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#1067 Dec 17, 2012
Nostradamus wrote:
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87 posts 4.35 pages in the future
dayum, you really are dumb.
I think he meant 1052 Mr. Perfect.

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#1068 Dec 17, 2012
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Well, don't count on the agenda-driven gun nutters on here. If they can't see that the Bushmaster the murderer used was an "assault rifle" it's because their eyes are as closed as their minds.
They are so afraid of some conspiracy to take their guns away so that they can't defend themselves against a government out of control. A lot of good having guns would do them anyway if the government did get out of control. Poor little paranoics.

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#1069 Dec 17, 2012
We certainly shouldn't pretend there is no problem with the present laws, but I do caution against totally dismantling Amendment II. If one of the Bill of Rights can be repealed, what is going to happen to the rest of them?

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#1070 Dec 17, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>They are so afraid of some conspiracy to take their guns away so that they can't defend themselves against a government out of control. A lot of good having guns would do them anyway if the government did get out of control. Poor little paranoics.
Tell that to the guys who wrote the constitution

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#1071 Dec 17, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>Tell that to the guys who wrote the constitution
Indeed, it is just as much as your right to carry a firearm as it is my right to be safe without one.

I wouldn't want anyone with only one week's training defending me in any shape or form.

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#1072 Dec 17, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>Tell that to the guys who wrote the constitution
It likely had more to do with protection against Indian attacks and the fact that we were a new and vulnerable nation subject to attack by another country and we needed all the armed citizens we could muster. Against today's heavily armed military, your firearms would be as useful as sling shots would have been 200 years ago. We are past the days of single shot muskets which had to be manually powdered and loaded.

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#1073 Dec 17, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>It likely had more to do with protection against Indian attacks and the fact that we were a new and vulnerable nation subject to attack by another country and we needed all the armed citizens we could muster. Against today's heavily armed military, your firearms would be as useful as sling shots would have been 200 years ago. We are past the days of single shot muskets which had to be manually powdered and loaded.
Armed citizens make politicians nervous :)

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#1075 Dec 17, 2012
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Well, don't count on the agenda-driven gun nutters on here. If they can't see that the Bushmaster the murderer used was an "assault rifle" it's because their eyes are as closed as their minds.
You are so very wrong again. Connecticut has an assault rifle ban in place. The Bushmaster does NOT fit the definition of that ban :)It is probably worded like the old federal ban. If it doesn't have a bayonet lug or other features discribed it is not an assault rifle. It has also been reported that the Bushmaster was in the trunk of his car. So much misinformation out there.

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#1077 Dec 17, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>Armed citizens make politicians nervous :)
Now that you put it this way...

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#1078 Dec 17, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>You are so very wrong again. Connecticut has an assault rifle ban in place. The Bushmaster does NOT fit the definition of that ban
Actually, he's correct, you're wrong - a lot:

http://www.jud.ct.gov/ji/criminal/glossary/as...

"Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70;

Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol;

Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 Carbien type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 Series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; USI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol."

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#1079 Dec 17, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>You are so very wrong again. Connecticut has an assault rifle ban in place. The Bushmaster does NOT fit the definition of that ban :)It is probably worded like the old federal ban. If it doesn't have a bayonet lug or other features discribed it is not an assault rifle. It has also been reported that the Bushmaster was in the trunk of his car. So much misinformation out there.
Yes, CT has some of the toughest gun law(s) in the US. And ?...

"It has also been reported that the Bushmaster was in the trunk of his car. So much misinformation out there."

Get up to speed and/or post the accurate stuff. That mis-info was very early info, like the mis-identification of the shooter until cops found the 24 year-old Ryan lived in NJ. All that has been amended.

He had the Bushmaster and handguns in the school. To repeat otherwise is .... misinformation on your part.

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#1080 Dec 17, 2012
I wouldn't expect Crain to refute - that's his MO - post untruths and then leave to go spend all his rich wife's money.

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#1081 Dec 17, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, he's correct, you're wrong - a lot:
http://www.jud.ct.gov/ji/criminal/glossary/as...
"Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70;
Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol;
Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 Carbien type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 Series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; USI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol."
Then how was the gun purchased if it was against the law? It was a legal in state purchase

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#1082 Dec 17, 2012
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, CT has some of the toughest gun law(s) in the US. And ?...
"It has also been reported that the Bushmaster was in the trunk of his car. So much misinformation out there."
Get up to speed and/or post the accurate stuff. That mis-info was very early info, like the mis-identification of the shooter until cops found the 24 year-old Ryan lived in NJ. All that has been amended.
He had the Bushmaster and handguns in the school. To repeat otherwise is .... misinformation on your part.
It may well be misinformation but so much of what is out there is wrong it is hard to know what is correct.

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#1083 Dec 17, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>It may well be misinformation but so much of what is out there is wrong it is hard to know what is correct.
horsehit!

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#1084 Dec 17, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>Then how was the gun purchased if it was against the law? It was a legal in state purchase
The Bushmaster is banned based on the specific model's ability to make it fully automatic. It’s unclear if the specific model of semiautomatic rifle Lanza reportedly used would have been forbidden under the expired assault weapons ban. The Bushmaster .223 “wasn’t banned by name” in the 1994 assault weapons ban. I suspect that she owned a model that "snuck under the wire" of the law - or she had it modified after the purchase to go fully auto.

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#1085 Dec 17, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bushmaster is banned based on the specific model's ability to make it fully automatic. It’s unclear if the specific model of semiautomatic rifle Lanza reportedly used would have been forbidden under the expired assault weapons ban. The Bushmaster .223 “wasn’t banned by name” in the 1994 assault weapons ban. I suspect that she owned a model that "snuck under the wire" of the law - or she had it modified after the purchase to go fully auto.
While it is all well and good to go into those technicalities, regardless, whether it was specifically mentioned or not in the firearm laws, anybody with at least half a brain can understand why it is an assault rifle. If your detractors try hard enough, they might be able to understand as well.

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#1086 Dec 17, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>You are so very wrong again. Connecticut has an assault rifle ban in place. The Bushmaster does NOT fit the definition of that ban :)It is probably worded like the old federal ban. If it doesn't have a bayonet lug or other features discribed it is not an assault rifle. It has also been reported that the Bushmaster was in the trunk of his car. So much misinformation out there.
I wish we could leave all out misinformation to you. You're VERY good at it!

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#1087 Dec 17, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bushmaster is banned based on the specific model's ability to make it fully automatic. It’s unclear if the specific model of semiautomatic rifle Lanza reportedly used would have been forbidden under the expired assault weapons ban. The Bushmaster .223 “wasn’t banned by name” in the 1994 assault weapons ban. I suspect that she owned a model that "snuck under the wire" of the law - or she had it modified after the purchase to go fully auto.
The gun was not fully automatic and any gun including a lever action can be made full auto. John Browning made a lever action full auto. It just isn't easy for the average person ton do but with skill of a machinist sure , no problem

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#1088 Dec 17, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>While it is all well and good to go into those technicalities, regardless, whether it was specifically mentioned or not in the firearm laws, anybody with at least half a brain can understand why it is an assault rifle. If your detractors try hard enough, they might be able to understand as well.
No military would issue that as an assault rifle!

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