Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222051 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#117535 Jul 10, 2014
$10 for $20 worth of Ethiopian cuisine and drinks for lunch
$22 for $40 worth of Ethiopian cuisine and drinks for dinner for two
$44 for $80 worth of Ethiopian cuisine and drinks for dinner for four

Adulus special tibs, a specialty of the house that features tender beef cooked with onion, jalapeņo, and garlic ($16.95), cohabits the menu with the fish tibs' whole fried rainbow trout ($17.95) and a veggie combo plate ($15.95).

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#117536 Jul 10, 2014
The plate looked delectable now that is what I call a feast and not some slob that you spoon out from a bucket..

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#117537 Jul 10, 2014
Oh and why not start milking a Stier too...I mean that's like getting two flies with one shot or milk a cow and then put it on the grill...

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#117539 Jul 10, 2014
Tinka wrote:
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A kindred Spirit to date in America prolly homeless un adjusted and prolly never going to be all that intergarted as some would hope it or think it ought to ...
Filth to a member dear GAY boy or lesbian girl or homeless poor person...
Don't worry it's not right who you are but we do care and but not really well Jesus he still loves you though...
He would prolly hammer that people's head to pieces if he could talking like that to someone as a Christian too...
SHAME??????????
Anyway subjects ...
What a freak of a JOKE??
Lust and LUST also two different things...
Perhaps I should let one of my sons explain it to you., they are pretty good at administering my will.
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Morris, OK

#117540 Jul 10, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, evolution says no such thing. In fact the theory of evolution also says that no feline will produce a canine. Perhaps you should learn more about the theory that you are disputing. And you still do not have a working definition of "kind".
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Again, you first need to learn the basics. You have shown yourself to be ignorant more than once and I will not show you evidence until you learn what evidence is. Also since you do not understand scientific testing you must learn what that is. Neither lesson will take very long and they are interrelated.
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But evolution has been observed. Time is not a barrier for observation. And yes, partially retractable claws would be the route to developing fully retractable claws. I might even look into it. This evolution might be difficult to show since it would occur mainly in soft tissues that are not preserved. And no, evolutionary changes occur slowly on existing structures. Of course as part of evolution new structures are developed and evolve. You need to remember that one of the tools of genetic evolution is gene replication. Gene replication can allow for a structure to be built twice in the body. For example the number of vertebrae can be varied by simple mutations. That has even been observed in the laboratory. Once a structure is replicated the replicated structure can evolve while the original still carries out its purpose.
There are biologists that know far more about evolution than I do. But I can point out that at best you have only offered an argument from ignorance so far.
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As soon as you learn what a valid test is. You have already proved that you do not have such knowledge.
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Not until you come up with a working definition of "kind". I have a working definition of "kind" but it supports the theory of evolution. With my definition there are no changes in "kind" in evolution.
you are a f**king retard. you always ask for evidence of god from creationists but never provide the evidence of evolution they ask for because you say they are not worthy. that is all just a cop out because you cannot provide the evidence they ask for.

science has no test for god! science does not test for god! science has no clue how or what to test for god! what does that mean? that means there is no evidence for god because science is clueless in how or what to do when it comes to testing for god. your argument of show evidence for god is nothing but a weak, useless, pus*y cheap coward cop out. cry for you know as well as i know there is no test for god that science has at their disposal. now science does have tests and evidence for evolution so when you are asked by someone you should gladly and proudly dish that out to them unless you are not sure of that evidence then you hide behind "you have not earned that yet" which again is a pus*y cheap coward cop out.

here is the deal jack wagon. when asked to produce what evidence you have for evolution. you should gladly and proudly produce it. you want evidence of god talk then to science and come up with a test that would either show or disprove god. until then STFU and just deal with things. answer when/as asked and stop the nonsense, bs, babyass whining! you lying, idiot, coward jack wagon.
wondering

Morris, OK

#117541 Jul 10, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, they are both facts. It may take a little more education to see that evolution is as well supported as gravity is. And I never ever said we understand both of them completely. It seems that you are projecting your inabilities to do science again. There is nothing wrong with saying that both are facts and in many ways evolution is better understood than gravity.
So another amazing loss by the Wabbit.
Do you have anything else?
gravity is fact for any idiot(you) can go and throw a rock in the air and watch it fall back down at hit you in the head( i think you have done that too many times). evolution has never been observed from a"species going to another species". all that has been observed is similarities in the fossil record and slight changes in e-coli for example.. you can whine and moan all you want but man has never seen a "live species" become a "different species"! if you say yes we have you are only lying for science which again puts you at the lying cretard level.
wondering

