Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222225 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“ad victoriam”

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arte et marte

#115313 Jun 23, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
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For example they can tell Americans how dumb they are so that they know it.
The Internet has opened my eyes.
Whatever you say Heimlich die Schwanzschlucker.

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#115314 Jun 23, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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Actually if you DID present a valid scientific case I would have to accept it...

And notice once again how you tried to get others to do YOUR homework.
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Ok.

When you set out to seek evidence in the form of fossils; DONT YOU KNOW THAT THE FOSSILS WILL DEMONSTRATE SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND RELEVANT TO YOUR CLAIMS?

So if you dont know what "God" is; how will you know whether or not the evidence I present to you is relevant or valid?

IF you cant specify what attribute (e.g. the tendency to form fossils) you are looking for: how will you know that you are looking for or when you have found it?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#115315 Jun 23, 2014
wondering wrote:
about 2 hours ago i presented a few interesting links on european-americans having more deleterious genetic variation than african populations and no one even responds to them. so much for you people being interested in evolution and science. seems you would rather waste time arguing about ego’s and meaningless things. don’t let someone interested in science discussion interfere with talking about your ego’s, pigeon crap, the bible or your other meaningless things. time to go back to a forum where there is better and more interesting conversation on things than here on the kindergarten level. well played, continue on.
Geez. You drop into an existing conversation then start whining because everyone doesn't drop what they're doing to pay attention to you. Bummer.

Why not start a new topic instead of trying to hijack this one?
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#115316 Jun 23, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Whatever you say Heimlich die Schwanzschlucker.
What?

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#115317 Jun 23, 2014
The Dude wrote:
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Up until now, and every day ever after, neither have you.
And funnily enough we don't have to. It's YOUR job.
Suppose I brought the carcass of a dog and say "here is evidence of God"; how would you know whether the evidence proves the existence of God or not?

Since you dont know God, on what basis will you determine if my assumption are correct?
The Dude wrote:
Well then if you want others to be convinced of your Divine knowledge, it is then your job to describe exactly what to look for and how.
Look for the effect of power, for one of the primary assertions is that God is Almighty.

CAn you see or observe power?

If you can, is that evidence of the Almighty?

DO you know what God is such that you can say that God is not almighty nor is the effect of power a sign of his/its existence?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#115318 Jun 23, 2014
Cali-girl20 wrote:
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I did provide a exact reference. You seem to have found it alright. All thought that is buffered and sugar coated. Before they found the discrepancy they stated for a fact that they knew exactly how old the universe was. Carbon dating was used as an exact science and was used to date everything. It was big news when the universe was found to be much older then they had previously stated. I'm a sciance buff myself and remember it clearly.
Evidently you do not. No one has ever claimed to know EXACTLY how old the universe is and carbon dating was never used to date everything let alone the universe. It is only useful back to around 60,000 years.
Cali-girl20 wrote:
This argument will never be solved. The farther we get away from the beginning the harder it will be to prove either side. The bible has been misinterpreted, abused and parts are missing. Sciance is open to the same problems. I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
The argument will never be solved because there are those who do not want to solved.

“Me Me Me!”

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#115319 Jun 23, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Carbon dating used to date >everything? The truth is somewhere in the middle between the Bible and what? I can believe you are a sciance buff, but the proper spelling is "seance."
Did I write too fast for you?

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

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mutilate. Point down range.

#115320 Jun 23, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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My point exactly.
And the fact that you are not interested gives you enough justification to reject my claims; WITHOUT THEM BEING FALSE.
Thats all you need.
All you need to reject evidence is to not care about what it implies..
That pretty much sums up all you are, where you are coming from and where you are going (and where you are capable of going).
Now you see why I might as well be a pigeon, strutting around and crapping all over your posts?
The fact that I am not trying to prove the existence of God has no impact on the validity of your claims. Your REFUSAL to provide evidence, however, does. That is why I reject your claims. They are meaningless.

Yes, it does sum up all I am. Deal with it pigeon.

You are a pigeon strutting around as if you did something important and crapping all over the board.

Boy, somebody must have really pissed you off.

“Think&Care”

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#115321 Jun 23, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Ok.
When you set out to seek evidence in the form of fossils; DONT YOU KNOW THAT THE FOSSILS WILL DEMONSTRATE SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND RELEVANT TO YOUR CLAIMS?
No. You certainly *hope* that the fossils you find will *help* to resolve some questions you have. But that may or may not be the case, depending on which fossils are found and the questions being asked.
So if you dont know what "God" is; how will you know whether or not the evidence I present to you is relevant or valid?
IF you cant specify what attribute (e.g. the tendency to form fossils) you are looking for: how will you know that you are looking for or when you have found it?
Sorry, but you are the one making an existence claim. It is *your* responsibility to determine *ahead of time* what would validate and what would invalidate that claim. Until you do, all claims you make can safely be ignored.

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mutilate. Point down range.

