Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 219597 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#114795 Jun 19, 2014
Gillette wrote:
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John is the only gospel that records the startling, seminal statement, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
If Jesus actually said this to His disciples -- and if in fact it is true and our eternal pain or happiness depends on it -- don't you think all of the gospels would have recorded it?
Would this idea not have survived from the earliest days of Christianity by word of mouth as one of the most important ideas of the new religion?
Why is it not in the Synoptics? And why does it not appear in the earliest writings, the letters of Paul?
Why does it only appear in the last dated of the gospels, nearly 60 years later?
(And if you say "Jesus only said this privately to John" I would ask "Why wouldn't John have eagerly passed this on to the other disciples and thus made it a part of their shared understanding? If our eternal destiny depends on it?")
Could it have something to do with the fact that John was probably written by the Johanine community in Asia Minor, where they were surrounded by Greek culture with its full pantheon of Gods from which to choose, and at a time (late in the first century) when the new religion was trying to make inroads into this polytheistic Gentile community? A clear statement of exclusivity from "The Son of God" might have been helpful in their missionary efforts.
jesus didn't say it as it would have been heretical to his teachings. he never claimed to be the son of god...what john was preaching, the followers of jesus tried to stop.

jesus preached to jews about re-establishing the kingdom of god here on earth, not in heaven, where the twelve tribes of israel would rule over an ethnically cleansed land once again...

nothing holy about that,,,just another cult whack-job...

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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He Is A Sock Know It All

#114796 Jun 19, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Jesu/s is life.
There is a meaning behind the expression "I am the way... and the life"[Jesu/s]
But this is perhaps not the place to discuss it.
I would discuss it in a private message if you desire.
No thank you. I believe I will pass on that.(messaging being turned off now)

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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#114797 Jun 19, 2014
Discord wrote:
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So let me ask you, honestly, when reading his posts do you really think he is just referring to some Americans, like ones he has met or interacted with or seen on TV, but reserving judgement on the others, or do you think he is, in his mind, referring to all Americans? I mean, "I hate Americans" isn't exactly leaving a lot of room for wiggle room when in any of these cases the simple addition of the word some, many or most would have removed all doubt.
I don't know. I can't read his mind to know his thoughts. The best way to find out is to ask him.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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#114798 Jun 19, 2014
Discord wrote:
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So let me ask you, honestly, when reading his posts do you really think he is just referring to some Americans, like ones he has met or interacted with or seen on TV, but reserving judgement on the others, or do you think he is, in his mind, referring to all Americans? I mean, "I hate Americans" isn't exactly leaving a lot of room for wiggle room when in any of these cases the simple addition of the word some, many or most would have removed all doubt.
One thing is that there are Americans now that were not Americans during the war, so he would have no reason to hate them except for them becoming Americans. So one would have to clarify with him if he hates "all" Americans even people that have became Americans since the war has been over up until present day or if he has exceptions.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#114799 Jun 19, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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I don't know. I can't read his mind to know his thoughts. The best way to find out is to ask him.
Or we can read what he has already written, he hasn't exactly been shy about the topic.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#114800 Jun 19, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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One thing is that there are Americans now that were not Americans during the war, so he would have no reason to hate them except for them becoming Americans. So one would have to clarify with him if he hates "all" Americans even people that have became Americans since the war has been over up until present day or if he has exceptions.
He did mention something about Germans moving to America since the war. I believe the word traitor was invoked at least once.

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#114801 Jun 19, 2014
Discord wrote:
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He did mention something about Germans moving to America since the war. I believe the word traitor was invoked at least once.
You know,,,,,call me crazy,,,,But maybe you should try asking him. It is crazy enough it just might work!!

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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#114802 Jun 19, 2014
Discord wrote:
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He did mention something about Germans moving to America since the war. I believe the word traitor was invoked at least once.
Oh when I say "maybe you should try asking", That is my scientific hypothesis for your problem of what he means. It has not only been observed, it has also been tested and shown to work quite often.

