Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223358 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#118493 Jul 18, 2014
wondering wrote:
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god has a conscious? how does that work when he lets so many suffer starving and so many suffer from disease and then let so many die die young from both all the time. he consciously does all that on purpose?
There is no need for God to be the cause of all that.

The moment mankind begins to act contrary to the principles upon which reality is structured; his life becomes a living hell.

Furthermore, the morality of God has nothing to do with the existence of God, which is actually what we are discussing here: God as creator (or not).

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#118494 Jul 18, 2014
bohart wrote:
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Since when do you believe in Christ?
That person to whom you were responding seems a bit confused as to what exactly he/she believes.

If I remember correctly, that person commented that they DID believe in God; though the evidence for God thus far is inconclusive (his/her suggestion).

So I am still here wondering what exactly is that person's stance; and why.

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#118495 Jul 18, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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obviously
In some dialects it's pronounced "tetched."
I'm glad to see you too Chromium...

What baseless conclusion regarding the Bible and/or God shall you jump to today?

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#118496 Jul 18, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>whyouldn't anyone not believe in jesus, he was areal jew preaching to other jews to uphold the laws of moses even more, and that the kingdom of god was the twelve tribes of israel once again ruling over judea, once again ethnically cleansed of all but the jews.
why would anyone have trouble believing that? so many other messiahs at the time were recorded preaching the same thing...
history is fun!
Cut the crap.

There is a difference between believing THAT and believing IN.

Just because you believe THAT Jesus is real doesnt mean you believe IN the potentials of Jesu/s.

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#118497 Jul 18, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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...They think they ARE God, though they pretend otherwise.
Explain how you came to that conclusion.

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#118498 Jul 18, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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That's like saying you're a kind of atom...
How is it like that?

Explain.

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#118499 Jul 18, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
...The reason why this doesn't happen is because of natural selection....
So what caused natural selection?

What did natural selection evolve from?
wondering

Morris, OK

#118500 Jul 18, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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And yet you started the whole thing.
Don't try to play innocent when you were the initial instigator.
lying ljackass wagon. i said i had to go see about a problem at one of the theaters and you came back with the "porn" comments then the "splooge comments..

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#118501 Jul 18, 2014
messianic114 wrote:
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... I have asked for why I should believe science but when we get to the part where I want to discuss, there is very little offered by those in here that can even give me confidence they know what they are talking about as they really don't understand the science themselves...
I agree with that remark.

I mentioned in a previous post that there are questions that will inevitably lead to metaphysics, as soon as the question is asked: "why does science work?"

They cant justify their confidence in science nor the claim that scientific method is efficient.

They go as far as denying the value of philosophy when philosophy is at the heart of science.

Take REALISM for example.

Science relies on the philosophy described in realism to justify the claims of empirical-ness of evidence.

But get them to come to terms with it if you can.

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#118502 Jul 18, 2014
wondering wrote:
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lying ljackass wagon. i said i had to go see about a problem at one of the theaters and you came back with the "porn" comments then the "splooge comments..
You total idiot. You started this whole nonsense long before the splooge comments. You left yourself open and I gave you a shot.

You can dish it out but you cannot take it.

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#118503 Jul 18, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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What a question.
Yet it seems that no amount of studying will ever bring you to know the obvious.
LOL
Nice try, but what I claimed was obviously true and has been observed by many. Do you have to tell someone that dropping a 50 pound lead weigh on a bare foot is a bad idea?

Some ideas are obvious, that is to all but those that believe in a book of magic.

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#118504 Jul 18, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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Since it's dishonest for creationists to ask for evidence at all, why do you desire to make your position look even MORE stupid than it already is?
Do you have evidence they aren't fabricated?
Is evidence capable of proving anything with absolute certainty?

Even when all the evidence suggests that a criminal is guilty of charges laid against him; is it not possible to argue that the evidence is actually suggesting something else?

Does evidence directly connecting a subject to any event or process make it impossible assume that the evidence points to something contrary?

NO AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE CAN CONVINCE ANYONE WHO CHOOSES NOT TO BELIEVE.

So stop pretending as if the failure to present evidence is the main reason for you so called skepticism (if it can be called that).

