Evolution vs. Creation

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SevenTee wrote:
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Take a look at the posters on this thread.
They are Pagans, Heathens and Anti-Christian bigots.
Therein lies the proof
So you're sampling is the maybe 6-10 regular posters in this thread, not all of whom have stated their personal religious beliefs (note, someone challenging a literal interpretation of the Bible is not necessarily Anti-Christian, or even a non-Christian).

Earlier in this thread I posted the Clergy Letter, which is a letter signed by over 12,000 Christian clergy who support Evolution and say there is no conflict between Evolution and Christianity. Are they also Pagans, Heathens and Anti-Christian bigots? Scientists the world over comprise a wide range of all political, social, philosophical and religious beliefs. Other than supporting science and accepting Evolution there is no overriding philosophy that covers all of them.

And even your sampling is off because I know that doesn't account for everyone that posts here supporting Evolution. Some simply don't participate in the religious discussions. And I, personally, have come down defending religion from particularly ardent critics (like that twit, Skeptic, man what a tool). Yes, there are posters here who take a greater zeal in criticizing religion then I am comfortable with, but perhaps if Evolution critics didn't constantly USE their religion as part of their critique, it wouldn't be in play so often. Hell, look at the German kid who was saying stuff like all religious people are stupid and only Atheists are decent, etc. Both sides jumped on him for that. If we were, as you claim, all Anti-Christian bigots, we should have been loving him.

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I have absolutely no idea because I have never seen a testable definition of God that wasn't essentially identifying God with the universe. Attempting to show the existence of something that isn't well defined is a waste of time and energy.
So, if *you* have a testable definition, please give it It is *your* burden because I am not attempting to show the existence of the creature in your mythology.
Observe these questions closely and attempt to answer as honestly as you can:

1. If you were looking for signs that a particular component in an electronic device controls all other components in that device and their functions; what evidence would you look for?

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deutscher Stolz wrote:
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'Putz' is a German word but it doesn't make sense in this context. According to my dictionary 'Putz' means 'plastering' in English and the English 'putz' means 'Dödel' in German.
Yiddish. Also see "Schmuck" Both are fitting.
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Why have you been in Germany?
Helping to defend your country and mine, jackass.
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Hopefully you didn't infect my people with American sillyness.
As many as I could.
deutscher Stolz wrote:
It doesn't seem that you know Germans very well.
Far, far better than you know Americans, Bubi.
deutscher Stolz wrote:
It also depends on the region. The smartest Germans are living in the small cities in the West of Northern Germany. Namely in Lower Saxony and North Rhine-Westphalia
The dumbest Germans are living in the big cities (Berlin, Munich, Hamburg, Cologne,...).
Whatever you say. Funny how you characterize people by region. Ever notice the Albert Einstein was born in southern Germany with the stupid Germans?

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deutscher Stolz wrote:
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No I didn't claim it. The dumb Germans are still smart compared to non Germans and it is a fact that the dumbest Germans are living in Berlin. That doesn't mean that they are dumb compared to non Germans just compared to the other Germans in rural areas.
I am not one of the smartest Germans. I am an average smart German but I would be a genius in America.
Nah. You'd just be a loud mouthed, arrogant punk.

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Proof of what? The fact is most evolutionists evangelize their belief system. The fact is most evolutionist reject creation and Judeo Christian values.
Look in the mirror you reject Christianity and religious life.
Proof that "evolutionsts" are atheists.
Are you already forgotten VERY YOUR OWN post?
NO WONDER you produce that much crap.

TELL US, what AGAIN about the "electron energy levels of light"?

STILL awaiting the answer.

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Of course you never said never, I said "never" because you never point out when I question/give my opinion to an creationists like you do when I do it a evolutionists. Now I see that as you are on a side. Which I have no problem with. I just don't have a side I stand behind or for.
"You pick more at the Evolution side" does acknowledge that you do pick on the Creation side sometimes, otherwise I would have said you only pick on the Evolution side. I never cited examples of you picking on Creationists, that is true, but you originally specifically said that I didn't acknowledge that you did.

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replaytime wrote:
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And by saying that you are judging. Judging is a sin. So in as far as God is concerned that makes you no better than the people you speak badly of. So I fail to see your point.
There, I am pointing it out, happy now?

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SevenTee wrote:
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The poster asks for proof that evolution is a belief system. The proof is in the examination of who the evolutionists are.......they are a group that believes in atheism, paganism and heathenism.
Now what is your point?
That you are wrong. Lots of Christians support Evolution, therefore the group supporting Evolution are not all atheists, pagans and heathens.

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deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>No I didn't claim it. The dumb Germans are still smart compared to non Germans and it is a fact that the dumbest Germans are living in Berlin. That doesn't mean that they are dumb compared to non Germans just compared to the other Germans in rural areas.
I am not one of the smartest Germans. I am an average smart German but I would be a genius in America.
All evidence to the contrary.

