Woman in TX hit by bullet from Mexico

Feb 22, 2012 Full story: WISH-TV Indianapolis 23

A woman shopping on a busy downtown El Paso street became the first victim of bullets flying across the border from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, on Tuesday when she was hit in the calf and wounded, authorities said.

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Level 1

Since: Feb 12

Frisco, TX

#1 Feb 22, 2012
Well when you have a bunch of drug cartel's you really think they care where the lead lands. there just a bunch of animals go figure
ima

El Paso, TX

#3 Feb 22, 2012
What does Calderon have to say about this? Surely he says it couldn't be but we know better, he will continue object to our warning to our citizens to STAY AWAY FROM MEXICO.
Call Klondike five five

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Feb 22, 2012
Better get AG Holder on a plane, fast.
There may be illegals involved in this!

“New & Improved..”

Level 8

Since: Oct 07

Formerly From Kenya

#5 Feb 22, 2012
Out in the West Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with a Spanish cartel
Night-time would find me quick dodging shrapnel
Music would play to the bullets and shells
Aspirin Between My Legos

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Feb 22, 2012
ima wrote:
What does Calderon have to say about this? Surely he says it couldn't be but we know better, he will continue object to our warning to our citizens to STAY AWAY FROM MEXICO.
He says a lack of common sense gun control in the States, as well as States' buyers being the target market for illegal drugs, leads to the scale of violence in Mexico.

Which part of that doesn't make sense?
Call Klondike five five

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Feb 22, 2012
Aspirin Between My Legos wrote:
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He says a lack of common sense gun control in the States, as well as States' buyers being the target market for illegal drugs, leads to the scale of violence in Mexico.
Which part of that doesn't make sense?
The part that is missing where the concerned ministers coalition meets with the mayor.
ima

El Paso, TX

#8 Feb 22, 2012
Aspirin Between My Legos wrote:
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He says a lack of common sense gun control in the States, as well as States' buyers being the target market for illegal drugs, leads to the scale of violence in Mexico.
Which part of that doesn't make sense?
None of it does! The US is NOT RESPONSIBLE for any of Mexico's woes. Mexico's past presidents and their lack of patriotism brought it to the state it's in.

Level 6

Since: Apr 08

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#9 Feb 22, 2012
Aspirin Between My Legos wrote:
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He says a lack of common sense gun control in the States, as well as States' buyers being the target market for illegal drugs, leads to the scale of violence in Mexico.
Which part of that doesn't make sense?
Makes as much sense as this:

http://s1107.photobucket.com/albums/h399/Alab...

or this:

http://s1107.photobucket.com/albums/h399/Alab...
Aspirin Between My Legos

Philadelphia, PA

#10 Feb 22, 2012
ima wrote:
<quoted text> None of it does! The US is NOT RESPONSIBLE for any of Mexico's woes. Mexico's past presidents and their lack of patriotism brought it to the state it's in.
Oh, let's see if you can be stupider.

So the drugs from Mexico don't have their market in the US?

Or you don't think the violence is drug related?

It has to be one of the two.

And the guns - You think they're Russian or Chinese made?

Be sure to answer this time. Git ur hom skool teechur to hewlp.

“Jody”

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Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#11 Feb 22, 2012
Asault across the state line?
Odumbas s Policies

Carlisle, PA

#12 Feb 22, 2012
Aspirin Between My Legos wrote:
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Oh, let's see if you can be stupider.
So the drugs from Mexico don't have their market in the US?
Or you don't think the violence is drug related?
It has to be one of the two.
And the guns - You think they're Russian or Chinese made?
Be sure to answer this time. Git ur hom skool teechur to hewlp.
The guns may be some of the ones Eric Holder and Obummer gave them in Fast and Furious fiasco.
Odumbas s Policies

Carlisle, PA

#13 Feb 22, 2012
Call Klondike five five wrote:
Better get AG Holder on a plane, fast.
There may be illegals involved in this!
He better get that gun from them and throw it in the drink, asap.
Moliner

El Centro, CA

#14 Feb 22, 2012
Aspirin Between My Legos wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, let's see if you can be stupider.
So the drugs from Mexico don't have their market in the US?
Or you don't think the violence is drug related?
It has to be one of the two.
And the guns - You think they're Russian or Chinese made?
Be sure to answer this time. Git ur hom skool teechur to hewlp.
Obviously, you are a product of public schooling.

I attended junior high school in the Philadelphia area. Amazing how far the quality of education in Pennsylvania has gone down hill.
Aspirin Between My Legos

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Feb 22, 2012
Odumbas s Policies wrote:
<quoted text>The guns may be some of the ones Eric Holder and Obummer gave them in Fast and Furious fiasco.
Okay, so you couldn't refute any of my points. The guns are from the US. The drugs flow to US markets.

