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milwaukee69 wrote:
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This has nothing to do with the school district. It is a voluntary class that she enrolled in. She was not forced to do anything - it is an elective class in an exclusive school for advanced and pre-college students.
The assignment, which was completed by the rest of her class, was part of the curriculum for the class - it had nothing at all to do with the fact that she was American.
She never studied for this assignment and decided that she would take the only other route besides earning a failing grade.
And...the title of the article is mis-leading as well - the entire class was American, not just her.
I can see that you've never taken an advanced foriegn language class before - which is ok, I can understand your shortcomings.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR SHORTCOMINGS TOO.
Reading into a news story is just one of them. Where does it state, or even imply that she did not study for that assignment. Where does it state, or imply that she was the only American child in the class.
So, in your world, if you elect to take a class, then you give up any rights you may have as delineated by the governing body i.e. the school district. The students in that school district, ALL of the students, regardless of what class they take, or what school they attend have the right to not participate in the reciting of the American pledge of allegiance. I am sure that the great judge tally would cite case law that shows that by implication, ANY student,regardless of what class they take, or what school they attend have the right to not participate in the reciting of any pledge of allegiance.

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phaines wrote:
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I can speak spanish on here to , useing a translator...like everyone else...lol
It's Portugese.

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milwaukee69 wrote:
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And if the shoe were on the other foot and she was told she had to recite the US Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish - guess what?
Yep -$100 says this fruitcake would've said, "Nope - ain't gonna' do it."
And the "fruitcake" would have been well within her rights to refuse to do so, as stated in the school district policy.

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phaines wrote:
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I can speak spanish on here to , useing a translator...like everyone else...lol
Sorry 'phaines', Milwaukee wasn't speaking Spanish, he was speaking Portuguese. But they are fairly close... LOL

Have a good day Phaines.

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I guess fighting in a war was not in defense of a country's freedoms,,especially that of freedom of speech. Makes one wonder what a person fought for then. Just to fight and argue and kill I guess.
HUH
You lost me, what does serving in ones military, or fighting another countries military, have to do with the right of the student to not recite another countries pledge of allegiance?

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The third major area of concern addressed in student free speech cases is whether a particular instance of student speech may be viewed as impairing the school's ability to carry out its educational mission. This concern arises where the speech in question occurs in connection with a school-sponsored or school-controlled activity but is inconsistent with a legitimate pedagogical concern. In such circumstances, the United States Supreme Court has found that student speech may be regulated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_speech_ (First_Amendment)#School-speci fic_factors

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REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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And the "fruitcake" would have been well within her rights to refuse to do so, as stated in the school district policy.
Read my last post.

If it impairs the educational mission of the curriculum of the class, the school can limit her free speech rights - which is exactly what they did.

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Oath for Naturalized Citizens

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Should it be any less for a natural born citizen?

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REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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I UNDERSTAND YOUR SHORTCOMINGS TOO.
Reading into a news story is just one of them. Where does it state, or even imply that she did not study for that assignment. Where does it state, or imply that she was the only American child in the class.
So, in your world, if you elect to take a class, then you give up any rights you may have as delineated by the governing body i.e. the school district. The students in that school district, ALL of the students, regardless of what class they take, or what school they attend have the right to not participate in the reciting of the American pledge of allegiance. I am sure that the great judge tally would cite case law that shows that by implication, ANY student,regardless of what class they take, or what school they attend have the right to not participate in the reciting of any pledge of allegiance.
LMFGDAO!!!

And you accuse me of spinning the story lines?

It's not about her rights to recite the Pledge of Allegiance - in any language.

She...did...not...follow...the ...course...curriculum.

