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#21 Dec 11, 2012
Hunglo wrote:
<quoted text>
I never blamed Obama, it slide began during Clinton, I accused Obama of distorting the facts. That's something that your familiar with, right?
Distorting?

Is that anything like a Ryan spin or Rmoney lie?

For a bunch of half-way decent intelligent folks, you Conservatives didn't really think it through when you nominated Rmoney, did you? And now you're all upset because the majority of Americans didn't want to put a clueless businessman in office. I was expecting something a little better.

Sorry - you get no sympathy from me.

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#22 Dec 11, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Distorting?
Is that anything like a Ryan spin or Rmoney lie?
For a bunch of half-way decent intelligent folks, you Conservatives didn't really think it through when you nominated Rmoney, did you? And now you're all upset because the majority of Americans didn't want to put a clueless businessman in office. I was expecting something a little better.
Sorry - you get no sympathy from me.
No need to apologize to me, I supported Romney because he had a better chance of beating Obama than Johnson did. As far as sympathy goes, I've usually found that the best place to find that is somewhere between sh!t and syphilis in the dictionary.

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#23 Dec 12, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFGDAO!!!
So it's Obama's fault that the US shunned Dr. Demming's quality systems back in the 70's? It's Obama's fault that unions killed the auto industry? It's Obama's fault that companies will still send work overseas to make more money?
Since 1941, Gross Domestic Product has increased by over $10,000 billion.
http://www.census.gov/statab/hist/HS-32.pdf
Manufacturing 1941-2001
1941
82.8 million tons raw steel
3,780,000 passenger cars
1996
105.3 million tons raw steel
6,140,000 passenger cars
2001
99.3 million tons raw steel
3,600,000 passenger cars
http://www.census.gov/statab/hist/HS-45.pdf
The effect of the Japanese and Chinese on US manufacturing was felt long before Obama was even a US Senator. To say that Obama is at fault isn't very smart and shows little in the way of research involving your figures.
The last time the total number of manufacturing jobs was this low 11.95 million was in May of 1941, before the United States entered World War II. The U.S. population then was 133 million, compared to about 315 million today.

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#24 Dec 12, 2012
Hunglo wrote:
<quoted text>
The last time the total number of manufacturing jobs was this low 11.95 million was in May of 1941, before the United States entered World War II. The U.S. population then was 133 million, compared to about 315 million today.
Yeah, and how much was the average factory worker making in 1941?

You're not comparing apples to apples.

The US makes it too easy for companies to go global nowadays, IMO. There isn't a lot of interest in manufacturing for kids coming out of college, let alone high school these days. I know manufacturing - very well. Most kids would rather sit on their hands than get them dirty assembling engines on a line for 12 hours a day, even though they'd probably make six figures. The work ethic in this country sucks - the jobs are out there, unfortunately nobody wants them. The days of good-paying labor intensive jobs are going by the wayside - even construction has seen its share of high employee turnover rates.

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#25 Dec 12, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFGDAO!!!
So it's Obama's fault that the US shunned Dr. Demming's quality systems back in the 70's? It's Obama's fault that unions killed the auto industry? It's Obama's fault that companies will still send work overseas to make more money?
Since 1941, Gross Domestic Product has increased by over $10,000 billion.
http://www.census.gov/statab/hist/HS-32.pdf
Manufacturing 1941-2001
1941
82.8 million tons raw steel
3,780,000 passenger cars
1996
105.3 million tons raw steel
6,140,000 passenger cars
2001
99.3 million tons raw steel
3,600,000 passenger cars
http://www.census.gov/statab/hist/HS-45.pdf
The effect of the Japanese and Chinese on US manufacturing was felt long before Obama was even a US Senator. To say that Obama is at fault isn't very smart and shows little in the way of research involving your figures.
Interesting point. Many people also blame Obama for creating trillion dollar deficits even though they were projected even before he took office. GW Bush in his last year in office submitted a budget request that exceeded revenues for that same fiscal year by over one trillion dollars. While I am no Obama fan, I have even less regard for his predecessor.

