Taxation Without Representation

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“'" Always Thinking '"”

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#1 Jun 18, 2013
Definition of 'Taxation Without Representation'
A situation in which a government imposes taxes on a particular group of its citizens, despite the citizens not consenting or having an actual representative deliver their views when the taxation decision was made. This situation was one of the triggering events that spurred the original thirteen American colonies to revolt against the British Empire.

Thomas Jefferson on Politics & Government

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37. Taxation & Fiscal Responsibility

Taxation is an appropriation of the property of free citizens, therefore it is vitally important that it be under the oversight of the people themselves in a free society. For this reason, that house of the legislature that is closest to the people and subject most often to their approval at the polls is the house that properly originates tax measures. Particulars on government expenditures and taxation should be plain and available to all if the oversight by the people is to be effective.

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"I like the power given the Legislature to levy taxes, and for that reason solely approve of the greater house being chosen by the people directly. For though I think a house chosen by them will be very illy qualified to legislate for the Union, for foreign nations, etc., yet this evil does not weigh against the good of preserving inviolate the fundamental principle that the people are not to be taxed but by representatives chosen immediately by themselves." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387

"As to the new Constitution... Would it not have been better to assign to Congress exclusively the article of imposts for federal purposes, and to have left direct taxation exclusively to the States? I should suppose the former fund sufficient for all probably events, aided by the land office." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787. ME 6:395

"Many of the opposition [to the new Federal Constitution] wish to take from Congress the power of internal taxation. Calculation has convinced me that this would be very mischievous." --Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1788. ME 7:248

"I approved from the first moment of... the power of taxation [in the new Constitution]. I thought at first that [it] might have been limited. A little reflection soon convinced me it ought not to be." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789. ME 7:300

"Calculation has convinced me that circumstances may arise and probably will arise wherein all the resources of taxation will be necessary for the safety of the state. For though I am decidedly of opinion we should take no part in European quarrels, but cultivate peace and commerce with all, yet who can avoid seeing the source of war in the tyranny of those nations who deprive us of the natural right of trading with our neighbors?... War requires every resource of taxation and credit." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1788. ME 7:224

Read more of his 'letters'@

www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJ...

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#2 Jun 18, 2013
Thomas Jefferson - grandfather of sex slavery

Sarah "Sally" Hemings (Charles City County, Virginia, circa 1773 Charlottesville, Virginia, 1835) was an enslaved woman of mixed race owned by President Thomas Jefferson through his wife's inheritance.

In 1787, the 14-year-old Sally Hemings was chosen to accompany Jefferson's youngest daughter Mary (Polly) to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson was serving as the United States Ambassador to France. Hemings spent two years there. Hemings and Jefferson are believed to have begun a sexual relationship either in France or soon after their return to Monticello. Hemings had six children of record born into slavery; four survived to adulthood and were noted for their resemblance to Jefferson. Sally Hemings remained a domestic servant in Jefferson's house until his death.

Evidently, there was no taxation of the sex slave market at that time.

“'" Always Thinking '"”

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#3 Jun 18, 2013
And just what was that concerted effort suppose to prove?

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#4 Jun 18, 2013
Well if it wasn't sex slavery, then Miss Hemings should be included on the list of first ladies. Can you just imagine?

Michelle Obama isn't the first black first lady?

Oh the humanity - oh the humility!!!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/15/sh...

“Geaux Tigers!”

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#5 Jun 18, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
Well if it wasn't sex slavery, then Miss Hemings should be included on the list of first ladies. Can you just imagine?
Michelle Obama isn't the first black first lady?
Oh the humanity - oh the humility!!!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/15/sh...
LoL.

Kind of like Obama can't claim to be the first black president, since Slick Willy claimed that title.

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#6 Jun 18, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
Well if it wasn't sex slavery, then Miss Hemings should be included on the list of first ladies. Can you just imagine?
Michelle Obama isn't the first black first lady?
Oh the humanity - oh the humility!!!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/15/sh...
Killing Them Softly (2012)- Final Scene



You're welcome...

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#9 Jun 18, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
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LoL.
Kind of like Obama can't claim to be the first black president, since Slick Willy claimed that title.
And actually Jefferson was the first to have a sex scandal in the White House.

Oh the humanity!!!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/familyjef...

“'" Always Thinking '"”

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#11 Jun 18, 2013
Sally Hemmings, Melissa Haris-Perry, Soledad O'Brien or Erin Burnett,any-one of them (1 @ a time) could be my 1st lady; well maybe not 1st
but I'd love to "DO'm" anyway!
LMAO

“'" Always Thinking '"”

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#12 Jun 18, 2013
M69 did you mention Humility?
*=* Oh the humanity - oh the humility!!!*=*

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#13 Jun 18, 2013
Jefferson did not always represent elite interests, however. As a student, he had closely examined all the major precedents concerning the status of slavery in English law and concluded that it had no basis in either common law or statute. In the course of his practice, he became known as an advocate for those whose enslavement he could challenge in novel ways based on precedent and statutory interpretation. The most famous of these cases was Howell v. Netherland (1770). Samuel Howell was a mixed-race indentured servant whose grandmother had been a free white woman; his grandfather was black. While Virginia law prescribed that the offspring of white women and black men be made servants until they reached the age of thirty-one, their children's children were held to no such commitment.(If a child's mother was black, then the law had long been clear: her children were slaves.)

Kinda' hypocritical of a guy in a mixed relationship with a slave, isn't it?

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