Of course sting operations are troublesome all the time to civil libertarians, and rarely to right wingers. This one sounds like it was a real mess.

But the number of guns from that attempted sting operation are but a fraction of the weapons the Mexican drug cartels have, so my simple, clearly laid out questions about where all the causes of this extreme violence on the US border arise from remain.

Why don't you git ur hom skool teechur to hewlp u adres them?
Aspirin Between My Legos

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Feb 22, 2012
Moliner wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously, you are a product of public schooling.
I attended junior high school in the Philadelphia area. Amazing how far the quality of education in Pennsylvania has gone down hill.
Hey cretin, why would you assume I was educated in a PA school at all.

Don't pretend you're not another moron.

And answer my questions about where the guns come from (the US) and where the drugs go to (the US.) If you think all the violence in northern Mexico is not driven by guns and drugs then you can surely explain what is driving it.

But you can't, either.
Moliner

El Centro, CA

#17 Feb 22, 2012
Aspirin Between My Legos wrote:
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Hey cretin, why would you assume I was educated in a PA school at all.
Don't pretend you're not another moron.
And answer my questions about where the guns come from (the US) and where the drugs go to (the US.) If you think all the violence in northern Mexico is not driven by guns and drugs then you can surely explain what is driving it.
But you can't, either.
I was going by our ISP location.

I guess you must have been educated in Illinois, considering your comments.

No, the violence in Northern Mexico (note Northern is capitalized, not lower case) is not driven by guns and drugs. Guns and drugs are the vehicles. The cause is the massively corrupt Mexican government and if you can't see that, I hope to Hell you don't vote 'cause you aren't informed enough to do so.

See, that wasn't so hard to explain, was it?
Aspirin Between My Legos

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Feb 22, 2012
Moliner wrote:
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I was going by our ISP location.
Well that was damn dumb of you, particularly in the context of implying I am stupid or uneducated, Jethro.

Hey moron: Even with a corrupt Mexican government - and the US is not corrupt?- there still would be all the violence which is _clearly_ motivated and enabled by all the guns and all the drug money. And the money from the drugs, and the guns, themselves facilitate the corruption in Mexico. We know this because we know politicians are being bought off and threatened with violence all the time. Their corpses show up on TV in the US.

Absent the drug money and all the guns, which come from the US, how much violence in northern Mexico do you think there would be? The exact same amount?

I just want to hear you say something else ludicrous...and you have no other response given your BS position than, "Yes, there would be the same gang wars, the same amount of violence even without the drug money at stake or the inflow of guns from the US."

It is a perfectly obvious conclusion that US appetite for the drugs and the flow of guns from the US play major roles in the violence in northern Mexico. It is glaringly simple.
Moliner

El Centro, CA

#19 Feb 23, 2012
Aspirin Between My Legos wrote:
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Well that was damn dumb of you, particularly in the context of implying I am stupid or uneducated, Jethro.
Hey moron: Even with a corrupt Mexican government - and the US is not corrupt?- there still would be all the violence which is _clearly_ motivated and enabled by all the guns and all the drug money. And the money from the drugs, and the guns, themselves facilitate the corruption in Mexico. We know this because we know politicians are being bought off and threatened with violence all the time. Their corpses show up on TV in the US.
Absent the drug money and all the guns, which come from the US, how much violence in northern Mexico do you think there would be? The exact same amount?
I just want to hear you say something else ludicrous...and you have no other response given your BS position than, "Yes, there would be the same gang wars, the same amount of violence even without the drug money at stake or the inflow of guns from the US."
It is a perfectly obvious conclusion that US appetite for the drugs and the flow of guns from the US play major roles in the violence in northern Mexico. It is glaringly simple.
Well, for starters, Jethro, we weren't talking about a corrupt U.S. government, we were talking about Mexico.

As for violence in Mexico, without the guns and drugs.... that's been going on for over a hundred years. Going to blame that on the American drug habit? Going to blame that on American guns?

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

So, shove that "the guns came from the U.S." rhetoric where the sun doesn't shine.

You may well be educated, but you're still stupid. No amount of education will cure that.

You might want to enlighten yourself just a little bit and study the history of violence in Mexico.

“Yes I hate”

Level 2

Since: Feb 12

here

#20 Feb 23, 2012
I bet the insurance company makes the claim hell.
Level 2

Since: Dec 07

DuPage County

#21 Feb 23, 2012
Muck Fexico!

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