Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223358 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“ad victoriam”

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Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#115015 Jun 21, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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The description of the evidence is not evidence... the evidence itself is.
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This is why a scientific fact should be continually questioned and scrutinized.
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Even if I say "God did it", I would be right depending on what I identify "God" to be.
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Or it could be that my memory is accurate and my suggestions are accurate BUT:
"A person's assumptions or beliefs about the relationship between observations and a hypothesis will affect WHETHER THAT PERSON TAKES THE OBSERVATIONS AS EVIDENCE." [wikipedia.com]
"The description of the evidence is not evidence... the evidence itself is."

Duh

"This is why a scientific fact should be continually questioned and scrutinized."

It is, and that's why it's scientific. It's also why a scientific fact is a scientific fact.
It already passed the scrutiny tests. Like evolution is a scientific fact after 150 of it.
How long must a scientific fact be scrutinized before excepted?
In the religious prolly another million years they will still continually question and scrutinize the scientific fact.

"Even if I say "God did it", I would be right depending on what I identify "God" to be."

Doesn't matter what you describe god to be , it would not be taken as real evidence.
For instance while under oath in court your saying "God did it" might work in explaining a few things , that do not require a specific or accurate answer. It would be seen as you saying you don't know what did it.

But when they ask you who took the money or any question that requires a tangible answer you would likely be slapped with a contempt charge with that answer.

"Or it could be that my memory is accurate and my suggestions are accurate BUT:
"A person's assumptions or beliefs about the relationship between observations and a hypothesis will affect WHETHER THAT PERSON TAKES THE OBSERVATIONS AS EVIDENCE."

Personal accounts are evidence , but they are low level evidence. They are considering factors only, because humans can lie, be mistaken, be fooled and have distorted memory.

Physical evidence does none of these things therefore trumps personal testimony.

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#115016 Jun 21, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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And you know this with a 99.9% degree of certainty?
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The efficacy of those things do not indicate the existence of God.
If you were able to prove that all those things are effective and that they are real phenomena; IT STILL WOULDN'T PROVE THAT THERE IS A "GOD".
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Really?
Those things would not serve as evidence, proving to me that God existed.
I cant imagine how they could suggest to YOU that God existed.

Well those are the claims of Christianity, if you can't prove the claims are true, then
how do you expect to prove there's a god? You are left with nothing, standing naked at the pulpit.

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#115017 Jun 21, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
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Of course not everyone is criminal. For example most Germans are decent people and not criminal.
What crime do you mean?
You asked the question.
deutscher Stolz

Lohne, Germany

#115020 Jun 21, 2014
reporterreport wrote:
Too bad evolution left "deutscher stolz" (German pride, my foot!) behind. He's still one of the apes.
Hey, goofball! If the Americans that you hate so much hadn't had a presence in Germany after World War II, you'd all have gone communist, and your whole country would have become a latrine like the former East Germany. Your entire Wirtschaftswunder would never happened.
So shut up and YOU go home and thank God every day the Americans saved your from the Nazis AND the Russians!
And then learn some manners and to converse with others without resorting to insults!
You stupid American.
Nazis were mainly the fault of brits, French and Americans. Russia never had a chance against us if you had stop annoying us. You supported Russia in WW2 for defeating us.
deutscher Stolz

Lohne, Germany

#115021 Jun 21, 2014
Discord wrote:
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Exactly, it's not like anyone in Germany is going to miss the, what,$5 billion of directly infused money those bases provide, or the estimated $800+ million that the US service men and women spend of their salaries into the local economy.
I am sure the unemployed Germans will be perfectly happy to go hungry in order to satisfy your mad on for America.
Are you kidding me?

“I laugh at trolls, because”

Level 6

Since: Apr 10

they are the laughing stock!

#115022 Jun 21, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
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You stupid American.
Nazis were mainly the fault of brits, French and Americans. Russia never had a chance against us if you had stop annoying us. You supported Russia in WW2 for defeating us.
Naturally you wouldn't admit any responsibility. I suppose you think the Jews walked voluntarily into concentration camps and gassed themselves? Did you flunk history in school? Oh, that's right - they don't teach about that notorious era in your schools - wouldn't want the GERMANS to be too educated...

You're not so bright yourself. Is jumping to conclusions your only exercise?