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#26 Dec 12, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
The US makes it too easy for companies to go global nowadays, IMO. There isn't a lot of interest in manufacturing for kids coming out of college, let alone high school these days. I know manufacturing - very well. Most kids would rather sit on their hands than get them dirty assembling engines on a line for 12 hours a day, even though they'd probably make six figures. The work ethic in this country sucks - the jobs are out there, unfortunately nobody wants them. The days of good-paying labor intensive jobs are going by the wayside - even construction has seen its share of high employee turnover rates.
On this we agree. It's even easier to collect welfare and food stamps.

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#27 Dec 12, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and how much was the average factory worker making in 1941?
You're not comparing apples to apples.
The US makes it too easy for companies to go global nowadays, IMO. There isn't a lot of interest in manufacturing for kids coming out of college, let alone high school these days. I know manufacturing - very well. Most kids would rather sit on their hands than get them dirty assembling engines on a line for 12 hours a day, even though they'd probably make six figures. The work ethic in this country sucks - the jobs are out there, unfortunately nobody wants them. The days of good-paying labor intensive jobs are going by the wayside - even construction has seen its share of high employee turnover rates.
I will agree with your statement here that it is too easy to outsource jobs. I must disagree with the assertion that the jobs are out there, but nobody wants them. Construction work is very depressed as there is still a glut of unsold homes on the market and manufacturing job opportunities are very sparse.

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#28 Dec 12, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFGDAO!!!
So it's Obama's fault that the US shunned Dr. Demming's quality systems back in the 70's? It's Obama's fault that unions killed the auto industry? It's Obama's fault that companies will still send work overseas to make more money?
Nah, that's all George Bush's fault.

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#29 Dec 12, 2012
Gnsbg is building an addition to the hospital and since I have to make regular visits to get my blood checked I watch them for a while.
Consistently I see 2 or 3 working out of a dozen men, I don't know how much they make/hour but whatever it is they don't deserve it.
I see county and state road repair crews out working-three holding a shovel up and one which must be the boss, he's not doing anything either.
Our local electric repair crews, one on a pole and 3 looking up at him.
Recently I dug thru a gasline to the house they had buried in the middle of the field instead of following property lines ( I had no idea ). They sent 1/2 dozen guys out-5 watched the guy dig the line up-2 fixed it-the others provided company for the guy I had digging and me. Why is natural gas so
"HIGH">
I live in a farming community, if and when they move equipment from one job to another better be sure your off the road. Those big new shiney 8 wheel drive tractors will run over you-those poor government subsidized farmers. Why's the price of food so "HIGH"?
I could go on forever but I think I've made my point.

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#30 Dec 12, 2012
Hunglo wrote:
<quoted text>It's even easier to collect welfare and food stamps.
Assumptions without merit.

Old arguement - one that probably lost the election for the GOP.

Not everyone that recieves welfare or food stamps is a freeloader, if that's what your implying. A decent work ethic starts at home - homes where it's not necessary for the kids to go out and find that good-paying job. Rather work at Hardees part time, play video games full time and let rich Daddy pay for college: aka Rmoney principle. Don't believe me? Colleges are full of these "freeloaders" nowadays - and how many division I schools are there?

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#32 Dec 12, 2012
Hunglo wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah, that's all George Bush's fault.
You never answered my question on that other thread, what was Dubya's approval rating after his first term?

Precisely...

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#33 Dec 12, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>You never answered my question on that other thread, what was Dubya's approval rating after his first term?

Precisely...
Average 36.5

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#34 Dec 12, 2012
Hunglo wrote:
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Average 36.5
You're too kind...more like 32% at the end of hi tenure and a low of 25%(three times; most recent: Oct 31-Nov 2, 2008).

Ouch...that hurts.

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#35 Dec 14, 2012

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#36 Dec 15, 2012
Obama is president, Get over it. Although I would have much rather seen somebody else as president (certainly not Willard Mitt Romney though), I will encourage people to participate in healing our great country rather than inflict new wounds.

