimize and hurt others none the less. Also it is the just the fact that so many men and women both equally help support the notion that men cannot control themselves. Now I know when most say that, they really don't mean that when it applies to rape. None the less when a severely flawed and mentally deranged person is led to believe that most people feel that men cannot help themselves in any way when it comes to sex. Well it is pretty easy for that person to take that to mean rape is just a man doing man stuff. These are sick and twisted people who twist OUR words OUR thoughts OUR logic to justify their terrible acts. Many women victimize others in horrible ways through these means, just not by rape so to speak.
Also maybe rape is just indicative to flawed psychopaths of the culturally dominate sex. Maybe men rape more than women just because of the perceived superiority that men have in our culture. Maybe if women take over and become the stronger societal force thins will be the other way around. Just a thought>

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#54 Feb 1, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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I was referring to the other personalities.
LOL!!!!!
Islander

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#55 Feb 1, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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That is even scarier. What I suggested would likely reduce most of sex-linked diseases and provide more prefrontal cortex in the brain for males than currently. For all we know, both types of sex chromosomes may have been only off by a few genes. But nobody knows.
I am curious of the implications on sexual orientation and on violence. I imagine, with better judgement, there would be less violence. If you can speed up the processing in the parts of the brain that helps resolve problems, then you could see more of your options before reacting.
As for "monsters," as long as the monsters are well-behaved and know how to treat each other.
Your entitled to your opinion but I think it is just dangerous and very likely to bring their own set of problems that would cancel out any benefits. Most likely a whole slew of new genetic diseases that we have no experience detecting or treating. Technology is great but we are becoming way to dependent on ti to solve all our problems. Especially if your like me and believe that a big problem is the fact that people are not utilizing or exercising all our abilities we are given too us by nature. I think we as humans sell ourselves short very often.

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#57 Feb 1, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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You laughed, but some of your other personalities may react violently.
This is my only personality. Enjoy your evening.

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#59 Feb 1, 2014
Islander wrote:
<quoted text>Your entitled to your opinion but I think it is just dangerous and very likely to bring their own set of problems that would cancel out any benefits. Most likely a whole slew of new genetic diseases that we have no experience detecting or treating. Technology is great but we are becoming way to dependent on ti to solve all our problems. Especially if your like me and believe that a big problem is the fact that people are not utilizing or exercising all our abilities we are given too us by nature. I think we as humans sell ourselves short very often.
I really have no opinion as of yet. I think that was how things originally were. What if the word "ribs" in the Bible is a misinterpretation of the word chromosome?

The new diseases would only be if the process is flawed or if greed or agendas entered the picture. I was first naive to the dangers of genetically engineering plants. If we only kept it to selective breeding, it would not be so bad.

I am against a lot of the food-related tampering. A part of the problem is that everyone doing the research wants to treat it like computer code, so they put termination code in so you cannot reuse the seeds.

Remember the Griffith experiment? Infecting mice with rough strained bacteria didn't produce significant sickness. Injecting them with dead smooth strain bacteria was also harmless. But what if you inject them with both? You get dead mice. The rough bacteria somehow incorporated the genetic code of the dead smooth bacteria and transformed into the deadly smooth bacteria. So, what might inserting genes that cause sterility in plants do to humans? Sure, we are a complex organism, but what if the genetic process itself is targeted in a non-species specific way? So "suicide seeds" could impact the entire human race.

I certainly agree with your closing statement. I will try to reply to your other post soon.

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#60 Feb 1, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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Sure, but which one am I corresponding with?
The only one I have.