Morris, OK

#117542 Jul 10, 2014
i challenge any person here, evolutionists or creationists to provide JUST ONE example and evidence of a live species completely changing into a new species! just a simple little one is all that you need to provide that "we" have "observed" changing from one species to a another completely different species. changing similarities does not count. ability to use a new protein does not count. ability to use a new amino acid does not count. it has to be completely changing from one species to another new species. any takers??? put up or STFU jack wagons! creationist do lie but not near as much as the evolutionist idiots on here. you want evidence of their god, then get with science and come up with tests that can tests for god and look for god. last time i checked those test did not exist in science because science is not looking for god. so one has to think how can they show scientific evidence for god when science does not know how and currently does not test for god..
wondering

Morris, OK

#117544 Jul 10, 2014
this whole thread minus polymath(even though the tard disrespected me) and maybe chimney for he seems righteous as well the rest are nothing but a bunch of whinyass idiots trying to talk about things they don't know or understand. both lie for their cause and all crap aside science has no test for god, does not know how to test for god, has no clue what to test for god but has many many test for evolution so when asked for evidence of evolution you should proudly put forth that evidence for evolution and show it instead of being a whinyass idiot jack wagon. if you really want to disprove god of the bible, don't whine because there is no test that has evidence. come up with a test and show the evidence and show them wrong.

the whole freaking argument is about evidence. if you have it show it.
if it is asked for it, then it should be shown if it exists.
if it doesn't exist then just admit it.
if it has never been tested for or not known how to test for it,,,don't complain instead come up with a scientific test that can be used to test it. asking a plain person to show scientific evidence for god is just plain obtuse! anyone here knows there is no scientific test or evidence for god because IN SCIENCE those test DO NOT exists because science is not trying to prove or disprove god!!, not one test exists for god, so when you are asking for scientific evidence for god you automatically know there is not any way science does tests for god. which makes that question one of the dumbest, meaningless, cop-out, worthless, idiot jack wagon questions you science geeks could ask!

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#117545 Jul 10, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
Thanks for the link mac.

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#117546 Jul 10, 2014
wondering wrote:
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you are a f**king retard. you always ask for evidence of god from creationists but never provide the evidence of evolution they ask for because you say they are not worthy. that is all just a cop out because you cannot provide the evidence they ask for.
I know what qualifies as evidence. You idiots continually show that you do not understand what counts as scientific evidence. I would be wasting time to show you any evidence. Now if you have a special definition for evidence that I am unaware of,and that is widely accepted I am willing to learn what you think qualifies as evidence.

So are you ready to learn yet or are you satisfied with your idiot status?
science has no test for god! science does not test for god! science has no clue how or what to test for god! what does that mean? that means there is no evidence for god because science is clueless in how or what to do when it comes to testing for god. your argument of show evidence for god is nothing but a weak, useless, pus*y cheap coward cop out. cry for you know as well as i know there is no test for god that science has at their disposal. now science does have tests and evidence for evolution so when you are asked by someone you should gladly and proudly dish that out to them unless you are not sure of that evidence then you hide behind "you have not earned that yet" which again is a pus*y cheap coward cop out.
here is the deal jack wagon. when asked to produce what evidence you have for evolution. you should gladly and proudly produce it. you want evidence of god talk then to science and come up with a test that would either show or disprove god. until then STFU and just deal with things. answer when/as asked and stop the nonsense, bs, babyass whining! you lying, idiot, coward jack wagon.
I see that you are still stuck on stupid. If your god supposedly did some of the things that you idiots try to claim that he did there would be evidence of those events. If God made Adam and Even 6,000 years ago there would be evidence of that event. If God flooded the Earth 4,500 years ago there would have been evidence of that event. Since there is no evidence of those events the logical conclusion is that they did not happen.

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#117547 Jul 10, 2014
wondering wrote:
i challenge any person here, evolutionists or creationists to provide JUST ONE example and evidence of a live species completely changing into a new species! just a simple little one is all that you need to provide that "we" have "observed" changing from one species to a another completely different species. changing similarities does not count. ability to use a new protein does not count. ability to use a new amino acid does not count. it has to be completely changing from one species to another new species. any takers??? put up or STFU jack wagons! creationist do lie but not near as much as the evolutionist idiots on here. you want evidence of their god, then get with science and come up with tests that can tests for god and look for god. last time i checked those test did not exist in science because science is not looking for god. so one has to think how can they show scientific evidence for god when science does not know how and currently does not test for god..
What is your definition of species? All those things you are excluding are evidence of evolution.

