Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221398 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#119746 Aug 7, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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Anyone can come up with an explanation. I want one that is supported either mathmatically or by some other means we can be confident in.
No you don't.

Why are you still lying, Messy?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#119747 Aug 7, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You all do your best to rewrite it.
Like *this* guy?

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/christi...

(Michael Peroutka has apparently won the Republican primary for a county council seat in Maryland’s Anne Arundel County)

Peroutka runs the Institute on the Constitution, which promotes Christian Reconstructionist ideology, and, as reported by journalist Sarah Posner, has trained local Tea Party groups with its 12-part course on the biblical basis of the Constitution. Peroutka embraces Christian Reconstructionists’ radically limited view of the role of government.

He (Peroutka) has written: "Since civil government is ordained by God in order to protect God-given rights, then the function of civil government is to obey God and to enforce God’s law – PERIOD. It is not the role of civil government to house, feed, clothe, educate or give heath care to…ANYBODY!"

Peroutka said much the same thing at Larry Klaymen’s failed revolutionary rally in Washington, D.C. earlier this year which was supposed to oust President Obama from office.

“There is a God. Our rights come from him. The purpose of civil government is to protect and defend God-given rights. This is the American view of law and government. It also happens to be the biblical view of law and government. America was founded upon the biblical view of law and government….”
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#119748 Aug 7, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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For example, when the theory of punctuated equilibrium came out, there was a LOT of debate about the particulars. But now it is accepted as a standard part of the modern view of evolution.
Uh oh.

Whenever you start using big words, everyone knows your post will be incoherent.
messianic114 wrote:
This is because it has become obvious the transitional forms are missing, not because they are reading the evidence correctly.
If that was true then fossils wouldn't exist.
messianic114 wrote:
I have posted that they are finding way too much C14 in dinosaur fossils (way less than 1 million years).
Don't worry, Dimbeam has been posting that people born after Jesus died and who didn't believe in him anyway is evidence that he was magic. You're still both wrong though.
messianic114 wrote:
They don't take this evidence to mean the timelines are wrong, they look for a way to explain away the obvious. Remember it was this same radiometric dating that gave them the extremely long ages to begin with. The fact that they didn't check for decades to confirm the theory tells me they are not doing a good job.
Because obviously you're qualified to judge despite being a scientific illiterate.(shrug)
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119749 Aug 7, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>What if the label actually applies?
Labels should not be used. Most labels are just used as an attack against groups with simply differing doctrines or practices. The shoe could be on the other foot when someone says an evolutionists is a member of a bunch of people with deviant beliefs and practices just to try and control someones thoughts about them. Just because someone has beliefs that make other people uncomfortable, this should not disqualify them from the jury.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#119750 Aug 7, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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Anyone can come up with an explanation. I want one that is supported either mathmatically or by some other means we can be confident in. We already have someone using gravitational waves as a cause when in reality they are more likely an effect.
Quantum fluctuations. If you want references to scientific articles, I can provide.
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119751 Aug 7, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You all do your best to rewrite it.
Not me! It is what it is.
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119752 Aug 7, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Because it provides freedoms that he is uncomfortable with and it turns out, not based on the 10 commandments.
I'm a freedom loving American. I believe in freedom of thought as well.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#119753 Aug 7, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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Uh oh.
Whenever you start using big words, everyone knows your post will be incoherent.
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If that was true then fossils wouldn't exist.
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Don't worry, Dimbeam has been posting that people born after Jesus died and who didn't believe in him anyway is evidence that he was magic. You're still both wrong though.
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Because obviously you're qualified to judge despite being a scientific illiterate.(shrug)
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If that was true then fossils wouldn't exist.
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Fossils are not transitional forms. They are evidence of something that was once alive. The fossil does not nor cannot tell us who its ancestors or descendants are.
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Don't worry, Dimbeam has been posting that people born after Jesus died and who didn't believe in him anyway is evidence that he was magic. You're still both wrong though.
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Another brilliant argument.
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Because obviously you're qualified to judge despite being a scientific illiterate.(shrug)
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Just another ad hominem attack instead or real debate.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#119754 Aug 7, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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For example, when the theory of punctuated equilibrium came out, there was a LOT of debate about the particulars. But now it is accepted as a standard part of the modern view of evolution.
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This is because it has become obvious the transitional forms are missing, not because they are reading the evidence correctly.
This is actually wrong. Gould documented cases in the fossil record showing stages of 'fast' evolution. In this way, he showed it was not simply a relic of a poor fossil record. Now, in some cases, the record *is* poor.
I have posted that they are finding way too much C14 in dinosaur fossils (way less than 1 million years).
Anything more than about 50,000 years is background noise. Do you have any dinosaur fossils with *valid* C14 dates?
They don't take this evidence to mean the timelines are wrong, they look for a way to explain away the obvious. Remember it was this same radiometric dating that gave them the extremely long ages to begin with.
But way before radioactive dating, it was understood that the earth is much older than a few tens of thousands of years. So you are only right in the sense that *billions* of years for the earliest materials were not known, it was very well known that at least tens of millions of years were required.
The fact that they didn't check for decades to confirm the theory tells me they are not doing a good job.
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I would say your lack of checking shows you are not doing a good job. You clearly don't understand the history of these ideas; the evidence that lead to the conclusions we have; the limitations of that evidence; or why the previous ideas were discarded.
messianic114

