Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 197264 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#120985 Aug 27, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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I think its only reasonable to assume an instinct of fear in organisms with the neurological and endocrine structures sufficient to support it. In more basic organisms, either the critter is fitted with responses that save it under particular conditions or its not. Natural selection will support the most appropriate responses, and eliminate the least appropriate ones. But there is no emotional or conscious element required, which "fear" implies. There is no internal mental state, not even the urge for survival, to exist. What we might anthropomorphise as an urge to survival in say a bacterium need be nothing more than a kit of the most appropriate responses, honed by natural selection.
Seems, I just repeated much of what you said in this post. Ah well, if not original, at least I am reasonably consistent.

“Seventh son”

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#120986 Aug 27, 2014
bohart wrote:
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DNA carries information, where did it come from?
Recorded from previous experience,

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Everett, WA

#120987 Aug 27, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Hey SZ. How are you doing? Haven't seen you in a while.
Good. I went into the heart of the Beast for a while. Taking on creationists on their own ground. I got the naughty boy treatment for pointing out to a fool that he was acting like a fool.

I came here to blow off a little steam by dealing with dishonest idiots directly.

I see wondering still can't be honest, bohart still does not have a clue and jimbo is as crazy as ever.
wondering

Morris, OK

#120988 Aug 27, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Lots of bacteria did die. Or didn't live the length or quality of a life that their nylonase expressing neighbors did. The appearance of nylonase in the population of bacteria is an example of evolution. That is what it is called.
The mutation of the gene that lead to the ability to express nylonase was a chance event. Nonrandom selection acts on this random event and if it results in those individuals with the gene being able to reproduce a greater mean number of offspring. Those that don't have the gene are surviving at best the same as they did before as long as selection favors those with the gene.
Your idea would then require an answer to why those without the gene don't have a survival instinct or at least don't have the same survival instinct. And you would still need to establish a survival instinct to begin with when no evidence supports that such exists. You are just anthropomorphizing bacterial genetics and not proposing a valid alternative to natural selection.
self-preservation is behavior that ensures the survival of an organism. self-preservation is therefore an almost universal hallmark of life, even in simple single celled bacteria.

any reproduction is about survival.(well in humans it is more about fun). no reproduction=no survival. each organism exists as the result of reproduction.

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#120989 Aug 27, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, Sub-Z.
I'd give up on this one. You'll have to take him back to "Sesame Street"-level learning just `to start him learning enough English just to start learning all the other things he'd need to know to make a coherent argument.
We're lookin' at years, here.
Hey mac. Didn't see you there. How are you doing? Been a while since I have seen you around as well.

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#120990 Aug 27, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Good. I went into the heart of the Beast for a while. Taking on creationists on their own ground. I got the naughty boy treatment for pointing out to a fool that he was acting like a fool.
I came here to blow off a little steam by dealing with dishonest idiots directly.
I see wondering still can't be honest, bohart still does not have a clue and jimbo is as crazy as ever.
Good to see you back.

Yes, I think that pretty much sums it up. I noticed your stalker is blazing for you. Sorry to see that. If it is any consolation, your running him around is very amusing.
wondering

Morris, OK

#120991 Aug 27, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Quit being a dishonest idiot.
Your demand was a demand of a proof. I know that science does not deal in proof, but that was the mistake that you made, not I. If you can' t see how you demanded proof then you are an even bigger idiot than I first thought.
There was no dodging on my part. Look how you reacted when I called your demand a question.
If you want answers to questions ask proper questions. Quit being dishonest.
I asked for solid scientific evidence that supports the earth created itself. i did not ask for proof. you are the one that threw proof in as a dodge tactic.

again,,,, this is not a question, "then it is simple. show the solid scientific evidence that says without a doubt, that the universe created itself. show it instead of just stating what you believe." it is a request for you to back what you say.

i see your back to calling it a question after you agreed it wasn't. make up your mind cupcake. lol

1) now lets be clear here.
2) this is not a question
3) therefore I am requesting that you back what you said when I say
4) "then it is simple. show the solid scientific evidence that says without a doubt, that the universe created itself. show it instead of just stating what you believe.(<<notice the period because it is not a question)
5) prediction,,,you will dodge my "REQUEST"/DEMAND and whine about something again.
wondering

Morris, OK

#120992 Aug 27, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Good to see you back.
Yes, I think that pretty much sums it up. I noticed your stalker is blazing for you. Sorry to see that. If it is any consolation, your running him around is very amusing.
randy if you consider me a stalker to sub, then you must be the super ultimate stalker to kab and oneway.
wondering

Morris, OK

#120993 Aug 27, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Recorded from previous experience,
where did the first life get its information? shock treatment?