I don't know of any evidence that shows a real time emergence of a new species from an existing one. Not being able to show that does not invalidate evolution. We have evidence of speciation, but what you are demanding would, I think throw a wrench into the theory of evolution rather than support it.

You seem to think observation is limited only to that which is occurring now and to every member of the population in which it is occurring. It is not. I can sample a field for the presence of resistant Helicoverpa zea. It does not mean I examine every single H. zea in the field. It would be impossible. I use proven techniques and get an estimate of the resistant population from numerous observations or samples of the H. zea in the field. You can demand that someone collect every insect, but I doubt it will change the percentage determined from the numerous observations in my initial samples.

You can use these techniques to determine the frequency of the resistance gene in the population as well. You don't need to collect 150,000 H. zea per acre to do it.

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#117548 Jul 10, 2014
wondering wrote:
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gravity is fact for any idiot(you) can go and throw a rock in the air and watch it fall back down at hit you in the head( i think you have done that too many times). evolution has never been observed from a"species going to another species". all that has been observed is similarities in the fossil record and slight changes in e-coli for example.. you can whine and moan all you want but man has never seen a "live species" become a "different species"! if you say yes we have you are only lying for science which again puts you at the lying cretard level.
evolution is a fact for any idiot(you) can go and dig some rocks up and see that the fossils are not the same as today.

You oversimplified gravity, you worthless idiot, so I oversimplified evolution. Your stupid test tells us nothing about the rate of acceleration, whether larger objects fall faster or slower than smaller objects.your test only tells us that things fall down. My test only tells us that things change. Neither really prove anything about gravity or evolution.

As usual you show that you are totally ignorant about ALL aspects of science.

What a tard.

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#117549 Jul 10, 2014
It is amazing that with all of wondering's complaining about not being given any evidence that he has not taken the positive step of actually learning what evidence is.

Does it seem like he is afraid to learn to anybody else?

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#117550 Jul 10, 2014
wondering wrote:
i challenge any person here, evolutionists or creationists to provide JUST ONE example and evidence of a live species completely changing into a new species! just a simple little one is all that you need to provide that "we" have "observed" changing from one species to a another completely different species. changing similarities does not count. ability to use a new protein does not count. ability to use a new amino acid does not count. it has to be completely changing from one species to another new species. any takers??? put up or STFU jack wagons! creationist do lie but not near as much as the evolutionist idiots on here. you want evidence of their god, then get with science and come up with tests that can tests for god and look for god. last time i checked those test did not exist in science because science is not looking for god. so one has to think how can they show scientific evidence for god when science does not know how and currently does not test for god..
Cryptic species. Closely related species that are morphologically indistinguishable. They are completely different species that look the same. How do you propose determining if speciation is going on right in front of our eyes with a couple of these. Examples I am aware of are in the leaf hoppers (Heteroptera:Cicadelidae) and (Diptera: Tephritidae). Both these contain a fair number of cryptic species groups.

Then of course the question of what definition of species you use. Morphological, ecological, biological and molecular definitions exist. The traditional definition I learned from high school through college is the biological definition that defines a species as a population that is reproductively isolated from other populations and any interbreeding only results in sterile offspring.

Others may be able to provide examples that I am not aware of, but the fastest speciation I am aware of is on the order of 15,000 years (African cichlids) to 50,000 years (grasshoppers). The cichlids for instance are endemic to Lake Victoria (there are species in all of the great African lakes) in Africa. These species are not found anywhere else. Core samples show that 15,000 years ago, the lake did not exist and was a grassland with a stream in it. Over time the lake was formed and the seed population of one or a few cichlid species rapidly evolved into approximately 500 species found no where else (I may have said that).

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#117551 Jul 10, 2014
wondering wrote:
i challenge any person here, evolutionists or creationists to provide JUST ONE example and evidence of a live species completely changing into a new species! just a simple little one is all that you need to provide that "we" have "observed" changing from one species to a another completely different species. changing similarities does not count. ability to use a new protein does not count. ability to use a new amino acid does not count. it has to be completely changing from one species to another new species. any takers??? put up or STFU jack wagons! creationist do lie but not near as much as the evolutionist idiots on here. you want evidence of their god, then get with science and come up with tests that can tests for god and look for god. last time i checked those test did not exist in science because science is not looking for god. so one has to think how can they show scientific evidence for god when science does not know how and currently does not test for god..
You seem tense. Have you considered cutting back on caffeine?