Calgary, Canada

#119755 Aug 7, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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Quantum fluctuations. If you want references to scientific articles, I can provide.
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What I would like is you to provide in your own words (ones I will understand) how everything that exists came into being. I assume that you admit the universe is not eternal. If you think the universe is eternal, please explain why we aren't in a "dead from heat loss" universe now.
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Secondly are these quantum fluctuations still happening and if so are they creating new universes? If so where is the evidence of this?
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Thank you for answering my post.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#119757 Aug 7, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
Fossils are not transitional forms.
All of them are. Everything alive or once was alive is transitional.
messianic114 wrote:
They are evidence of something that was once alive.
True. They are
messianic114 wrote:
The fossil does not nor cannot tell us who its ancestors or descendants are.
A single fossil, yes. A sequence of fossils can tell us quite a bit about ancestors and descendants.
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119758 Aug 7, 2014
Everything goes in a cycle or circuit throughout nature and a mathematics concerning patterns should be used to explain this. We may mathematically describe a set whose every point is contained in a scaled down copy of the set. Structured repeating patterns containing shapes that are the whole but of different sizes throughout. Even what appears to be irregular patterns are made of parts that are in some way similar to the whole. Nature has a property called self-similarity and these shapes like tree branches have what some call non-integer dimensions and lines like rivers and mountains can be represented by fractal mathematics.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#119759 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a freedom loving American. I believe in freedom of thought as well.
Then BEWARE of creationists.
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#119760 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Everything goes in a cycle or circuit throughout nature and a mathematics concerning patterns should be used to explain this. We may mathematically describe a set whose every point is contained in a scaled down copy of the set. Structured repeating patterns containing shapes that are the whole but of different sizes throughout. Even what appears to be irregular patterns are made of parts that are in some way similar to the whole. Nature has a property called self-similarity and these shapes like tree branches have what some call non-integer dimensions and lines like rivers and mountains can be represented by fractal mathematics.
You're describing sacred geometry
the basic shapes, their numerical "values"
..........

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#119761 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Everything goes in a cycle or circuit throughout nature and a mathematics concerning patterns should be used to explain this. We may mathematically describe a set whose every point is contained in a scaled down copy of the set. Structured repeating patterns containing shapes that are the whole but of different sizes throughout. Even what appears to be irregular patterns are made of parts that are in some way similar to the whole. Nature has a property called self-similarity and these shapes like tree branches have what some call non-integer dimensions and lines like rivers and mountains can be represented by fractal mathematics.
RPG?
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#119762 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Everything goes in a cycle or circuit throughout nature and a mathematics concerning patterns should be used to explain this. We may mathematically describe a set whose every point is contained in a scaled down copy of the set. Structured repeating patterns containing shapes that are the whole but of different sizes throughout. Even what appears to be irregular patterns are made of parts that are in some way similar to the whole. Nature has a property called self-similarity and these shapes like tree branches have what some call non-integer dimensions and lines like rivers and mountains can be represented by fractal mathematics.
I've mentioned pseudo-science before. This is an ancient reckoning of how the universe is supposed to work and i'm not saying it has no bearing on reality, it may. It is however, a difficult subject to even introduce into a thread about biological evolution or creation.
That's why I have avoided doing so myself
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119763 Aug 7, 2014
KeepCalmNcarryON wrote:
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You're describing sacred geometry
the basic shapes, their numerical "values"
..........
Fractals are a geometric pattern that is repeated at every scale and so cannot be represented by classical geometry.
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119764 Aug 7, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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RPG?
Funny, but NOT!

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#119765 Aug 7, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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Like *this* guy?
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/christi...
(Michael Peroutka has apparently won the Republican primary for a county council seat in Maryland’s Anne Arundel County)
Peroutka runs the Institute on the Constitution, which promotes Christian Reconstructionist ideology, and, as reported by journalist Sarah Posner, has trained local Tea Party groups with its 12-part course on the biblical basis of the Constitution. Peroutka embraces Christian Reconstructionists’ radically limited view of the role of government.
He (Peroutka) has written: "Since civil government is ordained by God in order to protect God-given rights, then the function of civil government is to obey God and to enforce God’s law – PERIOD. It is not the role of civil government to house, feed, clothe, educate or give heath care to…ANYBODY!"
Peroutka said much the same thing at Larry Klaymen’s failed revolutionary rally in Washington, D.C. earlier this year which was supposed to oust President Obama from office.
“There is a God. Our rights come from him. The purpose of civil government is to protect and defend God-given rights. This is the American view of law and government. It also happens to be the biblical view of law and government. America was founded upon the biblical view of law and government….”
Taliban, tally ho.

What a country we live in. You can be the dumbest, moron to exist and still make a living and run for office.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#119766 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a freedom loving American. I believe in freedom of thought as well.
Freedom of thought doesn't mean correctness of thought and it also means that you have to allow others to be free to think their way. You can't force your baseless opinion on others.

I have never met a freedom hating American, though I suppose fundamentalists come the closest.

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