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#120994 Aug 27, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Good. I went into the heart of the Beast for a while. Taking on creationists on their own ground. I got the naughty boy treatment for pointing out to a fool that he was acting like a fool.
I came here to blow off a little steam by dealing with dishonest idiots directly.
I see wondering still can't be honest, bohart still does not have a clue and jimbo is as crazy as ever.
Seems your stalker is "looking for fun" and I have caught is eye. Sorry, didn't mean to interfere with what you have going with your Topix Bitch.
wondering

Morris, OK

#120995 Aug 27, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Seems your stalker is "looking for fun" and I have caught is eye. Sorry, didn't mean to interfere with what you have going with your Topix Bitch.
don't you have kab and/or oneway to go stalk and ridicule. that is what you do best.
wondering

Morris, OK

#120996 Aug 27, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Your lack of education is shown by the questions you ask. It is not childish to point out that fact.
speaking of education. abut a month or so ago myself, dan, dogen, poly and others all told what are education is. you did not. is it perhaps you dodged that as well because you have no education? <<(this is a question)

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#120997 Aug 27, 2014
wondering wrote:
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I asked for solid scientific evidence that supports the earth created itself. i did not ask for proof. you are the one that threw proof in as a dodge tactic.
again,,,, this is not a question, "then it is simple. show the solid scientific evidence that says without a doubt, that the universe created itself. show it instead of just stating what you believe." it is a request for you to back what you say.
i see your back to calling it a question after you agreed it wasn't. make up your mind cupcake. lol
1) now lets be clear here.
2) this is not a question
3) therefore I am requesting that you back what you said when I say
4) "then it is simple. show the solid scientific evidence that says without a doubt, that the universe created itself. show it instead of just stating what you believe.(<<notice the period because it is not a question)
5) prediction,,,you will dodge my "REQUEST"/DEMAND and whine about something again.
Quit lying moron, it is not like your post is not still there for all of us to read. Here it is in its entirety:

"then it is simple. show the solid scientific evidence that says without a doubt, that the universe created itself. show it instead of just stating what you believe."

This is asking for proof. It may not be in the form of a proper question it is still asking for proof. You went beyond asking for evidence since you wanted it to show "without a doubt", in other words proof.

Try again. Be polite. Don't be a dishonest idiot, and you will get answers.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#120998 Aug 27, 2014
wondering wrote:
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speaking of education. abut a month or so ago myself, dan, dogen, poly and others all told what are education is. you did not. is it perhaps you dodged that as well because you have no education? <<(this is a question)
I have not been here of late. So what is your supposed level of education? In what field?

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#120999 Aug 27, 2014
wondering wrote:
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where did the first life get its information? shock treatment?
You are misusing the word "information". There was no need for an intelligence to put the "information" found in early life.

Remember there is information in varves. There is information in ice cores. There was no intelligence involved.

Once again you are conflating "information" from an intelligent source with inherent information.
wondering

Morris, OK

#121000 Aug 27, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I have not been here of late. So what is your supposed level of education? In what field?
another dodge. you were here because you said you thought i was lying about my education same as you said i was lying about what i said i support and why when you asked me what I 'believed"

“Seventh son”

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#121001 Aug 27, 2014
wondering wrote:
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where did the first life get its information? shock treatment?
Recorded from it predecessors
wondering

Morris, OK

#121002 Aug 27, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You are misusing the word "information". There was no need for an intelligence to put the "information" found in early life.
Remember there is information in varves. There is information in ice cores. There was no intelligence involved.
Once again you are conflating "information" from an intelligent source with inherent information.
I have to laugh at the way you bring up "creator" and "intelligent source" and then tell me I am the one more or less doing it. lol

life some how obtained information to reproduce, survive, etc etc. unless you believe it also taught itself from nothing when there was no prior information to pass on like you believe it created itself from nothing (so to speak). we get information passed on to us. first life had no prior information of anything.

“Seventh son”

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#121003 Aug 27, 2014
wondering wrote:
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I have to laugh at the way you bring up "creator" and "intelligent source" and then tell me I am the one more or less doing it. lol
life some how obtained information to reproduce, survive, etc etc. unless you believe it also taught itself from nothing when there was no prior information to pass on like you believe it created itself from nothing (so to speak). we get information passed on to us. first life had no prior information of anything.
Sure it did, this was a criteria for life to develop.
The ability to store information in dna/rna is a perquisite.
wondering

Morris, OK

#121004 Aug 27, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Recorded from it predecessors
what was before first life that it could be recorded from?

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