Evolution vs. Creation

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wondering

Sunset, TX

#117026 Jul 6, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
No he DOESN'T SAY that evolution is using the word.
You are a liar and deceiver.
you lying jack wagon.

who="Subduction Zone" quoted text>
Yes, we can traces all life to a very simple early life. And yes, nothing "just sprang up". We are apes, We share a common ancestor with other apes. We are simians, we share a common ancestor with monkeys, we are mammals. We share a common ancestor with cows, whales, bats and cats. We are tetrapods. We share a common ancestor with lizards and amphibians. We are vertebrates we share a common ancestor with fish. I could take this all the way back to single cellular life. It is always kind reproducing kind.
Evolution says that kind gives rise to the the same kind. They have a working definition of kind. Creationists don't"
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117027 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
`you must have missed this one:
how many different clade are there? do human clades differ from the snake clades? are monkeys a different clades than apes and humans?
You didn't check out the link I gave?

Oh, wait, you can't understand anything above the 5th grade level.

There are an almost unlimited number of clades. A clade can be very very small. A clade could be as small as two individuals, For example an amoeba once it splits forms a clade.

Of course human clades are different from snake clades. One has humans in it the other has snakes in it. Even you are not that stupid.

Now you actually asked one half decent question. If you include all monkeys in one clade then humans and other apes are in that clade too. The split between Old World and New World monkeys predates the split of apes from Old World monkeys. Therefore we are monkeys by cladistics.

What is funny is that creationists will readily admit that humans are mammals, but deny that we are apes. The clade of mammals is much more inclusive than that of just apes or humans. The ancestor that we share with monkeys would be called a monkey today so we are descended from monkeys.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117028 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
you lying jack wagon.
who="Subduction Zone" quoted text>
Yes, we can traces all life to a very simple early life. And yes, nothing "just sprang up". We are apes, We share a common ancestor with other apes. We are simians, we share a common ancestor with monkeys, we are mammals. We share a common ancestor with cows, whales, bats and cats. We are tetrapods. We share a common ancestor with lizards and amphibians. We are vertebrates we share a common ancestor with fish. I could take this all the way back to single cellular life. It is always kind reproducing kind.
Evolution says that kind gives rise to the the same kind. They have a working definition of kind. Creationists don't"
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
LOL, you just proved that you are a liar and a deceiver.

Way to go moron.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117029 Jul 6, 2014
It seems that wondering does not understand the concept of "colloquial speech".

But then he is a creatard after all and has to have a literal interpretation of the Bible, except for the parts that he does not believe in, to support his weak Christian belief.
wondering

Sunset, TX

#117030 Jul 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't check out the link I gave?
Oh, wait, you can't understand anything above the 5th grade level.
There are an almost unlimited number of clades. A clade can be very very small. A clade could be as small as two individuals, For example an amoeba once it splits forms a clade.
Of course human clades are different from snake clades. One has humans in it the other has snakes in it. Even you are not that stupid.
Now you actually asked one half decent question. If you include all monkeys in one clade then humans and other apes are in that clade too. The split between Old World and New World monkeys predates the split of apes from Old World monkeys. Therefore we are monkeys by cladistics.
What is funny is that creationists will readily admit that humans are mammals, but deny that we are apes. The clade of mammals is much more inclusive than that of just apes or humans. The ancestor that we share with monkeys would be called a monkey today so we are descended from monkeys.
lying jack wagon

a clade or monophylum is a group consisting of an ancestor and all its descendants, a single "branch" on the "tree of life". the ancestor may be an individual, a population or even a species (extinct or extant). many familiar groups, rodents and insects for example, are clades; others, like lizards and monkeys, are not (lizards excludes snakes,-----"-(monkeys excludes apes and humans)-"---------
wondering