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#61 Feb 1, 2014
Islander wrote:
<quoted text>Damn I a post for this but I deleated it on accident.
Well I just don't believe you could do what you say to the point that the person would just sheepishly sit in bed all day as you put it. I think you'd only create a dangerous sociopath waiting to explode and maybe even help create what you are trying to destroy. As for the self esteem? Self-esteem is always good as long as it is earned. It's the " Everybody is special" we are all winners" Everyone who palys gets a trophy" BS form of self esteem that is dangerous and creates narcassists and psycho's. Self-esteem should only come from accomplishments and success. Not just feel great about yourself because your the best you, you can be crap.
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So now the girls do better than the boys. The flaw is not in either gender here. The flaw is in the education model that tries to teach both genders in the same way. We really should have single gender classes and/or schools. That way we can teach each gender in the best ways that each one learns in. But no, we just try to create this one size fits all model that has always failed to properly teach both sexes at the same time. Teachers unions and schools are a big player in this problem because they refuse to accept these facts in order to extract the most personal gain from their jobs.
The fact that men rape more often than women is related to masculinity but that does not mean it is the cause of it. We as males (true for all warm blooded) are judged by ourselves, other men, and women based on our sexual prowess. When a male has certain character flaws rape is often how those flaws manifest. Now women just as often have these same flaws but their nature causes them to manifest them differently. They may not rape but they victimize and hurt others none the less. Also it is the just the fact that so many men and women both equally help support the notion that men cannot control themselves. Now I know when most say that, they really don't mean that when it applies to rape. None the less when a severely flawed and mentally deranged person is led to believe that most people feel that men cannot help themselves in any way when it comes to sex. Well it is pretty easy for that person to take that to mean rape is just a man doing man stuff. These are sick and twisted people who twist OUR words OUR thoughts OUR logic to justify their terrible acts. Many women victimize others in horrible ways through these means, just not by rape so to speak.
Also maybe rape is just indicative to flawed psychopaths of the culturally dominate sex. Maybe men rape more than women just because of the perceived superiority that men have in our culture. Maybe if women take over and become the stronger societal force thins will be the other way around. Just a thought>
I hate losing long posts too! Actually, most of what I said was tentative or in a questioning way. I admit readily I don't know.

You are right, maybe what I lightly proposed would backfire, hence why I concluded saying it was probably not a good idea.

You hit the nail on the head with the earned self-esteem comment. Self-esteem is not built by telling others what they always want to hear or telling them they are better than others (particularly if they haven't proven such by their actions).

Your closing comments about being socially dominant do have merit. I think we are looking at genetics to a degree, but I cannot argue that environment plays a role. Another way to flip things would be to say that males were made to be dominant and that denial of that is responsible for certain bad behaviors.

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#63 Feb 1, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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Right, but which personality is the "I" you mention?
Tell me the one again how taking issue with the logic of someone else's idea is disrespectful.
That was a good one.
Almost as good as the one where you claim there is some rule that people can't disagree with your deranged posts. I enjoyed that one!
So you misunderstand things and the underlying principles. Whatever. Do know it is possible to disagree with an idea without disagreeing with a person, or being disagreeable.

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#65 Feb 1, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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Hey loon, there's nothing "disagreeable" about saying that someone's logic has flaws. Which is something you hilariously posted earlier.
Now, when people want to utter total crp, via whichever of their multiple personalities, then there's no longer a requirement to be agreeable with the nutcases in question.
I have never degraded anyone in such a manner. I said what I said. Live with it.

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#67 Feb 1, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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Yup, you never said anything like the above which "you" posted earlier this evening.
Must have been one of your other personalities again. Roger that.
I never degraded anyone by ever mentioning their flaws. I never denied saying what you quoted. I only denied degrading people. You misread my last post above.
Islander

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#68 Feb 1, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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I really have no opinion as of yet. I think that was how things originally were. What if the word "ribs" in the Bible is a misinterpretation of the word chromosome?
The new diseases would only be if the process is flawed or if greed or agendas entered the picture. I was first naive to the dangers of genetically engineering plants. If we only kept it to selective breeding, it would not be so bad.
I am against a lot of the food-related tampering. A part of the problem is that everyone doing the research wants to treat it like computer code, so they put termination code in so you cannot reuse the seeds.
Remember the Griffith experiment? Infecting mice with rough strained bacteria didn't produce significant sickness. Injecting them with dead smooth strain bacteria was also harmless. But what if you inject them with both? You get dead mice. The rough bacteria somehow incorporated the genetic code of the dead smooth bacteria and transformed into the deadly smooth bacteria. So, what might inserting genes that cause sterility in plants do to humans? Sure, we are a complex organism, but what if the genetic process itself is targeted in a non-species specific way? So "suicide seeds" could impact the entire human race.
I certainly agree with your closing statement. I will try to reply to your other post soon.
I like the Bible thought and yes I very often do think about those types of possibilities. I've often wondered if a lot of those stories are just a primitive way of conveying scientific principles but way to interpret them has been lost.
Islander

