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OMG- that IS a gotcha! It's like night and darktime!
It is not my fault you can't see the difference between a system where you have a 1) president with veto powers and two houses of congress (one of which is the senate ... the members of which are not apportioned according to population) and 2) a system where simple majority vote of either citizens or elected officials controls.

If the majority is like Ferr and like that ^^^, I thank my lucky stars I'm in the minority.

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Are you really that dumb that you don’t know the difference?
Ooh, ooh, ooh, can I answer that?

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I heard this last night on a news report and found it very interesting.

There are 247 ppl currenting on the terrorist watch list here in the US. All of these ppl flagged as a potential danger and part of or working with a terrorist org. have all purchased guns because of our gun laws and 2nd ammendment rights.

Think about that...

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<quoted text>Why should I complain to the republican party (it's not my party ... I'm independent) other than gay marriage and environmental issues and perhaps a few other issues, I mostly agree with their platform.
Other than deflecting votes away from both parties, what good has the independents done in any election - other than Washington, whom I do believe was an independent?

I looked at the independent candidates first this last election - they weren't any more impressive than Rmoney.

It always comes down to the lesser of two evils, aways.

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The people who tend to resort to violence and disruption of people’s lives when they don’t get their way tend to be democrats. Let’s look to the riots throughout history, the occupy movement, the shyte storm in WI over limiting collective bargaining rights for government workers, the Chicago teachers union.
Actually living IN Wisconsin and knowing quite a bit about Scotty "Union Buster" Walker, there is a few things you ought to know. His first order of "business" as governor was to lure jobs back to the state. Great news, right? Do you know what he did? He hung a sign on the Illinois border that says, "Bring your business to Wisconsin." That's it - nothing else - a f*ckin' sign. Meanwhile, Wisconsin has lost more jobs that West Virginia - ranked 45th worst in the nation.

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Secondly, and this is my opinion, but there are three groups of individuals that I would keep paying a pension for - the police, the fire department and lastly, the teachers. Anybody that puts their life on the line on a daily basis, deserves that much - and anybody that cultivates a child's mind on a daily basis as well. Wisconsin had the 5th best educational system in the country before sh*t-for-brains came along, now were in the lower 25%, thanks to larger class sizes and teacher furlows. What has "Scotty" done for me lately? And extra $25 in state returns this year and a highway that has been under re-construction for more than a year.

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I think you know that in casual conversation the term is shortened frequently to just "democracy" for convenience and simplicity. But then a real simpleton comes along and tries to sound brilliant by calling out somebody else for speaking colloquially. But fails.
Uh, Uh Clem, when someone is also throwing out terms such as “america’s voice,” as if he thinks the will of the majority of the population should control, at the same time he is using the term democracy, then it doesn’t seem to me that he is shortening it for convenience and simplicity. It’s funny that a mere simpleton like me picked up on that additional observation (his use of America's voice) and you with your massive sophistication failed to. Simpleton 1, Uh Clem ZERO

Our system of government is not a democracy … it doesn’t operate according to America’s voice. If it did, we wouldn’t have that dog shyte piece of legislation known as Obamacare…

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<quoted text>Well, finally a reichtard has gone on to explain the difference. That was ALL I asked- that just one reichtard would explain the difference and not just use it as a *GOTCHA*. Thank you and your Google powers.
Nope, you proved your ignorance more than that:

Even after I explained the difference to you, you couldn't comprehend it and suggested the difference between the two was the same as night and darktime (I hope you don’t actually ever use the term “darktime;” what are you Borat?)... I had to really break it down for you, before your post above, which seems to acknowledge that I was correct all along.

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To seek the truth and knowing it, to give light to those with whom we may be associated as we travel along life's pathway."

You’ve just been given the light, courtesy of yours truly. How’s it FEEL. Good, eh? A little less “darktime” for Ferr. You're welcome.

Such a heavy cross I bear, educating the ignorant. My work is done with you for today. I don't want to overload you. Maybe tomorrow I can teach you to count to ten. Thanks. Bye.

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<quoted text>If it did, we wouldn’t have that dog shyte piece of legislation known as Obamacare…
What's the alternative?

No insurance?

Lol...dude, think back 8 years ago when everybody was screaming at Bush about the rising costs of healthcare due to people not having health insurance.