Sunset, TX

#117031 Jul 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, you just proved that you are a liar and a deceiver.
Way to go moron.
lying jack wagon

you said and i quote " I could take this all the way back to single cellular life. It is always kind reproducing kind.
Evolution says that kind gives rise to the the same kind. They have a working definition of kind. Creationists don't"
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117032 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
lying jack wagon
I think I am beginning to understand wondering's misuse of the English language. "lying jack wagon" means that someone either posted something that debunks wondering's idiocy or that he simply could not understand.
a clade or monophylum is a group consisting of an ancestor and all its descendants, a single "branch" on the "tree of life". the ancestor may be an individual, a population or even a species (extinct or extant). many familiar groups, rodents and insects for example, are clades; others, like lizards and monkeys, are not (lizards excludes snakes,-----"-(monkeys excludes apes and humans)-"---------
Very good, you finally went to my link. Now what don't you understand about it? I will gladly help you to understand. You did not even mention lizards and now you try to bring them up. And no, monkeys does not automatically exclude apes. Lastly why did you say "apes and humans"? That is a bit redundant. Humans are apes.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117033 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
lying jack wagon
you said and i quote " I could take this all the way back to single cellular life. It is always kind reproducing kind.
Evolution says that kind gives rise to the the same kind. They have a working definition of kind. Creationists don't"
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
And how is that supposed to support your claim, moron?

Again, it is obvious that if I am using the word "kind" that the usage is colloquial since the term is not used by scientists. I was trying to dumb down the argument to your level. It is obvious that I did not aim low enough.
wondering

Sunset, TX

#117034 Jul 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
And how is that supposed to support your claim, moron?
Again, it is obvious that if I am using the word "kind" that the usage is colloquial since the term is not used by scientists. I was trying to dumb down the argument to your level. It is obvious that I did not aim low enough.
lying jack wagon

"dumb down the argument to my level" you were not even talking to me when you posted it. again you produce another lie

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117035 Jul 6, 2014
I am still waiting for something besides a weak Wiki link that says apes are not monkeys. By cladistics we are monkeys:

http://paolov.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/apes-a...
wondering

Sunset, TX

#117036 Jul 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
I think I am beginning to understand wondering's misuse of the English language. "lying jack wagon" means that someone either posted something that debunks wondering's idiocy or that he simply could not understand.
<quoted text>
Very good, you finally went to my link. Now what don't you understand about it? I will gladly help you to understand. You did not even mention lizards and now you try to bring them up. And no, monkeys does not automatically exclude apes. Lastly why did you say "apes and humans"? That is a bit redundant. Humans are apes.
i have understood it well for many years. you on the other hand throw out words that you think make you smart but have no clue what they mean.

"Lastly why did you say "apes and humans"? That is a bit redundant. Humans are apes"

what an idiot. try reading your own link you dumb jack wagon.that just claifies that you throw out words but do not what they mean.

A clade (from Ancient Greek &#954;&#955;&#940; &#948;&#959;&#962; , klados, "branch") or monophylum (see monophyletic) is a group consisting of an ancestor and all its descendants, a single "branch" on the "tree of life".[1] The ancestor may be an individual, a population or even a species (extinct or extant). Many familiar groups, rodents and insects for example, are clades; others, like lizards and monkeys, are not (lizards excludes snakes, monkeys excludes apes and humans).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clade
Hemet123

Hemet, CA

#117037 Jul 6, 2014
This guy Wondering is a one-man PSY -OPS war against the exchange of intrelligent ideas and useful information.
When ever most of you exchange, you are polite and very clear. I sometimes don't understand the subject matter. Or a certain statement- padron moi there too, but I know basically who's kind (Merciful, gentle, polite),
and who's not (Rude, Bellicose, Threatening).

Now this Psy Ops rattle-clap from "wondering" can be seen in the spaces betweeen the words. The 'repediitive' pattern is an
anti intelligence
Speech pattern tool. If you keep playing into his game you're not exchanging real ideas and information.
It's like you're trying to read a Scientific American article or even the bible, And ...

