Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 195241 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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HAGER

United States

#114025 Jun 12, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
what ist 'Mutters'?
Frauen.
HAGER

United States

#114026 Jun 12, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
what ist 'Mutters'?
geben Sie unsbitte mehrere Frauen, die mit Ihrer mutter beginnen und 35 Schritte zuruckgehen.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114027 Jun 12, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Lady GaGa is representative for most Americans.
Yes I know all these great accomplisments by Germans and I also know Wernher von Braun.
I know that you stole our inventions and scientists after WW2. Today you are what you are because of stolen German patents, inventions and scientists.after WW2. This gave you an incredible advance compared to the other nations.
That is as wrong as saying Joseph Goeebels is representative for most Americans.

And no, we did not steal one single German invention.

Certain German people who had some talent left your sorry country, but I doubt if you could list one German patent "stolen" by the U.S..

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#114028 Jun 12, 2014
HAGER wrote:
<quoted text>geben Sie unsbitte mehrere Frauen, die mit Ihrer mutter beginnen und 35 Schritte zuruckgehen.
As Stolz has pointed out your question is a malformed question. In other words it is foolish.

Let's say we go back only two generations and find that due to some mild incest you have only one grandfather. By your formula going back we would count 2 grandfathers and 2 grandmothers or 4 people while in reality there were only 3 people involved.

Sooner or later you will find that some of your relatives appear more than once in your ancestry.
The Hand of God

Kingston, Jamaica

#114029 Jun 12, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Intelligence does work (better for some than others, it seems) but asking "why" is too vague to succinctly address.
By "vague", I am suggesting that you mean 'Is of a nature which I am not able to discern'.
Nevertheless, for people like myself who are concerned about the true potential of our faculties; it is a question worthy of contemplation.
ChromiuMan wrote:
Why is water "intelligent" enough to form a snowflake? Is a tree "intelligent" to reach toward sunlight? Is the Earth showing its intelligence by maintaining an orbit which can be described by complex formulas? Let's not beat around the bush. You attribute these things not to balancing natural effects, but to "intelligent" magic for which the root is a romantic belief in a bronze age codex... nothing more.
I am not saying that water is intelligent enough to form a snowflake etc, etc.
I am saying that those phenomena are the result of (an) "intelligent" influence, which I have come to identify with "Jehovah".
"Balancing natural effects" are attributed to the influence of "Jehovah".
Intelligence is "magical", so to that degree I can see with your expression "intelligent magic".
You lost me at the point of "bronze age codex".
ChromiuMan wrote:
...Jehovah aka "God" aka All Powerful is similarly a supernatural humanoid being.
The human capacity to anthropomorphize allows us to call the inanimate as if it were animate; but do you have a 99.9% certainty that this is true.
ChromiuMan wrote:
All evidence points to intelligence as being the product of a working biological brain.
All commonsense looks at the fact that the working biological brain did not create itself: and a product always bears the impressions of the source and processes which formed it.
Therefore I am justified in suggesting that something intelligent created that which is intelligent.
ChromiuMan wrote:
... Even a cockroach is capable of some level of self awareness and intelligence. Intelligent behavior is not evidenced by supplicating to mythical supernatural creatures. In this, the cockroach is more sane than others, it seems.
I agree.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#114030 Jun 12, 2014
The Hand of God wrote:
<quoted text>
By "vague", I am suggesting that you mean 'Is of a nature which I am not able to discern'.
Nevertheless, for people like myself who are concerned about the true potential of our faculties; it is a question worthy of contemplation.
<quoted text>
I am not saying that water is intelligent enough to form a snowflake etc, etc.
I am saying that those phenomena are the result of (an) "intelligent" influence, which I have come to identify with "Jehovah".
"Balancing natural effects" are attributed to the influence of "Jehovah".
Intelligence is "magical", so to that degree I can see with your expression "intelligent magic".
You lost me at the point of "bronze age codex".
<quoted text>
The human capacity to anthropomorphize allows us to call the inanimate as if it were animate; but do you have a 99.9% certainty that this is true.
<quoted text>
All commonsense looks at the fact that the working biological brain did not create itself: and a product always bears the impressions of the source and processes which formed it.
Therefore I am justified in suggesting that something intelligent created that which is intelligent.
<quoted text>
I agree.
You speak of greatly God but in my opinion the name you chose "The Hand of God" is a mockery to God. If he is all mighty as you say, then you saying you are the hand of God is an insult to his greatness.
The Hand of God

Kingston, Jamaica

#114032 Jun 12, 2014
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
You speak of greatly God but in my opinion the name you chose "The Hand of God" is a mockery to God. If he is all mighty as you say, then you saying you are the hand of God is an insult to his greatness.
Booyah!

The retreat to issues of morality.

You are now my prisoner of war!

LOL!

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#114033 Jun 12, 2014
The Hand of God wrote:
<quoted text>
Booyah!
The retreat to issues of morality.
You are now my prisoner of war!
LOL!
LOL

“Seventh son”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#114034 Jun 12, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Lady GaGa is representative for most Americans.
Yes I know all these great accomplisments by Germans and I also know Wernher von Braun.
I know that you stole our inventions and scientists after WW2. Today you are what you are because of stolen German patents, inventions and scientists.after WW2. This gave you an incredible advance compared to the other nations.
Hello WW2 was a lifetime away from now , we stay in advances because we live for advancement.
HAGER