Small companies nowadays get around the mandatory insurance thingee by paying the fine and not offering employees healthcare insurance. Personally, I would work nfor a company that didn't offer some sort of insurance plan - but that's a personal choice.

Something had to be done, it couldn't stay like it was.

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Uh, Uh Clem, when someone is also throwing out terms such as “america’s voice,” as if he thinks the will of the majority of the population should control, at the same time he is using the term democracy, then it doesn’t seem to me that he is shortening it for convenience and simplicity. It’s funny that a mere simpleton like me picked up on that additional observation (his use of America's voice) and you with your massive sophistication failed to. Simpleton 1, Uh Clem ZERO
Our system of government is not a democracy … it doesn’t operate according to America’s voice. If it did, we wouldn’t have that dog shyte piece of legislation known as Obamacare…
Then let me put it another way, you're beating a dead horse.

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Actually living IN Wisconsin and knowing quite a bit about Scotty "Union Buster" Walker, there is a few things you ought to know. His first order of "business" as governor was to lure jobs back to the state. Great news, right? Do you know what he did? He hung a sign on the Illinois border that says, "Bring your business to Wisconsin." That's it - nothing else - a f*ckin' sign. Meanwhile, Wisconsin has lost more jobs that West Virginia - ranked 45th worst in the nation.
Wait, I want to make sure I get this straight. When Bush was in office, it was all his fault that the economy went down the toilet and lots of people lost their jobs. However, now that Obama is in office it’s a republican governors fault that jobs are being lost and not Obama’s fault at all!

It’s fascinating how everything bad that has ever happened during Obama’s term is Bush’s fault or some republican governor’s fault, but everything good that has happened is solely attributable to his magnificence Obama!

Moreover, jobs have nothing to do with reigning in public employee unions. There is no need for public employee unions. Unions were not created because of abuses in the public sector. They were created because of abuses in the private sector.
They are simply used to abuse taxpayers and provide public employees with a level of compensation that those who pay for their compensation (i.e. mostly private sector employees) do not themselves receive. This happens because on average half the politicians (democrats) are in the public employee union’s pocketbook.

Imagine if I could bribe my boss to pay me more from company funds and give me more benefits??? You don’t think I’d be making more than I would otherwise? That’s how public employee unions work … they bribe elected officials, i.e. democrats, by contributing to their campaigns and in return the democrats scratch their back and give them all kinds of shyte that almost no one in the private sector receives. IT’s gotten so out of whack. In IL there is no money for anything, except to feed them. They raised income taxes by 2/3rds a few years ago and it all went to the parasitic public employee union leeches, who no longer exist to serve the public, but to serve themselves.
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<quoted text>Secondly, and this is my opinion, but there are three groups of individuals that I would keep paying a pension for - the police, the fire department and lastly, the teachers. Anybody that puts their life on the line on a daily basis, deserves that much - and anybody that cultivates a child's mind on a daily basis as well. Wisconsin had the 5th best educational system in the country before sh*t-for-brains came along, now were in the lower 25%, thanks to larger class sizes and teacher furlows. What has "Scotty" done for me lately? And extra $25 in state returns this year and a highway that has been under re-construction for more than a year.
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401k for all. Equality, baby … just like me … just like most of the folks who pay taxes and work in the private sector. For police and fire department should they get hurt, you have long term and short term disability plans that the government pays for.

Pensions are ticking time bombs … it is also unjust to ask folks to pay taxes to provide public workers with benefits that those who pay the taxes don’t themselves receive.

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Other than deflecting votes away from both parties, what good has the independents done in any election - other than Washington, whom I do believe was an independent?
I looked at the independent candidates first this last election - they weren't any more impressive than Rmoney.
It always comes down to the lesser of two evils, aways.
By independent I mean I sometimes vote democrat and I sometimes vote republican. Meaning candidates ACTUALLY have to earn my vote.

You think that's bad? I think we should all be independent rather than partisan hacks.

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Uh Clem wrote:
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Then let me put it another way, you're beating a dead horse.
Well stop arguing with me about it, then and calling me a simpleton, when I clearly wasn't being a simpleton.