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#114803 Jun 19, 2014
Discord wrote:
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He did mention something about Germans moving to America since the war. I believe the word traitor was invoked at least once.
All things aside. Discord it has been interesting and fun. Not one name was called to/or by either.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#114804 Jun 19, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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All things aside. Discord it has been interesting and fun. Not one name was called to/or by either.
That is not how I roll. I've been involved in online discussions/debates/flamewars since the Usenet days of 92 and I learned that no matter what to always maintain a clear, calm style, explain your position, and let the other person get irrational. No reason to get all name calling and upset, as far as I am concerned, you're all just electrons.
deutscher Stolz

Ibbenb├╝ren, Germany

#114805 Jun 20, 2014
Discord wrote:
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You do realize this is the internet and there is a record of what you say:
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Sorry, not seeing any most or almost all.
Where did I speak from Jesus Freaks?
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#114806 Jun 20, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
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Where did I speak from Jesus Freaks?
How do I evade the clue of something said?
> just start a rant about one tiny, unimportant detail.
That averts from having to deal with it.
deutscher Stolz

Ibbenb├╝ren, Germany

#114807 Jun 20, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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One thing is that there are Americans now that were not Americans during the war, so he would have no reason to hate them except for them becoming Americans. So one would have to clarify with him if he hates "all" Americans even people that have became Americans since the war has been over up until present day or if he has exceptions.
Of course there are exceptions.

I am refering to 95% of the Americans.

The other 5% are very intelligent Americans what means that they are average intelligent for us Germans.

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#114808 Jun 20, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
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Of course there are exceptions.
I am refering to 95% of the Americans.
The other 5% are very intelligent Americans what means that they are average intelligent for us Germans.
How?
Where do you got that information from?
Oh, i remember, your opinion.
Wake up!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#114809 Jun 20, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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Don't you get it yet. We have larger cranial capacity than prior hominid species, which means we have bigger brains thus are more intelligent. No wait,,, there were prior homidid species with larger cranium capacities than ours. Scratch that ideal.
Ah, but don't you get it? The cranium sizes go both up AND down. But if you look at them all in context, you will see the general trend is that they go up in size over time, as evolution predicted. Variation is a PREDICTION of evolution, not a failure.

Oh, and I notice you didn't spot the flaws in Hog's post. Well done!

“Think&Care”

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#114810 Jun 20, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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Jesu/s is life.
So biology is the study of Jesus? Something doesn't sound right there....
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#114811 Jun 20, 2014
SevenTee is my IQ wrote:
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With all due respect evolutionists are not all idiots? They are lost souls desperate to believe in something they can not understand. Ever wonder why their pro-evolution arguments are based upon feelings and emotion rather than true science. They have lost the argument but want to believe. Therefore they cling to their cult belief system and seek acceptance from other like minded folks.
Still projecting, eh Seven?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#114812 Jun 20, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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No thank you. I believe I will pass on that.(messaging being turned off now)
Oh, so you CAN recognise that he's a nut, but you decided to take his side to have a go at the mean old evo's anyway.

“Think&Care”

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#114813 Jun 20, 2014
HOG_ the Hand of God wrote:
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If the thing which gave you X did not have X in itself; where did you get X from?
Way to general of a question. Water doesn't need to be in something to be able to generate water from it. Electrons don't have to be in something in order for them to emitted by it.
You use the ability to produce that which is intelligent as an indicator of intelligence?
You are using the ambiguity in the word 'produce' to muddy the waters here. The ability to produce an intelligent idea is evidence of intelligence. The ability to produce an intelligent organism is not.
Your ability to point out real flaws is questionable.
From whence did you obtain the intellectual capacity if the thing that created your intelligence was not intelligent?
Intelligence isn't a unitary thing: it has components that one assembles as one learns and grows.
Out of nothing comes nothing; and the moment you begin to assume a causeless event, your science terminates.
Wrong yet again. Science does quite well dealing with causeless events. Most quantum level events are uncaused. So science deals with the statistical properties of those events. looks like your philosophy of science is about a century out of date.
My interests in your remarks has been reduced to a mere tolerance.
If you want to sound sensible, obtain a list of the assumptions that I have made and show me the error in them.
Dodge-ball is definitely you thing.
1. You have assumed that the term 'Almighty' has meaning. Without an order on the concept of power, there need be no 'most powerful'
2. You have assumed that simply defining something as 'Almighty' implies it must actually exist. basic logical error.
3. You have assumed that production of an intelligent organism makes something intelligent. In spite of examples, you still maintain this one.
4. You have made multiple logical flaws based on ambiguous terminology (power, produce, etc) To produce has several meanings: to produce an idea is different than producing a new person.

That should get you started.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#114814 Jun 20, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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So biology is the study of Jesus? Something doesn't sound right there....
Especially since that for us to meet Jesus, apparently we have to die first.

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