You have absolutely NO IDEA what nationality I am. Doesn't keep you from throwing your stuck-up, clueless opinion around, though.

I bet your fellow Germans despise your opinionated, bull-headed self also (and laugh their heads off about silly old you).

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#115024 Jun 21, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
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Are you kidding me?
Not at all. Building US bases in Germany means employed German citizens and money for Germany. US military personnel stationed in Germany buy German goods, earning money for Germany.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#115026 Jun 21, 2014
Congratz to Germany for not losing against Ghana. The header at 71 minutes was a thing of beauty and should be in that player's highlight real for years to come. Although around 68 minutes a German player took a pretty obvious dive. Slow mo replay showed the Ghana player's foot nowhere near the German player but the German player went down.

“It is what it is”

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Since: Mar 13

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#115027 Jun 21, 2014
reporterreport wrote:
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Exactly! The German government actually opposes withdrawal of American troops from Germany, because of the economic advantage.
That deutscher stolz guy is just a weird troll, trying to make trouble. Poor guy needs to get a life - and an EDUCATION!
Do you live in the United States? If so simple question for you. Would "you" you as a person, want Iraq, Russia, Germany, Korea, or any other country to have military bases here in the USA even if our country gained some economically? I myself would not.

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#115028 Jun 21, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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Do you live in the United States? If so simple question for you. Would "you" you as a person, want Iraq, Russia, Germany, Korea, or any other country to have military bases here in the USA even if our country gained some economically? I myself would not.
Unfortunately when you get get your ass kicked in a war you start, you may have to allow foreign military bases inside your country. Or you can just dissolve your country and join the victors. You may choose now.

“It is what it is”

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Since: Mar 13

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#115031 Jun 21, 2014
reporterreport wrote:
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Apples and oranges, replaytime! Germany lost the war, and the Allieds occupied it for its own protection (and the protection of surrounding countries). Later, this turned into an economical advantage for Germany. Most Germans have no problems with the American presence, there are just a few low-lives like deutscher stolz who are ignorant of facts and turn their frustration on America
.There would never be a reason for a foreign power to occupy the United States!
Funny how neither you or Aura will answer a simple honest question. You both know how you would feel about it but yet neither will give your answer on how you would feel about it.

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#115032 Jun 21, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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Funny how neither you or Aura will answer a simple honest question. You both know how you would feel about it but yet neither will give your answer on how you would feel about it.
I'm half Japanese, now that half feels shame and humiliation.
What do you want to hear , of course no one likes to have something like that.
On the other hand , my father met may mother from being on a military base in Japan.
Me so happy USA military base in Japan! < Aura waves little US flag smiles and say...

Big Ticket, take pik-ure? 5 dollar

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#115033 Jun 21, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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Funny how neither you or Aura will answer a simple honest question. You both know how you would feel about it but yet neither will give your answer on how you would feel about it.
Just glad father not real Russian hero...lol
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#115034 Jun 21, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
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You stupid American.
Nazis were mainly the fault of brits, French and Americans. Russia never had a chance against us if you had stop annoying us. You supported Russia in WW2 for defeating us.
Sieg Heil! Yes the concentrations camps where 6 million Jews were exterminated were all standing in England and France. Sieg Heil! And Mein Kampf was secretly written by Churchill and the Potzdammer Conference actually took place in Paris. Sieg Heil!

The poor Germans had nothing left to do than gassing Jews. Sieg Heil! They could not help. Sieg Heil! They were innocent. Besides, "Ich habe es nicht gewusst". Sieg Heil!
deutscher Stolz

Lohne, Germany

#115035 Jun 21, 2014
reporterreport wrote:
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Apples and oranges, replaytime! Germany lost the war, and the Allieds occupied it for its own protection (and the protection of surrounding countries). Later, this turned into an economical advantage for Germany. Most Germans have no problems with the American presence, there are just a few low-lives like deutscher stolz who are ignorant of facts and turn their frustration on America
.
You don't know Germans. Most of us have problems with it. We also don't want your nuclear weapons on German soil.

Here this comes in our media about America.



