Evolution vs. Creation

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“Don't be mad at me.”

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Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#117213 Jul 7, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
By the definition of God that I know, God exists.
<quoted text>
NO!
Thats not beggin the question either.
To my knowledge, "God" means "Power"; "God" is defined to be "power"; not the powerful, but the power/potential itself is "God".
Now, I know that God exists, because God is power (the god I identify as "God"); and I know that power exists.
This is just your personal ontological argument. God may not be power. God may just use power. It all depends on what you mean by power. You have failed to show how this proves the existence of God and have failed to show how the existence of God can be shown with empirical evidence. You are just dancing round and round acting arrogantly pretending you know more than everyone else. You have nothing.

1+1 = 2. Sesame Street must be God.
Hitler had power. Say it with me HOG. Then Hitler must have been...

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117214 Jul 7, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong!
Can you see the drives that makes you think rationally or irrationally ?
No! You can only see your body and not the drive, that drive is the soul. Wake up!
It seems that God inserted an irrational soul into your body. <shrug> You win some, you lose some. Hey, look on the bright side - you could have been born female in Afghanistan and been betrothed to a lout that thinks just like you.

“Denny Crain”

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#117215 Jul 7, 2014
Good morning all. I hope everyone had a great 4th. Remember the men who guard your freedom!

“Don't be mad at me.”

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Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#117216 Jul 7, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Mention the number of male president or prime ministers with that of the female's universally , and see for yourself, the difference i7 always very clear. Wake up.
That just shows that many modern societies are male dominated and not that dominance by a male is ordained.

Male dominance is a myth perpetuated because we can. It is supported by antiquated opinions from ancient cultures. Organizations that have a single leader have built in mechanisms to remove that leader should they show poor performance. These organizations are becoming more intelligent in selecting there leaders based on skill and not gender, but we still have a long way to go. Adhering to these outdated and baseless traditions is self-destructive if one member that happens to have the greater ability is squashed because of gender and can't move into the lead even long enough to execute a brilliant idea.

To continue to consider leadership on gender and use the arbitrary practices of ancient cultures where women were little more than property is regressive, dictatorial and limiting.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#117217 Jul 7, 2014
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
We have "never observed" non-human to human evolution in EXACTLY the same way that no-one has ever observed you grow from a baby to a fully formed adult.
Unless you have the video tape that's recorded you non-stop for your entire life, and still is.
Didn't think so.
Indeed!
In the same fashion: we neither need to have a full step-by-step record of Old-English changing into modern English. Only a few documents, distributed evenly over the 1000 year since then, suffice.

The evidence for evolution often is more extensive than the record for language change.
Hemet123

Hemet, CA

#117219 Jul 7, 2014
words.../\

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#117220 Jul 7, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wake up!
The soul is not the same as the body. We are like God that is why we are created in his likeness and image.
What soul? Just like immortality, you have never provided any evidence for a soul

I donít really care about your delusions and wet dreams, I do care about evidence and facts

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#117221 Jul 7, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong!
Because we are in the world that is dominated by the men.
Religion have no hold on that.
It started from the family. Wake up.
Garbage

In most cases and most religions/faiths throughout history the woman has been the head of the family, the matriarch.

Only in abrahamic religions and even then only is 2 of the 3 are males dominant and then only publicly. Even today in the most misogynistic society of Islam, the family man will bow to the wishes of the woman.

The history of public male dominance can be traced through societies fairly accurately. Even in truly male dominated societies in history, Greece, Rome etc, it was the case that in the home, the woman was head, and consulted for advice on even the most profound political matters.

It started with religion and jealousy of the female.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#117222 Jul 7, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong!
Because we are in the world that is dominated by the men.
Religion have no hold on that.
It started from the family. Wake up.
Explain how it "comes from the family".
Are the families in Muslim nations different form those in the west then, because WE (NOT YOU) treat women as being equal to men, Muslims do not.
Is your family different form others?
Because you treat women unequally, many other families don't.

Now, HOW come that you say that women should be obedient and submissive and WE don't.
What's the difference.
Er, let's have a look.
We both have families but .......(fill in the gap).

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#117223 Jul 7, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wake up!
The soul is not the same as the body. We are like God that is why we are created in his likeness and image.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion have no hold on that.
It started from the family. Wake up.
Indeed, WAKE UP!
Lift your rusted arse and drag yourself into the next century.
Which in your case will be the 5th BC.
But STILL a century won.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#117224 Jul 7, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
Good morning all. I hope everyone had a great 4th. Remember the men who guard your freedom!
The Guardians Of The Galaxy?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#117225 Jul 7, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
i don't need photographs.journals or daily records. I have my parents dna and my own dna. that is all the evidence i need to show i was birthed from them. you just don't get it do you?
So your DNA shows common ancestry.