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milwaukee69 wrote:
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Learning how to listen to and follow directions is the key to any learning experience. Also, this isn't a college, it is a gifted school and she was taking a college-prep course. I wonder what the course curriculum would've read had everybody just done what they want and go willy-nilly in any direction.
Foriegn language courses are not art classes - they do not cater to the freelancer. There is only one way to speak a given language - aside from slang. Learning how to not only speak the language, but to understand what it means in that country of origin is key. Advanced language classes are not for the business major - they are designed for the writer, translator or person who must make a living translating spoken and written word.
College prep classes are very specific in what they teach and their content. Did they go over the top? Meah...maybe, but again - the student is the student, not the teacher. The teacher controls the horizontal and the vertical. I once had a college linear algebra professor that insisted we address him as Bud. He was one of the best professors I ever had - and I aced the course - all because it was on his terms, not mine.
College isn't for everyone - sometimes, depending on the course curriculum - it can be fun. On the other hand, do one tiny thing out of the ordinary any other time and you'll end up back in the same seat next semester.
Perhaps this girl isn't college material afterall.
OK Milwaukee I'll give you this much... I basically agree with this post of yours and your views on college curriculums. That does not alter the fact that a student was asked to recite a pledge to a foreign national government while saluting it's flag. I'm sorry, that is just wrong on so many levels. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it (as Dennis Miller would say).

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If you took a Spanish class, and they paired you up and asked you to recite the marriage vows in Spanish, would you do it?

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REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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HUH
You lost me, what does serving in ones military, or fighting another countries military, have to do with the right of the student to not recite another countries pledge of allegiance?
I wouldn't necessarily get into a pissing match with the Canadian catcher's mitt. Clueless doesn't even come close to describing "it."

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Bama Yankee wrote:
Oath for Naturalized Citizens
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
Should it be any less for a natural born citizen?
I agree 100%.

Not a lot of us are aware of this oath.

I wonder how many would not be willing to take this oath, natural born citizens that is.

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milwaukee69 wrote:
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Read my last post.
If it impairs the educational mission of the curriculum of the class, the school can limit her free speech rights - which is exactly what they did.
really getting desperate now, quoting from that completely unbiased unchangeable wikipedia. At least try to find a source that is less subject to personal interpretation.

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Billy R wrote:
If you took a Spanish class, and they paired you up and asked you to recite the marriage vows in Spanish, would you do it?
As long as there wasn't a priest or justice of the peace in attendance, sure - why not?

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milwaukee69 wrote:
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LMFGDAO!!!
And you accuse me of spinning the story lines?
It's not about her rights to recite the Pledge of Allegiance - in any language.
She...did...not...follow...the ...course...curriculum.
So, if the course curriculum required her to perform an illegal act, she absolutely must follow the course curriculum, regardless of the consequences. Was the course curriculum provided to the student and her legal guardians before she signed up for the class, so that they could opt out if the student objected to that portion of the course curriculum. Was it stated in writing that she was required to relinquish her rights as an American citizen in order to pass the course.

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Masterscout wrote:
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OK Milwaukee I'll give you this much... I basically agree with this post of yours and your views on college curriculums. That does not alter the fact that a student was asked to recite a pledge to a foreign national government while saluting it's flag. I'm sorry, that is just wrong on so many levels. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it (as Dennis Miller would say).
Careful - she wasn't "forced" to do anything other than recite it.

"The recitation of the Mexican pledge and the singing of the Mexican national anthem was part of a 2011 Spanish class assignment at Achieve Early College High School. The teacher, Reyna Santos, required all her students to participate in the lesson."

They did not ask her to salute a flag or pledge to any foriegn government.

Btw - if you're a hockey fan, guess who's national anthem they play first at a Oilers/Blackhawk's game?

"O Canada! Our home and native land! True patriot love in all thy sons command!..."

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milwaukee69 wrote:
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As long as there wasn't a priest or justice of the peace in attendance, sure - why not?
Some things are just sacred to me......One last question-Gay marriage is legal in Mexico. What if they paired you up with a guy?

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REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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really getting desperate now, quoting from that completely unbiased unchangeable wikipedia. At least try to find a source that is less subject to personal interpretation.
It's quoted from the law.

Ohio School Law Guide 9.74. Anderson's Ohio School Law Guide. CHAPTER 9: PUPILS. G. PUPIL REGULATION AND DISCIPLINE

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Nothing,,but making a statement that you do not believe in freedom of speech, then brag that serving your country and fighting, seems an awfully strange comment for someone to make, but follows considering the contradictions Milwaukee makes. He is just a bully, it is his way or no way,,,kind of like a communist would act.
But in some ways has a lot to do with it, considering some fight for these rights!!! Justy saying. Did not say anything about fighting in another countries military.
okay, but, since the comment was directed to m69, why post it in a reply to my post, why not reply to one of his posts.

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