Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222984 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#121058 Aug 28, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I am still a lowly geology bachelor of science.
I remember from my college days that some engineers could be nerdy but not all that bright. They could learn how to use mathematical formulas but half the time they did not know the why behind them. Not that there are not brilliant engineers. Or that there are not dumb geologists. Having a higher education is no guarantee that you will know how to think. Some of the classes in non-science subjects helped me with that. They are usually not appreciated when we are undergrads and it is not until later that they are appreciated.
Most of the people I employ are specialist in their field. We got the job of creating a 3D mimic control system for a nuclear plant so hired the services of a highly qualified engineer with experience not only in the field but in the actual plant. He taught the design of PWR nuclear systems at a world famous institute of technology and had designed the plant control system we were tasked with mimicking. He was clever, brilliant in his field but was totally stumped by a simple fuse blowing in the plug of his computer and each day we never could be sure until he actually arrived that he got on the right bus when coming to work

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#121059 Aug 28, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Most of the people I employ are specialist in their field. We got the job of creating a 3D mimic control system for a nuclear plant so hired the services of a highly qualified engineer with experience not only in the field but in the actual plant. He taught the design of PWR nuclear systems at a world famous institute of technology and had designed the plant control system we were tasked with mimicking. He was clever, brilliant in his field but was totally stumped by a simple fuse blowing in the plug of his computer and each day we never could be sure until he actually arrived that he got on the right bus when coming to work
Crap. Here wee go with the engineer jokes.

:-(

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Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#121060 Aug 28, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Still misusing the word "information".
Does anyone think that he will ever quit?
No.'information' is the latest in a long line of meanlingless arguments designed to help Creationists save face.'MacroEvolution' was another. The idea is to keep creating or redefining terms so they never have to admit their 'science' isn't science. Once they get tired of getting beat up over 'information', they'll pick a new one.

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Everett, WA

#121061 Aug 28, 2014
TedHOhio wrote:
<quoted text>No.'information' is the latest in a long line of meanlingless arguments designed to help Creationists save face.'MacroEvolution' was another. The idea is to keep creating or redefining terms so they never have to admit their 'science' isn't science. Once they get tired of getting beat up over 'information', they'll pick a new one.
Yes, it is a constant moving of the goalposts by creationists. Luckily there numbers seem to be dwindling. Hopefully the internet and the information ( evil smile ) that it makes available to everyone will be the final end of that vial belief.

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#121062 Aug 28, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Crap. Here wee go with the engineer jokes.
:-(
May I assume that you are an engineer?... It was not a joke, despite what you may think. I have the greatest respect for the skills and knowledge of the engineer, the reason I hired him was because without his expertise we could not have even bid for the job, yet alone completed it. This guy really was brilliant, he simply had one or two glaringly obvious stereotypical problems with real life that I thought worthy of mention given SZs post.

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Everett, WA

#121063 Aug 28, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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There is information whenever there is interaction of matter with itself. The way that atoms react to each other carries and *is* information. The fact that an oxygen atom will react differently to hydrogen than a carbon atom will *is* information.
In other words, information existed LONG before life came on the scene. The very molecules that make up the universe are filled with information. For example, a water molecule is information that water exists in the environment. Another molecule that reacts with water can carry information about the existence of that water by its reaction. That is how we can test for water in an environment.
The point is that information is inherent in causal reactions: any time two things interact and change each other, their new condition is information about that previous reaction.
He knows there is more than one type of information. I pointed out several physical forms of information that had no intelligence behind them. He ignored it.

He wants to claim the so called information found in DNA has to come from an intelligent source.
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United States

#121064 Aug 28, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Crap. Here wee go with the engineer jokes.
:-(
Then tell us how many engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

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#121065 Aug 28, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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May I assume that you are an engineer?... It was not a joke, despite what you may think. I have the greatest respect for the skills and knowledge of the engineer, the reason I hired him was because without his expertise we could not have even bid for the job, yet alone completed it. This guy really was brilliant, he simply had one or two glaringly obvious stereotypical problems with real life that I thought worthy of mention given SZs post.
No harm, no foul. And, yes, you can make that assumption.
SPUD TATER