#115322 Jun 23, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Ok.
When you set out to seek evidence in the form of fossils; DONT YOU KNOW THAT THE FOSSILS WILL DEMONSTRATE SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND RELEVANT TO YOUR CLAIMS?
So if you dont know what "God" is; how will you know whether or not the evidence I present to you is relevant or valid?
IF you cant specify what attribute (e.g. the tendency to form fossils) you are looking for: how will you know that you are looking for or when you have found it?
Since you never present evidence, I guess we will never know.

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mutilate. Point down range.

#115323 Jun 23, 2014
Cali-girl20 wrote:
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Science also said at one time that the world was flat. It took people with an open mind to prove them wrong.
I'm not going to put down either side. Like I said I think they are both right in their own way.
Science has actually proven that some things said in the bible were dead on.
Science never claimed that world was flat. That was considered common knowledge and is even found in the Bible. It was science that showed that the world was not flat and was not the center of the universe. An effort that got the original scientists putting it forward into hot water with Christians.

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#115324 Jun 23, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Evidently you do not. No one has ever claimed to know EXACTLY how old the universe is and carbon dating was never used to date everything let alone the universe. It is only useful back to around 60,000 years.
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The argument will never be solved because there are those who do not want to solved.
Yes I do and yes they did.

It will never be solved as long as people think of God as being instead of as a energy.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

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mutilate. Point down range.

#115325 Jun 23, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Suppose I brought the carcass of a dog and say "here is evidence of God"; how would you know whether the evidence proves the existence of God or not?
Since you dont know God, on what basis will you determine if my assumption are correct?
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Look for the effect of power, for one of the primary assertions is that God is Almighty.
CAn you see or observe power?
If you can, is that evidence of the Almighty?
DO you know what God is such that you can say that God is not almighty nor is the effect of power a sign of his/its existence?
Since you don't seem to know or understand yourself, perhaps you should talk to some theologians or Biblical scholars.

Do you keep these dog carcasses in an old freezer hidden secretly in the woods?

“Think&Care”

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#115326 Jun 23, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
Look for the effect of power, for one of the primary assertions is that God is Almighty.
OK, so I see an 'effect of power'. I have the power to type on this keyboard. How is that evidence for the existence of God?
CAn you see or observe power?
The word 'power' has many definitions. Which specific one do you mean? Power, as in energy per time? Power as in exponentiation? Power as in government power? Power as in ability of art to bring on emotion? These are all different notions and are not at all the same. Which do you mean?
If you can, is that evidence of the Almighty?
Is the existence of power evidence that there is an almighty? No.

Does the existence of something that has a a power imply the existence of something that is all powerful? No.

Is the observability of energy going past a point over time (i.e, power) evidence of a creator of the universe? No.

Is the existence of government power evidence that there is a power that controls the universe? No.

need I really go on?
DO you know what God is such that you can say that God is not almighty nor is the effect of power a sign of his/its existence?
Huh? Attempt to speak English, please. You have *defined* God as being 'Almighty'. Fine.

Now show that an 'Almighty' actually exists.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#115327 Jun 23, 2014
Cali-girl20 wrote:
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Yes I do and yes they did.
Then provide a reference supporting your claim.
Cali-girl20 wrote:
It will never be solved as long as people think of God as being instead of as a energy.
If you say so.

“Think&Care”

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#115328 Jun 23, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Suppose I brought the carcass of a dog and say "here is evidence of God"; how would you know whether the evidence proves the existence of God or not?
Well, I could go through several of the commonly claimed properties for God and see if that carcass is relevant to the existence of something with those properties.

For example, is the carcass of a dog relevant to the existence of a creator of the universe? No.

Is the carcass of the dog relevant to the existence of a governor of the universe? No.

Is the carcass of the dog relevant to the existence of a supernatural? No.

Is the carcass of the dog relevant to the existence of a morality giver? No.

is the carcass of the dog relevant to the existence of an all powerful being? No.

Is the carcass of the dog relevant to the existence of a being that is all knowing? No.

Since most common definitions of the term 'God' involve one or more of the above properties, I conclude that the carcass of the dog is irrelevant to the existence of God.

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#115329 Jun 23, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Science never claimed that world was flat. That was considered common knowledge and is even found in the Bible. It was science that showed that the world was not flat and was not the center of the universe. An effort that got the original scientists putting it forward into hot water with Christians.
The Christian scientists said it was then another scientist corrected them.
That's the way it works.

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#115330 Jun 23, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Then provide a reference supporting your claim.
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If you say so.
I already did.
wondering

Morris, OK

#115331 Jun 23, 2014
all plant life, all land life, all aquatic life, all life period all came from one simple single-celled organism that accidentally began to reproduce, accidentally became multi-cellular and accidentally became a shape shifter. i say accidentally because if those abilities did not already exist or weren't planned, then it had to come to those abilities by accident.

did life start with a rather large population? it would have to had started with a rather large population for natural selection to act for we all know that in smaller populations genetic drift causes reduced genetic variation so the evolution of all we see today, with decreased genetic variation would not be possible.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#115332 Jun 23, 2014
Cali-girl20 wrote:
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I already did.
No, you only cited your faulty memory. Give a *real* reference.

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