RAP RHYTHM RAT-A - TAT-T-ATA-** BOOMBA BANGA
RAP RHYTHM RAT-A - TAT-T-ATA-** BOOMBA BANGA
RAP RHYTHM RAT-A - TAT-T-ATA-** BOOMBA BANGA

Look at the difference in the spacing between my words
And the rap words

I wont copy n paste the spewings of this 'wonderment'
I think you can get the idea from this posting
And one of "wonders NEVER ends"
1:24 PM pst

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117038 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
lying jack wagon
"dumb down the argument to my level" you were not even talking to me when you posted it. again you produce another lie
There is really no difference between the two of you. The main part of this argument has been with you and I clearly did not dumb down the argument enough for you.
wondering

Sunset, TX

#117039 Jul 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
I am still waiting for something besides a weak Wiki link that says apes are not monkeys. By cladistics we are monkeys:
http://paolov.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/apes-a...
a weak wiki link? what an idiot!!! that was your very link that you posted. what a fing retard!!!

you calling that weak link, and being you posted that said link, wins you the "jack wagon idiot of the year award".
wondering

Sunset, TX

#117040 Jul 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
There is really no difference between the two of you. The main part of this argument has been with you and I clearly did not dumb down the argument enough for you.
in other words I caught you lying again and you are just an jack wagon idiot.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117041 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
i have understood it well for many years. you on the other hand throw out words that you think make you smart but have no clue what they mean.
"Lastly why did you say "apes and humans"? That is a bit redundant. Humans are apes"
what an idiot. try reading your own link you dumb jack wagon.that just claifies that you throw out words but do not what they mean.
A clade (from Ancient Greek &#954;&#955;&#940; &#948;&#959;&#962; , klados, "branch") or monophylum (see monophyletic) is a group consisting of an ancestor and all its descendants, a single "branch" on the "tree of life".[1] The ancestor may be an individual, a population or even a species (extinct or extant). Many familiar groups, rodents and insects for example, are clades; others, like lizards and monkeys, are not (lizards excludes snakes, monkeys excludes apes and humans).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clade
Yes, Wiki is wrong there. Since monkeys includes both New World and Old World monkeys then apes are part of that clade. Just because people mistakenly exclude apes which include people from monkeys does not make them correct. Check out the link in my last post. If both O.W. monkeys and N.W. monkeys are monkeys then apes are monkeys too. You can't have it both ways.
wondering

Sunset, TX

#117042 Jul 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No problem, but you have to do the same. I would make the definition of "kind" synonymous to that of "clade":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clade
here ya go lying jack wagon. your "weak" link that "you" posted

and it is not up to you to make clade and kind synonyms now is it. what was your little phrase,,, oh yeah - "it is up to science not you"

what a idiot jack wagon.you have proven to be

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117043 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
a weak wiki link? what an idiot!!! that was your very link that you posted. what a fing retard!!!
you calling that weak link, and being you posted that said link, wins you the "jack wagon idiot of the year award".
Again, I was dumbing it down to your level. That is why I asked you what part you did not understand. It was an oversimplified article as shown by that obvious mistake.

Now I don't know enough about reptile evolution to say whether snakes are or are not part of the lizard clade. Humans are part of the monkey clade if you include both O.W. and N.W. monkeys as monkeys. Old World monkeys are a different clade than apes since there is a split.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117044 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
in other words I caught you lying again and you are just an jack wagon idiot.
You have never caught me lying you moron.

And remember, you are the one who has proved time and again that you are an idiot. I made one very small mistake, Possibly it was not a mistake. You have been playing the fool ever since you entered into this discussion.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117045 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
here ya go lying jack wagon. your "weak" link that "you" posted
and it is not up to you to make clade and kind synonyms now is it. what was your little phrase,,, oh yeah - "it is up to science not you"
what a idiot jack wagon.you have proven to be
Again, you are an idiot. I used a simple link for you. When you brought up an error in that link, which is to be expected in a simplified article, I corrected it and provided a source that explains that correction.

You try to do an idiot a favor here and the moron tries to use that against you.

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