Just as our DNA shows common ancestry with that of chimps (to appoint approx 6-8 million years ago). That is all the evidence evolution needs. It just so happens to have more.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#117226 Jul 7, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is significantly influenced by culture (even science is), therefore an understanding of the culture from which it originated is key to understanding it.
How much exactly do you know about Jewish thought and culture??????????
Very interesting.
I always was told by creationists that the bible was the inerrant word of god.
Now it seems to be influenced by human culture.
In order to understand the eternal truth we FIRST have to investigate Jewish thought and culture?

How interesting.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#117227 Jul 7, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Chimpanzees are 96% to 98% similar to humans, depending on how it is calculated.(source)
http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD020730.ht...
Cats have 90% of homologous genes with humans, 82% with dogs, 80% with cows, 79% with chimpanzees, 69% with rats and 67% with mice.(source)
http://genome.cshlp.org/content/17/11/1675.fu...
Cows (Bos taurus) are 80% genetically similar to humans (source)
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5926/52...
75% of mouse genes have equivalents in humans (source), 90% of the mouse genome could be lined up with a region on the human genome (source) 99% of mouse genes turn out to have analogues in humans (source)
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v420/n69...
The fruit fly (Drosophila) shares about 60% of its DNA with humans (source).
http://www.genome.gov/10005835
About 60% of chicken genes correspond to a similar human gene (source)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/...
all dna show "similarities" in one form or another.
Good. So we agree then that 98% of our genome is **orthologous** with chimpanzees on a base for base basis. Glad we cleared that up.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#117228 Jul 7, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Damn son, wth do you need?
To hold hands with a hominid for a million years as it transforms into human?
That is the oft used creationist argument. We must effectively account for every second that passes in the entire universe. And if we can't? Goddidit. They on the other hand don't have to do a thing except sit on their azz.

Just look at Hog.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#117229 Jul 7, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
and you are who?,, oh yeah you are the one i complimented the other day about being smart and you replied back with an insult. i have given the same information you have. what's next, what school, what state, what town, where do you work, where do you live? i don't think so creepy geek.
He wasn't asking anything personal, he was looking for the specifics of the qualifications you claimed. For instance, electronic engineer or mechanical engineer. He could tell you his particular qualifications and how they are relevant to the stuff he posts.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#117230 Jul 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>This is being fruitful and multiplying after kinds just as the Bible claims. Evolution theory claims all life started very simple and became something more complex over time and the Bible says God said for all these living things to come forth some from the waters and some from the dry ground and it was so. The power of God caused life on Earth to come about and he has all power in heaven and earth to accomplish his will as soon as he commands for it to be so.
Evolution theory in its modern fashion started with Darwin OBSERVING the geological record, revealed by English geologists before him. Already in 1796 geologist William Smith observed that certain fossils where only found in certain layers. Furthermore, if given a group of fossils, he could give the order in which they were found in the strata. For that he was nicknamed William "Strata" Smith. All subsequent pre-Darwinian geologists, most of whom did not believe in evolution, added to this record. As a matter of fact. all those early geologists were creationists in the modern rendition of the word.

They eventually worked out an elaborate relative timescale long before Darwin published The Origin of Species. What Darwin eventually provided was a convincing explanation why we observe the particular order in the fossil sequence and in particular why different ages have different fossils.

NO assumptions AT ALL.
OBSERVATIONS.
Not done by evolutionists but by pious and deeply religious men for that matter.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#117231 Jul 7, 2014
wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
now take this part of your practiced speech -- "Denial is not a river in Egypt.
You have been shown to be wrong on both small topics and the major topic in this discussion. You have continually shown that you are dishonest and cannot admit when you have even made the smallest of mistakes, not to mention how you have been totally wrong form the start. How do you expect to learn when you cannot even own up to your smallest of errors'--- read it while looking at yourself in a mirror and come to grips that is you to a perfect tee..
Wow!

Just wow!

Care to repeat any more lies you rude idiotic biatch?

I admitted my errors, you have not admitted even he smallest of yours.

Or do you deny that you read the source I gave to define clades and took out of it the errors about both monkeys and especially snakes not being lizards?

And why did you lie about your education?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#117232 Jul 7, 2014
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
The Guardians Of The Galaxy?
Green Lantern Corps?

Hehehe.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#117233 Jul 7, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
<quoted The Garden of Eden account was an isolated event as suggested by the narrative.
AND IF THE BIBLE CAN BE INTERPRETED TO MATCH ANY KNOWN FACTS; THEN IT IS INDISPENSABLE, FOR WE CAN USE IT TO LEARN THE NATURE OF ALL FACTS.
Actually if it can match ALL facts that makes it crap. Fact is that not all facts are currently known, but according to you it doesn't matter anyway because the Bible will match up with anything no matter what is found. That's why it's not capable of making any scientific predictions. That's why it was USELESS at telling us about the Big Bang, which is probably why cosmologists NEVER found the Bible helpful when developing the theory. That's why it was USELESS at telling us what the shape of the Earth was, because apparently it was a flat square geocentric circle, but you say you have to "interpret" it "correctly" to tell us that the description (even though it's crap) really does match the actual shape of the Earth, it's just that it said it in a poetic (and pretty useless) way.

Because apparently the Almighty isn't very good at giving straight answers.(shrug)

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