Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223046 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#119823 Aug 9, 2014
JM_Brazil wrote:
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Did God create himself?
No

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#119824 Aug 9, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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Quantum fluctuations. If you want references to scientific articles, I can provide.
were there quantum fluctuations before there was a universe?

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#119825 Aug 9, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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A bit more than an assertion, Bucko. It's called the Theory of Evolution. Perhaps you've heard of it?
There is no poofing of one species into another. The changes are gradual. There is no distinct separation from one to another.
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Which if it were true we would see fossils with miniature legs, fish/amphibians with gills and lungs etc. We don't see this in the fossil record. What we see is distinct organisms with no predecessors. Can you explain since we are seeing gradual change over time why we have no new phyla since the Cambrian Era? That's what 500 million years?
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They were complex, well-developed organisms with many types of differentiated cells, and it is widely conceded that evolution of these organisms from unicellular precursors within such a short period of time is highly doubtful.
http://www.allaboutscience.org/the-cambrian-e...
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Well, given the fact that the professional biologists and geneticists say otherwise, I'll go with their opinion over some clown on the internet with a messiah complex. But that's just me.
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Yeah these guys have never been wrong before. You are tacitly admitting you don't even understand the science. You can't answer the hard questions, and you resort to name calling like a child in the playground.
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By the way the Emperor has no clothes on. And no you are not pissing me off.
We do have a fossil record showing the changes that occur over time. That you deny it doesn't wish it away into the cornfield. Archaeopteryx was an ancient bird, but it still had features of its dinosaur ancestry (teeth, tail and brain among other features). And it is just one example.

Believe as you like, but don't lie about the facts that you don't even understand.

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#119826 Aug 9, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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This is actually wrong. Gould documented cases in the fossil record showing stages of 'fast' evolution. In this way, he showed it was not simply a relic of a poor fossil record. Now, in some cases, the record *is* poor.
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Anything more than about 50,000 years is background noise. Do you have any dinosaur fossils with *valid* C14 dates?
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But way before radioactive dating, it was understood that the earth is much older than a few tens of thousands of years. So you are only right in the sense that *billions* of years for the earliest materials were not known, it was very well known that at least tens of millions of years were required.
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I would say your lack of checking shows you are not doing a good job. You clearly don't understand the history of these ideas; the evidence that lead to the conclusions we have; the limitations of that evidence; or why the previous ideas were discarded.
Well you could use dog bones, to show how a 10 oz pocket poodle evolved into great danes and bull mastiffs, it would make a great chart , just like the idiotic ones showing how fish crawled out of the sea , turned into rats ,then monkeys, then chimps, apes then astronauts .one problem,...it would be bullshit wouldn't it?

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#119827 Aug 9, 2014
THINK wrote:
<quoted text>Highly excited non-thermal electrons diffused and some reached a junction where they accelerated and branched into a different material by a built in potential. The proton-proton reaction was first when two hydrogen nuclei (protons) fused and one converted to a neutron and made a deuterium, then a third proton formed the light isotope of helium and energy began to release.
Where did the non thermal electrons come from?
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#119828 Aug 10, 2014
bohart wrote:
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Well you could use dog bones, to show how a 10 oz pocket poodle evolved into great danes and bull mastiffs, it would make a great chart , just like the idiotic ones showing how fish crawled out of the sea , turned into rats ,then monkeys, then chimps, apes then astronauts .one problem,...it would be bullshit wouldn't it?
Do you have something BETTER than this silly CRAP?
Maybe some ... uhhh ... SUBSTANTIAL?

You wanna see how fish managed to crawl out of the water?

Even today nature is doing the tricks.
And all the steps in between:
https://www.youtube.com/watch... (fully aquatic fish walking)
https://www.youtube.com/watch... (fish crawling the land)
https://www.youtube.com/watch... (salamander without lungs)

Note, these are extant species showing their natural behaviour. apart from swimming, they walk the land on a daily basis.

And, watch https://www.youtube.com/watch... , a message by a believer.

We have the fossils of similar land dwelling fish from de Devonian, starting with bony fish like Eusthenopteron, proceeding with Tiktaalik, like extant mudskippers a fish walking the land, Eusthenopteron, the first, primitive amphibian. And a bunch of intermediary species along that path, in the correct chronological order and showing all the gradual steps on every relevant trait. For instance, having both lungs and gills. Or bony skeletons instead of cartilage.

You didn't know of this?
Bet you didn't.

Now, leave the science up to the ones that intellectually are fit and equipped for it.
You may dance and worship around on your weekly bronze age mythology seances shouting times "Hallelujah" all the time.
So now and then you may buy one of the products that technology (=science) brings forth, like the computer you are abusing spreading bronze age mythology crap.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#119829 Aug 10, 2014
bohart wrote:
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No
How do you know?
You weren't there.

“See how you are?”