“Up with which, I will not put”

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#118505 Jul 18, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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...Furthermore, we know that "Muppet" monsters and "Big Birds" are not real; yet they are used to teach the young about reality.
So all you have just said translates to: "I dont know what it means so it must not mean anything".
So admittedly, by means of comparison you are stating that the Bible is nothing more than a book of stories and metaphors created for amusement and educational purposes? Good, looks like you do understand.

“Merry Christmas”

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#118506 Jul 18, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Why does it matter what name I use here?
And by the way; has evolution demonstrated that there is no God?
I cant see the meaning of that question you asked.
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I dont accept nor reject anything; I use whatever works as long as it works.
I dont waste my mental capacity hugging on to any particular concept, because at the end of the day, they are nothing but mere rationalizations.
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I'm touched.
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Most Christians that YOU know, to be accurate.
Leave it to your kind to make hasty generalizations.
Furthermore, we know that "Muppet" monsters and "Big Birds" are not real; yet they are used to teach the young about reality.
So all you have just said translates to: "I dont know what it means so it must not mean anything".
Thal'll do pig.

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#118507 Jul 18, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Why does it matter what name I use here?
And by the way; has evolution demonstrated that there is no God?
I cant see the meaning of that question you asked.
Please, that is the sort of name that only a creatard would use. And no, evolution does not demonstrate that there is no God. It only shows that the God of Genesis is not real. Too many Christians interpret that as saying there is no God.
I dont accept nor reject anything; I use whatever works as long as it works.
I dont waste my mental capacity hugging on to any particular concept, because at the end of the day, they are nothing but mere rationalizations.
Perhaps for the uneducated. Not for those that understand the subject at hand.
I'm touched.
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Most Christians that YOU know, to be accurate.
Leave it to your kind to make hasty generalizations.
Furthermore, we know that "Muppet" monsters and "Big Birds" are not real; yet they are used to teach the young about reality.
So all you have just said translates to: "I dont know what it means so it must not mean anything".
No, most Christians world wide accept the theory of evolution. They know that Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark are simply myths. Yes, the book of Genesis can still be used to teach morals. In fact that is really what it is, it is simply a morality story. Of course it has some terribly flawed morals in it, but then what do you expect out of a bronze to iron age culture?
wondering

Morris, OK

#118508 Jul 18, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You total idiot. You started this whole nonsense long before the splooge comments. You left yourself open and I gave you a shot.
You can dish it out but you cannot take it.
does it make you feel good to lie? does it give you some kind of superiority complex and as predicted right on time. it took 7 minutes for you to respond. you keep that refresh button hammered don't you. lmao

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#118509 Jul 18, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Nice try, but what I claimed was obviously true and has been observed by many. Do you have to tell someone that dropping a 50 pound lead weigh on a bare foot is a bad idea?
Some ideas are obvious, that is to all but those that believe in a book of magic.
Oh?

So how come the idea that God exists is obvious to me and not to you?

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#118510 Jul 18, 2014
wondering wrote:
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does it make you feel good to lie? does it give you some kind of superiority complex and as predicted right on time. it took 7 minutes for you to respond. you keep that refresh button hammered don't you. lmao
You moron, I did not lie.

You started this whole thing long ago. The last bit was just an extension of it. And you moron I have not been to this site for hours. I had a couple of messages from HOG that were over an hour old. I do not have the fascination with you that you have for me. You are projecting again.
wondering

Morris, OK

#118511 Jul 18, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You total idiot. You started this whole nonsense long before the splooge comments. You left yourself open and I gave you a shot.
You can dish it out but you cannot take it.
lying ljackass wagon. i said i had to go see about a problem at one of the theaters and you posted back with the "porn" comments then the "splooge comments..

when i returned an hour or so later you and dan had the porn comments a rolling. when i answered to dans post of why i went down myself instead of calling some one you started in with the splooge comments.
here ya go;
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TC7...

you should post only when you are sober and you would remember the crap you say. but as it stands you are just a lying jackass wagon.

again does it make you feel good to lie? does it give you some kind of superiority complex?

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#118512 Jul 18, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Oh?
So how come the idea that God exists is obvious to me and not to you?
I don't know. You have not listed any evidence for god or gods. There is no observed need for a god. Most people that believe in God are driven by a large part by their natural fear of death. I can't say why you have this particular delusion.

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