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#69 Feb 1, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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I hate losing long posts too! Actually, most of what I said was tentative or in a questioning way. I admit readily I don't know.
You are right, maybe what I lightly proposed would backfire, hence why I concluded saying it was probably not a good idea.
You hit the nail on the head with the earned self-esteem comment. Self-esteem is not built by telling others what they always want to hear or telling them they are better than others (particularly if they haven't proven such by their actions).
Your closing comments about being socially dominant do have merit. I think we are looking at genetics to a degree, but I cannot argue that environment plays a role. Another way to flip things would be to say that males were made to be dominant and that denial of that is responsible for certain bad behaviors.
A point I would bring up that at a superficial layer supports that possibility is the fact that young girls are rapidly taking over the biggest bully role. I is weird but a lot of these girl bullies are way more vicious than the bullies I dealt with as a kid. Before when I said these character flaws manifest differently in the sexes. It seems to me that when it is in women it comes out as acts to control another through direct manipulation. They seem not rape but to torment and play games in order to ruin a life . The reasons for doing so often seem similar to the rapist. It seems it is a more psychological and methodical form of victimization where the men it is more physical and instant. Stuff is effed up in da world.
Islander

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#71 Feb 1, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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So you misunderstand things and the underlying principles. Whatever. Do know it is possible to disagree with an idea without disagreeing with a person, or being disagreeable.
Sorry SG but you can a little defensive yourself sometimes. You have taken my words of disagreement to your ideas as an attack to you as a person, when they where not meant that way at all. I'll admit I've gone off messing with you when it has happened. It is all in jest.

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#72 Feb 1, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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Hey looney tunes, your current personality is dissembling.
Of course you have used invective frequently, but that wasn't what I was pointing out here.
I was pointing out how hilariously crazy your contention was that mentioning the logical flaws of another person's argument is being "disrespectful."
That's one of your all time nuttiest! Don't be bashful - rejoice in it! Own it! Even tell your other personalities about it!
But did I degrade an exact, specific person? Not a group, but a person. But please name the persons by screen name who I did that to. We all can watch the paint dry in the mean time.

Anyone with brains and who was raised correctly knows it is disrespectful to imply there are flaws with others or their "logic" which is an inseparable part of them. Why are you so defensive about what was said to another person and not directed at you unless you have this character flaw. I am not saying you do, merely asking you to consider if you do. A bully might feel that they are entitled to bully and consider any limits on their bullying to be insane. Not accusing, just asking you to consider if that is a part of your nature, and to consider doing something about it.

Good people are not capable of calling others nutty nor accuse others of insanity (outside of a medical context). A good mother would discipline that out.

You may try to get under my skin or try to cause me to compromise my values, but you cannot do that. Please take care, but try to find someone else to latch onto, harass, or bully. You will never take away my joy, my sunshine, nor the respect of others that I have here. If you are lacking something, I hope you find it. I guess you find posting to me to help fill something that deep down you feel you lack. I truly do wish you the best.

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#74 Feb 1, 2014
Islander wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry SG but you can a little defensive yourself sometimes. You have taken my words of disagreement to your ideas as an attack to you as a person, when they where not meant that way at all. I'll admit I've gone off messing with you when it has happened. It is all in jest.
I don't recall every abusing you by accusing you of being defensive or any other character defect. Because I was raised properly and lack negativity, I have no desire to notice any such thing in others nor to ever say anything about it. Your character is ONLY YOUR business, just like whether I am defensive or have ANY other flaw is ONLY my business - and thankfully, the only two others who had that right in my life are buried. If you think someone has any negative trait, then you are obligated to never push their buttons no matter what - even in fun. Some men rape or kill for fun too. No properly raised person is even capable of having fun at the expense of some actual person who is in front of them.