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#117552 Jul 10, 2014
wondering wrote:
this whole thread minus polymath(even though the tard disrespected me) and maybe chimney for he seems righteous as well the rest are nothing but a bunch of whinyass idiots trying to talk about things they don't know or understand. both lie for their cause and all crap aside science has no test for god, does not know how to test for god, has no clue what to test for god but has many many test for evolution so when asked for evidence of evolution you should proudly put forth that evidence for evolution and show it instead of being a whinyass idiot jack wagon. if you really want to disprove god of the bible, don't whine because there is no test that has evidence. come up with a test and show the evidence and show them wrong.
the whole freaking argument is about evidence. if you have it show it.
if it is asked for it, then it should be shown if it exists.
if it doesn't exist then just admit it.
if it has never been tested for or not known how to test for it,,,don't complain instead come up with a scientific test that can be used to test it. asking a plain person to show scientific evidence for god is just plain obtuse! anyone here knows there is no scientific test or evidence for god because IN SCIENCE those test DO NOT exists because science is not trying to prove or disprove god!!, not one test exists for god, so when you are asking for scientific evidence for god you automatically know there is not any way science does tests for god. which makes that question one of the dumbest, meaningless, cop-out, worthless, idiot jack wagon questions you science geeks could ask!
I take it that you don't consider this post to qualify as that of a whiny-assed idiot. You will have to explain to me what sets it apart from that classification. I am not seeing it.

Really? I can't imagine Polymath disrespecting you. That is odd.

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#117553 Jul 10, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
It is amazing that with all of wondering's complaining about not being given any evidence that he has not taken the positive step of actually learning what evidence is.
Does it seem like he is afraid to learn to anybody else?
From the reading, I get the impression that he doesn't understand evidence, observation, species, speciation or evolution among other concepts. But what do I know.
wondering

Morris, OK

#117554 Jul 10, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I know what qualifies as evidence. You idiots continually show that you do not understand what counts as scientific evidence. I would be wasting time to show you any evidence. Now if you have a special definition for evidence that I am unaware of,and that is widely accepted I am willing to learn what you think qualifies as evidence.
So are you ready to learn yet or are you satisfied with your idiot status?
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I see that you are still stuck on stupid. If your god supposedly did some of the things that you idiots try to claim that he did there would be evidence of those events. If God made Adam and Even 6,000 years ago there would be evidence of that event. If God flooded the Earth 4,500 years ago there would have been evidence of that event. Since there is no evidence of those events the logical conclusion is that they did not happen.
1. does science currently have tests for god?
2. does science currently tests for god?
3. does science even know what to test for god?
4. does science even know where to test for god?
5. does science even know what a god may be?
6. does science have evidence for god?

if you answer "no" to any of the above questions then you are a coward idiot jack wagon to ask for such scientific evidence for god because you know science does none of the above and only scientific evidence is what mattes. it is that simple idiot jack wagon!

on the other hand
1. does science currently have test for evolution?
2. does science currently test for evolution?
3. does science even know what to test for test for evolution?
4. does science even know where to test for evolution?
5. does science even know what evolution is?
6. does science have evidence for evolution?

if you answer yes to any of the above then produce it when asked or STFU! don't use cop outs to avoid it.
wondering

Morris, OK

#117555 Jul 10, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>What is your definition of species? All those things you are excluding are evidence of evolution.
I don't know of any evidence that shows a real time emergence of a new species from an existing one. Not being able to show that does not invalidate evolution. We have evidence of speciation, but what you are demanding would, I think throw a wrench into the theory of evolution rather than support it.
You seem to think observation is limited only to that which is occurring now and to every member of the population in which it is occurring. It is not. I can sample a field for the presence of resistant Helicoverpa zea. It does not mean I examine every single H. zea in the field. It would be impossible. I use proven techniques and get an estimate of the resistant population from numerous observations or samples of the H. zea in the field. You can demand that someone collect every insect, but I doubt it will change the percentage determined from the numerous observations in my initial samples.
You can use these techniques to determine the frequency of the resistance gene in the population as well. You don't need to collect 150,000 H. zea per acre to do it.
don't play stupid word games. the scientific definition for a species being a different species is what is at hand and you know it. don't be a duck dodger and try to side step with simplistic word games. the post stays as it is written.
wondering

Morris, OK

#117556 Jul 10, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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evolution is a fact for any idiot(you) can go and dig some rocks up and see that the fossils are not the same as today.
You oversimplified gravity, you worthless idiot, so I oversimplified evolution. Your stupid test tells us nothing about the rate of acceleration, whether larger objects fall faster or slower than smaller objects.your test only tells us that things fall down. My test only tells us that things change. Neither really prove anything about gravity or evolution.
As usual you show that you are totally ignorant about ALL aspects of science.
What a tard.
idiot jack wagon. large objects and small object will only fall at the same speed in a complete vacuum.

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