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#119830 Aug 10, 2014
bohart wrote:
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What caused time?
I have already told you more than once that without time causality is a meaningless term because you must have time in order for there to be a prior cause and following effect. Your question nullifies itself by setting the condition that time pre-existed time. You can call that evasive if you wish, but it doesn't change your question - no matter how many times you ask it.
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119831 Aug 10, 2014
The scriptures tell us that the Spirit of God moved in the beginning when the heaven and the earth were created. We can generally define the Spirit of God in the beginning as the non physical part of him and the seat of his emotions and character where the qualities that formed the first matter was quintessential. The scriptures tell us that God said Let there be light; and there was light. God had the power and energy that was required for sustained physical activity and this strength brought about the first matter that utilized physical resources especially to provide light and heat to do his work. Matter was the particulars from which his work came in the beginning and it consisted of physical elements rather than the mind or Spirit and it was of importance and essential. Jesus taught that the kingdom of heaven was like a very small seed and then it branched out and became great.
KeepCalmNcarryON

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#119832 Aug 10, 2014
messianic114 wrote:

"Which if it were true we would see fossils with miniature legs, fish/amphibians with gills and lungs etc. We don't see this in the fossil record. What we see is distinct organisms with no predecessors. Can you explain since we are seeing gradual change over time why we have no new phyla since the Cambrian Era? That's what 500 million years?
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There ARE fossils that show these intermediary changes. There are fossils of short-necked giraffes, to name JUST ONE example from memory.
Dan, How are you always so patient with this?
The guy doesn't learn from the knowledge freely shared and progress with the conversation.
I'm sorry to say this, but for the fact my passion will not allow my silence: People who disrespect knowledge and refuse reality bring out the barroom brawler in me. This kind of disrespect DOES NOT OCCUR IN PUBLIC, why should we put up with it on a national editorials pages? Yes, that's what this is. Topix is owned by the thee biggest newspapers in the U.S.. This IS an editorials pages like in ANY NEWSPAPER. Why would any one come to post here without respect for themselves in a forum, debate or conversation?
Anonymity has it's perks AND drawbacks.
Public shaming is an effective way to make people aware of good manners and social skills. REWARD for good behavior: Compliments.
agreements, Positive judge its. Positive reinforcements are EXCELLENT ways to achieve meaningful progressing debates and to stimulate EDUCATION as well as debate.
When I think of the sweet moment i shared with Bohart about a month or less ago, I think it best for me to FORGET the Barroom brawler,
and Just LEAVE IT! at the bar.
God Bless You ALL
6:27 AM pst

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#119833 Aug 10, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The scriptures tell us that the Spirit of God moved in the beginning when the heaven and the earth were created. We can generally define the Spirit of God in the beginning as the non physical part of him and the seat of his emotions and character where the qualities that formed the first matter was quintessential. The scriptures tell us that God said Let there be light; and there was light. God had the power and energy that was required for sustained physical activity and this strength brought about the first matter that utilized physical resources especially to provide light and heat to do his work. Matter was the particulars from which his work came in the beginning and it consisted of physical elements rather than the mind or Spirit and it was of importance and essential. Jesus taught that the kingdom of heaven was like a very small seed and then it branched out and became great.
The Grimm's tell us that a queen had an omniscient talking mirror. What's your point?
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119834 Aug 10, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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The Grimm's tell us that a queen had an omniscient talking mirror. What's your point?
My point is that we have been given the answer as to what caused all things in the beginning and how it was.

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#119835 Aug 10, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
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My point is that we have been given the answer as to what caused all things in the beginning and how it was.
Good enough for a caveman , but we need a little better explanation.
Sheppard are for sheep , remember?

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#119836 Aug 10, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
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My point is that we have been given the answer as to what caused all things in the beginning and how it was.
No, we haven't. There are many books of myth out there. For the real answer we have to find them ourselves.

I assume that you are a Christian by your user name and the book of Genesis as a whole has been shown to be a book of myth. And a rather immoral one at that.
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119837 Aug 10, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Good enough for a caveman , but we need a little better explanation.
Sheppard are for sheep , remember?
Jesus is the good shepherd and he gave an analogy concerning the kingdom of God, and he compared it to a small mustard seed that became great. Jesus used terms that farmers of that day would have understood. The black mustard seed was probably the smallest seed they knew of and it could grow as tall as twelve feet. We also read in scripture that the Word of God was the seed.

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#119839 Aug 10, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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You will read a lot of BS from the evolutionists on here, just watch the attacks to follow soon:
I believe the Genesis account of creation, and that what one believes about his origin will determine his philosophy of life. I believe creation was a direct act of God, in six literal 24 hour solar days, instantaneous and miraculous. I believe man was created in the image of God and all reproduction was “after their kind."
Believe whatever you like. Just don't try to force your belief on others as if it were fact.
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#119840 Aug 10, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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You will read a lot of BS from the evolutionists on here, just watch the attacks to follow soon:
I believe the Genesis account of creation, and that what one believes about his origin will determine his philosophy of life. I believe creation was a direct act of God, in six literal 24 hour solar days, instantaneous and miraculous. I believe man was created in the image of God and all reproduction was “after their kind."
Bait.
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#119842 Aug 10, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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Actually Evolutionists are the ones forcing their false pseudo-science belief system in the Public School System. No wonder some of our Children graduate High School without being able to understand simple math and science or read and write.
More chum?
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#119845 Aug 10, 2014
As long as I keep pointing out your tactics it will become apparent that an invalid argument for the sake of NOTHING but to ABUSE by drawing in people into endless go-arounds, is not worth a response.
Creationism is dead. IN REAL LIFE>
Right NOW
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1:51 PM pst
8/10/14
God is very much alive and well WITHOUT the NONSENSE!
;-D !
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

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#119846 Aug 10, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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You will read a lot of BS from the evolutionists on here, just watch the attacks to follow soon:
I believe the Genesis account of creation, and that what one believes about his origin will determine his philosophy of life. I believe creation was a direct act of God, in six literal 24 hour solar days, instantaneous and miraculous. I believe man was created in the image of God and all reproduction was “after their kind."
Why then were you utterly unable to address the post produced by the "evolutionists"?
Apart from the constant flow of crap and rubbish, the only thing you do is dodge and duck.
Tell us, why weren't you answering our posts?

You have nothing worthwhile to tell apart from caboodle that I would feel ashamed even as 12 years old.

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