I'm off te exercise my 2nd Amendment Right!

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tallyho wrote:

just in INFO: an exercise in the second amendment..........

Three people are dead and four others, including two young girls, have been wounded after a shooting on an Indian reservation in central California.

A suspect, named by sheriff's officials as Hector Celaya, 31, was later seriously wounded in a shoot-out with police after a car chase.

Police said a preliminary investigation indicated Celaya had allegedly shot his two daughters, aged five and eight, who were both found in the car.

That is not an exercise in the second amendment. The second amendment does not apply to Indian Reservations.

http://georgetownlawjournal.org/files/2012/06...

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the 2nd applies off and he shot off the [at a police officer] reservation and was arrested off the reservation..........

Celaya, had also shot and wounded his two daughters, ages 5 and 8, while trying to flee in a vehicle. Celaya, opened fire on Tulare County sheriff’s deputies six hours after the shooting, where he was wounded in returned fire before being arrested.

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<shakes head> come on guys stop your fighting.

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tallyho wrote:

the 2nd applies off and he shot off the [at a police officer] reservation and was arrested off the reservation..........

Celaya, had also shot and wounded his two daughters, ages 5 and 8, while trying to flee in a vehicle. Celaya, opened fire on Tulare County sheriffÂ’s deputies six hours after the shooting, where he was wounded in returned fire before being arrested.

The original crime took place on the reservation. Therefore, he was already a murderer by the time police encountered him. Thus it was not the second amendment he was exercising.

As an aside, I wouldn't be shocked if ,after further investigation, it is learned that the police actually wounded the girls rather than their dad. If it doesn't get covered up.

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Sock Puppet Theater wrote:

<shakes head> come on guys stop your fighting.

Lol, stay on this thread a while posting with him. Get back to me on that.

[tallyho]

since I have no idea if he has dual citizenship or not...and you don't either .... he is off reservation ... does that mean he can't be tried or even arrested for any crime

huuuuuuuuuuum

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tallyho wrote:

since I have no idea if he has dual citizenship or not...and you don't either .... he is off reservation ... does that mean he can't be tried or even arrested for any crime

huuuuuuuuuuum

He will be tried by the tribal court.

[tallyho]

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He will be tried by the tribal court.

listen all bull aside , I'm am aware of tribes are recognized independent sovereign... but there are two puzzling factors here..........
A] county police were summoned...why?
B] he shot at arresting deps... so that was off reservation
but my point is either or he as having dual citizenship is subject to the laws of the US off reservation.. for sure
and I suspect the state laws of Calf.
problems , no police are allowed on reservation ,unless it violates a Federal law where Fed permits and licenses are required like gambling ....or invited
it is a very legally complicated mess ... who has the power I assume ...

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tallyho wrote:

<quoted text>listen all bull aside , I'm am aware of tribes are recognized independent sovereign... but there are two puzzling factors here..........
A] county police were summoned...why?
B] he shot at arresting deps... so that was off reservation
but my point is either or he as having dual citizenship is subject to the laws of the US off reservation.. for sure
and I suspect the state laws of Calf.
problems , no police are allowed on reservation ,unless it violates a Federal law where Fed permits and licenses are required like gambling ....or invited
it is a very legally complicated mess ... who has the power I assume ...

My reasoning is this. The crime originated on the reservation. California's cities and townships are dropping like flies to bankruptcy. I'm sure the counties are struggling as well. I just don't see them fighting for jurisdiction just to spend money on incarceration, trial, and sentencing when the tribal court could do it.

As to why county deputies were called, I don't know.

I'm curious to hear updated information on this case.

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My reasoning is this. The crime originated on the reservation. California's cities and townships are dropping like flies to bankruptcy. I'm sure the counties are struggling as well. I just don't see them fighting for jurisdiction just to spend money on incarceration, trial, and sentencing when the tribal court could do it.
As to why county deputies were called, I don't know.
I'm curious to hear updated information on this case.

my point is this: it is a capitol crime , tribal court can not try a cap crime... so who gets it State /Fed ??????

that reservation may not have reservation police force

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My reasoning is this. The crime originated on the reservation. California's cities and townships are dropping like flies to bankruptcy. I'm sure the counties are struggling as well. I just don't see them fighting for jurisdiction just to spend money on incarceration, trial, and sentencing when the tribal court could do it.
As to why county deputies were called, I don't know.
I'm curious to hear updated information on this case.

county police , county jurisdiction ...

like rank in the service ...city/county/state/fed in that order of course .......

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We will see. Government decisions make no sense to me. The major that shot up the military base was shot and would have died if not given medical attention quickly. My thoughts at the time were, let the bastard die. Save the tax dollars. But, what did they do? Save his life at taxpayer expense. Continue medical care at taxpayer expense, house him at taxpayer expense. Try him at taxpayer expense. sentence him to death, at taxpayer expense. Incarcerate him in the meantime at taxpayer expense.

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We will see. Government decisions make no sense to me. The major that shot up the military base was shot and would have died if not given medical attention quickly. My thoughts at the time were, let the bastard die. Save the tax dollars. But, what did they do? Save his life at taxpayer expense. Continue medical care at taxpayer expense, house him at taxpayer expense. Try him at taxpayer expense. sentence him to death, at taxpayer expense. Incarcerate him in the meantime at taxpayer expense.

So, we can put you down in the "Christian" column, I guess?

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Ferrerman wrote:

<quoted text>So, we can put you down in the "Christian" column, I guess?

Because I see no reason to waste tax dollars for the same end result? Really?
Self righteous much?

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Because I see no reason to waste tax dollars for the same end result? Really?
Self righteous much?

I guess anarchist too seeing as how you're not much on due process, let alone government.

So, what brings you to a country like America and how can you stand it here?

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Ferrerman wrote:

<quoted text>I guess anarchist too seeing as how you're not much on due process, let alone government.

So, what brings you to a country like America and how can you stand it here?

Due process required heroic life saving medical procedures be performed on a mass murderer?

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Due process required heroic life saving medical procedures be performed on a mass murderer?

"We the people..."

One of the reasons we the people do things like that is to keep us from becoming we the people of Nazi Germany or of communist China- just to name two.

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Ferrerman wrote:

<quoted text>"We the people..."

One of the reasons we the people do things like that is to keep us from becoming we the people of Nazi Germany or of communist China- just to name two.

That wasn't an answer to my question.

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That wasn't an answer to my question.

Yes, it was.

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Ferrerman wrote:

<quoted text>So, we can put you down in the "Christian" column, I guess?

Christian, right wing, gay bashing, don't tax the rich, give me more guns, red neck southern yahoo apparently....