United States

#121066 Aug 28, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Most of the people I employ are specialist in their field. We got the job of creating a 3D mimic control system for a nuclear plant so hired the services of a highly qualified engineer with experience not only in the field but in the actual plant. He taught the design of PWR nuclear systems at a world famous institute of technology and had designed the plant control system we were tasked with mimicking. He was clever, brilliant in his field but was totally stumped by a simple fuse blowing in the plug of his computer and each day we never could be sure until he actually arrived that he got on the right bus when coming to work
I heard it takes four engineers to change a light bulb. One to hold the bulb and two to turn the ladder and another to read the drawings.

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#121067 Aug 28, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Try again. This is another poorly formed question.
Here we have another creationist that does not understand evidence. You know so little about the subject that you are debating that you cannot even ask proper questions.
Here is a clue. I never said there was proof, I said that there is evidence that the universe created itself. Evidence can support an idea without absolutely proving it.
You and your ilk are still cowards..sniveling cowards,...."oh you've asked a poorly worded question, and I'm far too dainty to answer"

Ha,Ha,Ha,

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Seffner, FL

#121068 Aug 28, 2014
SPUD TATER wrote:
<quoted text>Then tell us how many engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Six. One to write the procedure, another to test it, three to sign off on it and another to revise it again.

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#121069 Aug 28, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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No harm, no foul. And, yes, you can make that assumption.
:-)

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#121070 Aug 28, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Six. One to write the procedure, another to test it, three to sign off on it and another to revise it again.
You forgot quality control and audit, that accounts for at least another six.

But does the quality department fall under the auspices of engineering?

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#121071 Aug 28, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Crap. Here wee go with the engineer jokes.
:-(
A fellow was traveling in a hot air balloon and lost his bearings in a cloud bank.
He slowly lowered his altitude until he could faintly see the landscape below.
Eventually he spotted a human figure on a hill. He shouted below,
"Can you tell me where I am?"
The figure shouts back, "You are about 50 feet in the air in a hot air balloon."
The fellow shouts, "You must be an engineer!"
The figure affirms this is true and asks how he knew this.
The fellow explains, "Your answer was both completely accurate and utterly useless."
The figure shouts, "You must be a manager!"
The fellow affirms this is true and asks how he knew this.
The figure explains, "You've gotten your self lost, you have no idea where you are and now it is all my fault!"

:-P

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#121072 Aug 28, 2014
bohart wrote:
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You and your ilk are still cowards..sniveling cowards,...."oh you've asked a poorly worded question, and I'm far too dainty to answer"
Ha,Ha,Ha,
No moron, it was a helpful hint.

The problem is that you tard's like to play the heads I win tails you lose game by being dishonest when people answer you honestly. if you were honest I would have no problem answering your question.

Truly we all regret the night that your father did not bugger your mother.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#121073 Aug 28, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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You forgot quality control and audit, that accounts for at least another six.
But does the quality department fall under the auspices of engineering?
Necessary evils.

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#121074 Aug 28, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Necessary evils.
Evil? Certainly. Necessary? Depends on your point of view. The only people to defend QC jobs are QC personally

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#121075 Aug 28, 2014
SPUD TATER wrote:
<quoted text>Then tell us how many engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
I prefer, How does Bill Gates change a light bulb? He doesn't, he simply makes darkness a feature.

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#121076 Aug 28, 2014
bohart wrote:
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You and your ilk are still cowards..sniveling cowards,...."oh you've asked a poorly worded question, and I'm far too dainty to answer"
Ha,Ha,Ha,
Let's see ... we ask a question and you are either incapable or unwilling to answer it. You ask a strawman question, rather than falling into your transparent trap, we point out to you that your question is poorly worded and give you advice how to ask it in such a way that it will provide some meaningful information .... and we are the sniveling cowards? You do realize no one buys into that. Even the few people who once agreed with some of your comments are shying away from you. I think you are rapidly become a caricature.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#121077 Aug 28, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Hey mac. Didn't see you there. How are you doing? Been a while since I have seen you around as well.
Yo, Dan! Yeah, I'm still around.

Doin' fine, thanks. You?

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