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#37 Dec 15, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're too kind...more like 32% at the end of hi tenure and a low of 25%(three times; most recent: Oct 31-Nov 2, 2008).
Ouch...that hurts.
While admittedly I have bashed Bush in the past, I am coming to the conclusion that perhaps we need to put that in the past and move on. I am sure I could come up with a rather lengthy laundry list of grievances against him, but I will chose to refrain at this point. Politics will be politics and no amount of outcry will ever change it.

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#38 Dec 15, 2012
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Gnsbg is building an addition to the hospital and since I have to make regular visits to get my blood checked I watch them for a while.
Consistently I see 2 or 3 working out of a dozen men, I don't know how much they make/hour but whatever it is they don't deserve it.
I see county and state road repair crews out working-three holding a shovel up and one which must be the boss, he's not doing anything either.
Our local electric repair crews, one on a pole and 3 looking up at him.
Recently I dug thru a gasline to the house they had buried in the middle of the field instead of following property lines ( I had no idea ). They sent 1/2 dozen guys out-5 watched the guy dig the line up-2 fixed it-the others provided company for the guy I had digging and me. Why is natural gas so
"HIGH">
I live in a farming community, if and when they move equipment from one job to another better be sure your off the road. Those big new shiney 8 wheel drive tractors will run over you-those poor government subsidized farmers. Why's the price of food so "HIGH"?
I could go on forever but I think I've made my point.
I hear you loud and clear. Fortunately, where I live, county workers are expected to perform which is why I pay less than $500.00 taxes yearly on a three bedroom two bath and two car garage house with over 1500sq. ft. under roof with a 16 x 32 foot swimming pool in the back yard. Up north with a house with roughly equal floor space and a similar sized pool, I paid over $1000 per quarter for taxes. Go figure.

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#39 Dec 29, 2012
2-2 2013

In the coming New Year, 2013, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union
address will occur on the same day.
This is an ironic juxtaposition of events.
One involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to an insignificant
creature of little intelligence for prognostication of the future.
The other involves a groundhog.........

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#40 Dec 29, 2012

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#41 Dec 30, 2012
Comments to this clip (( clip)).

With hours to go before America hits the fiscal cliff, President Barack Obama used((correct terminology)) a Sunday talk show appearance to pin the blame on Republicans who "have had trouble saying yes."((bulls**T!))

On NBC's "Meet the Press," the president said he's negotiated in good faith, moved more than halfway to reach a grand bargain and angered Democrats with his concessions. But he said Republicans still refuse to strike a deal with him and hike rates on the richest taxpayers.(( That could come anytime and it wouldn't make that much difference anyway))

"They say that their biggest priority is making sure that we deal with the deficit in a serious way,((they, meaning the 'republicans' are absolutely correct in their priorities))[[don't "U" agree?]] but the way they're behaving is that their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans are protected," Obama said. "That seems to be their only overriding, unifying theme."((While his is protecting unions, playing golf, vacationing, gun control, gay rights, and public appearances promoting his socialist ways)).

Unless Congress acts by midnight Monday, a broad set of tax increases and federal spending cuts will be automatically imposed on Jan. 1, affecting virtually every taxpayer and government program.
((Seems the intenion of both parties is to let "US" go over the cliff-only so they can blame each-other for it))((and both parties have waited until the =last hours= to do anything))WHY?????
The spending cuts were put in place earlier this year((another procrastination)) as draconian incentives that would force the president and lawmakers to confront the nation's growing debt.

Now, lawmakers are trying to keep them from happening, though it seemed likely, that the cuts, known as sequestration, would be left for the next Congress, to be sworn in this week.
((Fact is until Obama's term is over don't look for anything to help 'us' out ((which is where he seems to want 'us'!))
((What's more important-gouging the 1% or lowering the deficit?))
[[Are you Republican or Democrat?]]
...makes no difference-what's best for the Nation?

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