So, IMHO, every good person is capable of ignoring the flaws of others and never mentioning them even once.

And this post is specific to Islander, not anyone else.
Islander

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#75 Feb 1, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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But did I degrade an exact, specific person? Not a group, but a person. But please name the persons by screen name who I did that to. We all can watch the paint dry in the mean time.
Anyone with brains and who was raised correctly knows it is disrespectful to imply there are flaws with others or their "logic" which is an inseparable part of them. Why are you so defensive about what was said to another person and not directed at you unless you have this character flaw. I am not saying you do, merely asking you to consider if you do. A bully might feel that they are entitled to bully and consider any limits on their bullying to be insane. Not accusing, just asking you to consider if that is a part of your nature, and to consider doing something about it.
Good people are not capable of calling others nutty nor accuse others of insanity (outside of a medical context). A good mother would discipline that out.
You may try to get under my skin or try to cause me to compromise my values, but you cannot do that. Please take care, but try to find someone else to latch onto, harass, or bully. You will never take away my joy, my sunshine, nor the respect of others that I have here. If you are lacking something, I hope you find it. I guess you find posting to me to help fill something that deep down you feel you lack. I truly do wish you the best.
You said it to me. Though it bothers me a lot less then him

That's it though I never attacked you. When i said your logic is flawed. It is in reference to the idea your bringing forth. The logic of said statement is flawed. Its not saying you are incapable of logical thinking. Your playing semantics. It is not being disrespectful of me to point them out if I see them. Your free to do the same. Now if I said you had a flawed mind that would be me attacking an intrinsic part of your being. You took the words in a defensive manner and understood them to mean something they didn't.
I understand the emotion of the idea you say but it is illogical and that is why ( by your own admission) it could not work. It is purely logical for to feel that way at times, but it is illogical in it's practical implementation.

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#76 Feb 1, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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Hey nutso, I was mocking your typically bizarre claim that saying someone's argument has logical flaws is "disrespectful."
Of course your many other personalities have talked smack about specific individuals, posters or otherwise. But you like to now maintain for fun that you don't have multiple personality disorder.
(You didn't think I meant just multiple monikers did ya?)
And only evil people are capable of any form of mocking or find any pleasure in it. Accusing ANY person of having any negative trait, or their ideas which are a permanent part of them, is always disrespectful. Every correctly raised person feels that way, and EQUAL adults should always know to never correct another or notice their flaws. When you comment on the flaws of another, you are really saying you own them like a parent a child, or a master a slave. If you are not in an authority post over a person, then you have no right to notice ANY flaw about them nor their opinions.

I have only ONE personality, but the tone of my posts and the exact words are tailored only to that specific person. Every intelligent person is capable of changing their style for each individual, so why don't you do that? Why don't you respect them that much?

You are just jealous. You should feel honored that I am giving you so much attention. Why not just act like a friend and you will get even more. Or do you feel directly a friend with another person mean you are weak?

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#77 Feb 1, 2014
Islander wrote:
<quoted text>A point I would bring up that at a superficial layer supports that possibility is the fact that young girls are rapidly taking over the biggest bully role. I is weird but a lot of these girl bullies are way more vicious than the bullies I dealt with as a kid. Before when I said these character flaws manifest differently in the sexes. It seems to me that when it is in women it comes out as acts to control another through direct manipulation. They seem not rape but to torment and play games in order to ruin a life . The reasons for doing so often seem similar to the rapist. It seems it is a more psychological and methodical form of victimization where the men it is more physical and instant. Stuff is effed up in da world.
But girly bullying is generally more benign, at least physically. Emotional abuse is a whole other topic, and those with more prefrontal cortex material would have more time to think up insults before getting into a shoving match. But of the girls who are more physical, either they are TS boys in denial, or they are being brainwashed by society to forsake the feminine gender role. But with girls, it is rarely about ego, but belonging.

But yes, overcompensation due to insecurity is often found in females, and that is why female soldiers and police officers are often pushed harder in the area of self-defense and physical fitness. That way, they won't be more tempted to use their weapon when it generally is not required.

I certainly agree with your last line!

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