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Our system of government is not a democracy … it doesn’t operate according to America’s voice. If it did, we wouldn’t have that dog shyte piece of legislation known as Obamacare…
Wish I had another prop to give ya for that.

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By independent I mean I sometimes vote democrat and I sometimes vote republican. Meaning candidates ACTUALLY have to earn my vote.
You think that's bad? I think we should all be independent rather than partisan hacks.
Lol...reminds me of Bulgaria - this Spring's elections have no fewer than 63 individual parties represented.

Baskin-Robbins politics.

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What's the alternative?
No insurance?
Lol...dude, think back 8 years ago when everybody was screaming at Bush about the rising costs of healthcare due to people not having health insurance.
Small companies nowadays get around the mandatory insurance thingee by paying the fine and not offering employees healthcare insurance. Personally, I would work nfor a company that didn't offer some sort of insurance plan - but that's a personal choice.
Something had to be done, it couldn't stay like it was.
Giving 30 million people free and subsidized healthcare isn't going to make things less expensive. If it did they wouldn't have had to raise taxes and raid the Medicare trust fund to pay for Obamacare.

What to do about it? I generally think grown adults should care for them-self, unless they are disabled. Children, I think should be provided with medicaid.

However, if something had to be done, why not go after pharma? Why do we pay 3 times what folks in Canada and Germany do for drugs? Why don't you start there. That would be low hanging fruit and something virtually every person in America who doesn't work for the pharmaceutical industry would applaud, including me. I would have loved Obama if he had the balls and the integrity to do what is best for Americans, all of us.

Maybe do that, save a shyte load of money, and see how you can use that money to help people who need it.

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Wait, I want to make sure I get this straight. When Bush was in office, it was all his fault that the economy went down the toilet and lots of people lost their jobs. However, now that Obama is in office it’s a republican governors fault that jobs are being lost and not Obama’s fault at all!
Trust me - Bush was a saint compared to Walker. Like I said, police, firefighters and teachers all deserve a "golden parachute." Walker's no Republican - most of his own party dispises the guy. The only reason he won the election and the recall is that Barrett is more clueless. Walker hasn't a clue as to what manufacturing is, let alone what an actual job is.

Want to hear the latest?

Gov. Scott Walker's proposed income tax cut is likely too small to help individual taxpayers or the Wisconsin economy but could be large enough to harm the state's future fiscal soundness, according to experts reacting Thursday to the governor's 2013-15 budget.

The two-year spending plan calls for a state income tax cut averaging $106 for a family of four earning $80,000 a year. That's about $2 per week.

For low-income taxpayers, the cut is even more miserly: An estimated $2 a year for those earning less than $21,000, according to an analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy done for the Wisconsin Budget Project. That analysis also showed the wealthiest taxpayers, those earning $374,000 or more, would see a cut of $285.

http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-p...

The guy has done virtually nothing that he campaigned for, let alone bring jobs back into the state.

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<quoted text> Why do we pay 3 times what folks in Canada and Germany do for drugs?
Ever tried to order drugs from Canada? Trust me - don't.

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I generally think grown adults should care for them-self, unless they are disabled. Children, I think should be provided with medicaid.
Let's be realistic here.

The average joe shmoe, Y-Gen, "healthy" adult isn't going to carry health insurance if it's not mandatory. Why carry something that you're not legally bound to carry? And what about the hard-working people that need health insurance but just don't make enough to afford it? You just don't know how much you need health insurance until you have a heart attack. Making health insurance affordable to everyone is not a bad thing. At the very least it keeps hospitals in business in your area and mine.

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Uh, Uh Clem, when someone is also throwing out terms such as “america’s voice,” as if he thinks the will of the majority of the population should control, at the same time he is using the term democracy, then it doesn’t seem to me that he is shortening it for convenience and simplicity. It’s funny that a mere simpleton like me picked up on that additional observation (his use of America's voice) and you with your massive sophistication failed to. Simpleton 1, Uh Clem ZERO
Our system of government is not a democracy … it doesn’t operate according to America’s voice. If it did, we wouldn’t have that dog shyte piece of legislation known as Obamacare…
You notice republican government is used by the current administration only when it's convenient.

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Well stop arguing with me about it, then and calling me a simpleton, when I clearly wasn't being a simpleton.
You keep re-proving my point but I don't know why.

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