Unfortunately there aren't subtitles but I am trying to translate some parts:

"Hello America!
We have to talk. After almost 70 years of transatlantic friendship we are fed up to the back teeth. We eat your disgusting ring shaped-pastry. We let take us for an idiot by NSA and facebook. You fight your wars from our airports. To say it short. Germany is the fucking Ukraine of the USA.
Silence!
The whole shit of your broken colonie is swashing to Europe. We have tolerated cheeseburger, Halloween and baywatch. Soon our asses are as wide as the asses of your fat woman. We are even drinking your shit coffee with jam taste but now the humiliation has an end.

...
What do you want?
Do German students have to be as stupid as yours Do our religion teachers also have automatic weapons soon?

...
Do you know what? If you are looking for friends who fits to you then take Saudi Arabia.
Now I am saying as the representant of the Germans 'push the free trade agreement there where the burger is seeing the light again'

...
"
We also hate your drones war.

“Merry Christmas”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Happy New Year

#115036 Jun 21, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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No.
I dont accept evolution, nor do I reject it.
As far as I am concerned, any concept which has consistency will influence valid, effective feedback when applied.
Actually, I DO HAVE TO JUSTIFY MY BELIEF IN GOD.
As a rational entity, I cannot believe or accept anything without being able to justify why I find it acceptable or credible.
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Describe or identify the property or attribute which reders him/it provable and/or un-provable.
So you are crapping on the board from your position on the fence. Well done.*pigeon preens feathers with an old nasty cigarette it finds next to own feces*

You don't have to justify your position here. This is a science forum. I don't care what you believe and I doubt many others do either. Your personal belief isn't relevant to science.

*pigeon picks parasites out of feathers and eats them*
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#115037 Jun 21, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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The proof is in the examination of who the evolutionists are.......they are a group that believes in atheism, paganism and heathenism.
Really? Tell that to the evangelical Christians at Baylor University, the "largest Baptist University in the world," where the students go on mission trips, etc.

This is from the Biology Department at Baylor:
http://www.baylor.edu/biology/index.php...

Statement on Evolution
"Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously."

Also, here from the Baylor Geology Department:
http://www.baylor.edu/geology/index.php...

Quote:

"Question: Does the fossil record support the idea of biological change over time (biological evolution)?

Yes. The fossil record clearly indicates...

a progression in complexity of organisms from very simple fossil forms in the oldest rocks (>3.5 billion years old) to a broad spectrum from simple to complex forms in younger rocks,

that some organisms that were once common are now extinct, and

that the living organisms inhabiting our world today are similar (but generally not the same) as organisms represented as fossils in young sedimentary deposits, which in turn have evolutionary ancestors represented as fossils in yet older rocks.

Mammals, for example, are prevalent today and can be traced back in the fossil record for approximately 200 million years, but are not present as mammals in the fossil record before that; however, fossil forms that have reasonably been interpreted to be associated with the evolutionary precursors to mammals are found in older rocks.

Whether biological evolution occurs has not been a matter of scientific debate for more than a century. It is considered a proven fact."

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Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#115038 Jun 21, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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Do you live in the United States? If so simple question for you. Would "you" you as a person, want Iraq, Russia, Germany, Korea, or any other country to have military bases here in the USA even if our country gained some economically? I myself would not.
Russia, Iraq or Korea not really but Germany sure as they are our allies, just there would be no reason to. Ramstein was in part a NATO installation, not just for the US, and it made more sense to have NATO bases in Germany during the Cold War then in Nebraska. It is still an international force there, with troops from other countries besides the US.

“It is what it is”

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Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#115039 Jun 21, 2014
Discord wrote:
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Russia, Iraq or Korea not really but Germany sure as they are our allies, just there would be no reason to. Ramstein was in part a NATO installation, not just for the US, and it made more sense to have NATO bases in Germany during the Cold War then in Nebraska. It is still an international force there, with troops from other countries besides the US.
How do you feel about that some state and national parks are owned/controlled by the United Nations. <<<Just things I have read. But we(the US) owes the United Nations between $1.2-1.5 billion in back dues.(that was the 2010 total)

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#115040 Jun 21, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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How do you feel about that some state and national parks are owned/controlled by the United Nations. <<<Just things I have read. But we(the US) owes the United Nations between $1.2-1.5 billion in back dues.(that was the 2010 total)
I'm from NY so they forgive the debt in exchange for us forgiving the parking tickets and call it even.

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