United States

#114035 Jun 13, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
As Stolz has pointed out your question is a malformed question. In other words it is foolish.
Let's say we go back only two generations and find that due to some mild incest you have only one grandfather. By your formula going back we would count 2 grandfathers and 2 grandmothers or 4 people while in reality there were only 3 people involved.
Sooner or later you will find that some of your relatives appear more than once in your ancestry.
I understand that the men may have this appearance more than once, but the question was related to the women. Our mothers had mothers and their mothers had mothers. If we only count our mothers grandmothers and our fathers grandmothers back 35 doublings, you can see a great number of women involved. In reality, only the men could appear more than once in anyones ancestry.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#114036 Jun 13, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
Does in English 'I was a teenager' and 'I was a youth' mean the same?
Teenager specifically refers to 13 to 19. "Youth" is more generic, just someone who isn't very old.
deutscher Stolz wrote:
In German 'Ich war ein Jugendlicher' and 'Ich war eine Jugend' are not the same. The second one doesn't make sense.
Exactly that is the problem I guess. Namely that in English youth could mean both 'Jugend' and 'Jugendlicher'
It sounded okay in English.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#114037 Jun 13, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
In German we have the saying "Auch ein blindes Huhn findet mal ein Korn".
I don't know how to translate it into English but it is so true.
Have you bothered to ask why English is the international language of Law, Banking, Trade and Commerce, Insurance, Science and Technology and what have you, instead of German?
So, stop the rubbish and move on.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#114038 Jun 13, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what the Holocaust is?
The Holocaust is the killing of 6 million Jews by Nazis ordered by
Britain, France and Poland in the name of the Germans.
False. The Jews then and even now, are not blind. They knew their killers to date. Like i said, let go. Let bygones be bygones. Ok?
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#114039 Jun 13, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
Certain German people who had some talent left your sorry country, but I doubt if you could list one German patent "stolen" by the U.S..
That's easy. There are almost 300 000 stolen patents. It is not difficult to list one of these 300 000.
It is a shame that you don't learn it in school.

One example is Aspirin.

"To avoid having to surrender all profits and assets to the government, Bayer's management shifted the stock to a new company, nominally owned by Americans but controlled by the German-American Bayer leaders. Palmer, however, soon uncovered this scheme and seized all of Bayer's American holdings. After the Trading with the Enemy Act was amended to allow sale of these holdings, the government auctioned off the Rensselaer plant and all Bayer's American patents and trademarks, including even the Bayer brand name and the Bayer cross logo. It was bought by a patent medicine company, Sterling Products, Inc.[47] "

Look here
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php...
"
In the Reich's patent office alone 186,000 files were stolen (3)."

"
But especially in the sphere of weapons- and rocket technology, the German Reich was unbelievably advanced in comparison to their allied enemies. Remote control for rockets and torpedoes, Infrared rays, Ultra sound, all methods of Jet-propulsion, Helicopters and rockets were known to them. The Germans had developed airplanes, March flying craft and the so-called flying disks, which reached speeds that were generally thought impossible, top speeds of an unbelievable 8,000 km/ hour were reached. Even in the most unlikely fields, which nowadays not only draw enthusiasts from the sphere of homeopathy and esoteric knowledge, the Germany of National Socialism was far advanced in regards to that kind of research.
"

You should be thankful. The prosperity of your country is based on German brilliancy.
Without WW2 you wouldn't be the world power today.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#114040 Jun 13, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure thing Sargent Kraut whatever you say....since you obviously speak for all scientists do you also speak for all Deutschland as well?
Why don't you tell me where life began then, I will wait for your enlightened answer.
Planet Earth.

Do you have a more accurate answer?
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#114041 Jun 13, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Have you bothered to ask why English is the international language of Law, Banking, Trade and Commerce, Insurance, Science and Technology and what have you, instead of German?
So, stop the rubbish and move on.
Yes. There are two main reasons.
First reason:
The awful colonization of the world by the British. It is based on the killing and enslavement of native Americans and Africans.

Second reason:
The steal of German technology after WW2. The computer technology leaded to the spreading of English.
Before WW2 Englisch was meaningless.
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#114042 Jun 13, 2014
The Dude wrote:
It sounded okay in English.
But the German word 'Jugend' can't stand for a Person only for a group. The persons of the Jugend are Jugendliche.
Actually it doesn't make sense to say "I am a Jugend". It is because 'Jugend' doesn't mean exactly 'youth'. As I already said "I am a Hitler Jugend" sounds for a German like 'I am a government'
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#114043 Jun 13, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
That is as wrong as saying Joseph Goeebels is representative for most Americans.
Maybe he is not representative for most Americans but for your government
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#114044 Jun 13, 2014
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
t was supposed to say "Neither of you are impressive. Either one of you have a valid point or just want to bitch in German?"
[
I would have understood it if you had translated 'bitch' with 'meckern' in this context.
My German is rusty. I tend to forget things that are not important.
Typical American. You think it is not important to speak other languages than English.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#114045 Jun 13, 2014
The Hand of God wrote:
<quoted text>
By "vague", I am suggesting that you mean 'Is of a nature which I am not able to discern'.
Nevertheless, for people like myself who are concerned about the true potential of our faculties; it is a question worthy of contemplation.
<quoted text>
I am not saying that water is intelligent enough to form a snowflake etc, etc.
I am saying that those phenomena are the result of (an) "intelligent" influence, which I have come to identify with "Jehovah".
"Balancing natural effects" are attributed to the influence of "Jehovah".
Intelligence is "magical", so to that degree I can see with your expression "intelligent magic".
You lost me at the point of "bronze age codex".
<quoted text>
The human capacity to anthropomorphize allows us to call the inanimate as if it were animate; but do you have a 99.9% certainty that this is true.
<quoted text>
All commonsense looks at the fact that the working biological brain did not create itself: and a product always bears the impressions of the source and processes which formed it.
Therefore I am justified in suggesting that something intelligent created that which is intelligent.
<quoted text>
I agree.
You are only justified if you can provide evidence of your claims. So far you can't.

Oh, and then you have the infinite regression fallacy to deal with.

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