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HOG_ the Hand of God cunningly wrote:
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What would you accept as evidence proving God existed?
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... OK, how about a collection of synchronized pulsars, thousands of light years apart, that spell out the Hebrew YHWH as viewed from earth? Any other signature would be equally effective.
Muhu hahahahahahahahhahahahahahaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a!
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Or how about a string of codons in human DNA that can be interpreted as a coding of the first book of Genesis?
*hog rolls around on the floor, dying with laughter*
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Or, if you don't like the specificity of the earth or humans in the above, how about a pattern in the cosmic background radiation that pictures the periodic table of elements?
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*suddenly stop laughing and looks at poly with one brow raised, quzzingly*
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And this is exactly why we require testing. if I disagree with you, we mutually agree on a *test* that will distinguish our two positions. if you think an electron should react in one way, and I think an electron should react in another, we agree on an experiment and see how an electron actually acts. it may well be we are both wrong.
So in the cases above that you have suggested; which one of those things would be proof that God existed?

If for example you saw "synchronized pulsars, thousands of light years apart, that spell out the Hebrew YHWH as viewed from earth": would you accept that as proof of God?

I WOULDN'T.

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HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Did I ever specifically state or suggest in any way that I myself was "not cool" with evolution?
Here is what I have a problem with:
When I ask:
If X contains all potentials, will Y be in within the potentials of X?
I receive a YES, Y will be in the potentials of X.
HOWEVER, when I make a simple substitution of a variable:
Substituting "X" with "the Almighty" (whether there is such a thing or not) and "Y" with "creation of the universe":
If the Almighty contains all potentials, will the creation of the universe be within the potentials of the Almighty?
I receive the answer: "The question is too vague" or "the terms are too vague".
Is "X" any less vague than "Almighty"?
From where I stand, there are people here who reject the idea of God, not because it is false etc; but because they simply dont feel like it.
They are only trying to use science to justify their bias.
Right, I forgot, you accept Evolution but are using this forum as a platform to debate the existence of God. My bad.

My answer would be this: they don't have to justify their belief in the non-existence of God, just as you don't have to justify your belief in His existence. If they say they arrived at their conclusion through study of science, I would accept that. And I would also accept someone who says they arrived at their belief in God through study of science. If either side said that the existence or non-existence of God can be proved with science then I would say they are full of crap. And that, right there, is the extent I am willing to discuss the existence of God because this is not the correct forum for it.

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SevenTee wrote:
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Proof of what? The fact is most evolutionists evangelize their belief system. The fact is most evolutionist reject creation and Judeo Christian values.
Look in the mirror you reject Christianity and religious life.
I actually missed something in my earlier rebuttal. You were talking about the beliefs and opinions of the few people posting here on an internet forum, but my question was really what philosophical or ideological viewpoints are promoted by the Theory of Evolution itself?

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Nah. You'd just be a loud mouthed, arrogant punk.
Excuse me, please do not lump all of us loud mouthed arrogant punks in with that guy.

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macumazahn wrote:
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Tha's called an axiom, defined as a statement that's so obvious that it neither requires, nor is capable of, proof.
"Things equal to the same thing are equal to each other".
PolyMAth seems to suggest that it requires proof.

Tell that to him.
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Aura Mytha wrote:
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Actually you will prolly be dead in America, with your attitude you will be shot or stabbed within a week Adolph.
So you admit that you Americans are criminals?
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SevenTee wrote:
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How in the world would you know this to be the Truth?
I give you some hints why I know it:
total amnesia
biology
logic
rational thinking

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Excuse me, please do not lump all of us loud mouthed arrogant punks in with that guy.
My sincerest apologies.
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MikeF wrote:
Helping to defend your country and mine, jackass.
So you were one of the filthy American soldiers stationed in Germany?

Ami go home.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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...The memory of a hat is not evidence...the hat itself is.
The description of the evidence is not evidence... the evidence itself is.
Aura Mytha wrote:
This is why an eyewitness is less credible than forensic evidence.
This is why a scientific fact should be continually questioned and scrutinized.
Aura Mytha wrote:
Even if a eyewitness points you out as the killer, dna can prove you are not.
Even if I say "God did it", I would be right depending on what I identify "God" to be.
Aura Mytha wrote:
But as a side note you discredited all personal accounts of there being a god for the same reason all personal accounts fail as real evidence, as you can be mistaken or your memory incomplete..
Or it could be that my memory is accurate and my suggestions are accurate BUT:

"A person's assumptions or beliefs about the relationship between observations and a hypothesis will affect WHETHER THAT PERSON TAKES THE OBSERVATIONS AS EVIDENCE." [wikipedia.com]
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MikeF wrote:
Whatever you say. Funny how you characterize people by region. Ever notice the Albert Einstein was born in southern Germany with the stupid Germans?
The Germans from Southern Germany are still intelligent.
Austrians are intelligent as well.

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