Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 171492 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#113932 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hard to see the truth, isn't it? You are a part of a country from mass murders.
But except for a few whackjobs, we Americans acknowledge the crime. I'm quite sure YOU are considered a 'whackjob' for rational Germans as well.

You are deflecting the blame for the crime of genocide during WWII entirely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

"Prior to the beginning of World War II, during a speech given on January 30, 1939 (the sixth anniversary of his accession to power), Hitler foretold the coming Holocaust of the Jews of Europe when he said:

[Hitler] "Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"[14][15][16]

Raul Hilberg, in his book The Destruction of the European Jews, was the first historian to systematically document and analyse the Nazi project to kill every Jew in Europe. The book was initially published in 1961, and issued in an enlarged version in 1985.[17]

Hilberg's analysis of the steps that led to the destruction of European Jews states that it was "an administrative process carried out by bureaucrats in a network of offices spanning a continent." [18] Hilberg divides this bureaucracy into four components or hierarchies: the Nazi Party, the civil service, industry, and the Wehrmacht or armed forces—but their cooperation is viewed as "so complete that we may truly speak of their fusion into a machinery of destruction."[19] For Hilberg, the key stages in the destruction process were: definition and registration of the Jews; expropriation of property; concentration into ghettoes and camps; and, finally, annihilation.[20] Hilberg gives an estimate of 5.1 million as the total number of Jews killed. He breaks this figure down into three categories: Ghettoization and general privation: over 800,000; open-air shootings: over 1,300,000; extermination camps: up to 3,000,000.[21]

With respect to the "functionalism versus intentionalism" debate, Hilberg posits what has been described as "a kind of structural determinism".[17] Hilberg argues "a destruction process has an inherent pattern" and the "sequence of steps in a destruction process is thus determined." If a bureaucracy is motivated "to inflict maximum damage upon a group of people", it is "inevitable that a bureaucracy—no matter how decentralized its apparatus or how unplanned its activities—should push its victims through these stages," culminating in their annihilation.[22]

"Hitler exterminated the Jews of Europe. But he did not do so alone. The task was so enormous, complex, time-consuming, and mentally and economically demanding that it took the best efforts of millions of Germans…

All spheres of life in Germany actively participated: Businessmen, policemen, bankers, doctors, lawyers, soldiers, railroad and factory workers, chemists, pharmacists, foremen, production managers, economists, manufacturers, jewelers, diplomats, civil servants, propagandists, film makers and film stars, professors, teachers, politicians, mayors, party members, construction experts, art dealers, architects, landlords, janitors, truck drivers, clerks, industrialists, scientists, generals, and even shopkeepers—all were essential cogs in the machinery that accomplished the final solution."[13]

—Konnilyn G. Feig

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#113933 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course not. School and education is very important for us Germans in contrast to Americans.
Tell me. What are the solutions of this equation?
d f(x, y)/dx+d f(x, y)/dy =delta(x-a)*delta(x-b)
with delta(x-a) as the deltafunction.
Now you can prove how intelligent Americans are and that is still an easy task.
When you're cornered, you change the subject. BFD.

deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#113934 Jun 11, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
But except for a few whackjobs, we Americans acknowledge the crime.
Really? Most Americans don't know the crimes of their countries.

Did you know this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_radiation_...

"Numerous human radiation experiments have been performed in the United States, many of which were funded by various U.S. government agencies[3] such as the United States Department of Defense and the United States Atomic Energy Commission. Experiments included, but were not limited to:

irradiating the heads of children[4]
feeding radioactive material to mentally disabled children[5]
exposing U.S. soldiers and prisoners to high levels of radiation[5]
irradiating the eyeballs of prisoners, which caused severe birth defects[5]
exhuming bodies from graveyards to test them for radiation (without the consent of the families of the deceased)["

Your country is full of crimes. Even against your own people.
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#113935 Jun 11, 2014
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
When you're cornered, you change the subject. BFD.
So I have to assume that you are not able to solve this simple equation.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#113936 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Most Americans don't know the crimes of their countries.
Did you know this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_radiation_...
"Numerous human radiation experiments have been performed in the United States, many of which were funded by various U.S. government agencies[3] such as the United States Department of Defense and the United States Atomic Energy Commission. Experiments included, but were not limited to:
irradiating the heads of children[4]
feeding radioactive material to mentally disabled children[5]
exposing U.S. soldiers and prisoners to high levels of radiation[5]
irradiating the eyeballs of prisoners, which caused severe birth defects[5]
exhuming bodies from graveyards to test them for radiation (without the consent of the families of the deceased)["
Yeah, we know about that.
deutscher Stolz wrote:
Your country is full of crimes. Even against your own people.
As is yours.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#113937 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
So I have to assume that you are not able to solve this simple equation.
Not interested. You're just trying to deflect the conversation from your obvious failure to defend your own country's sins. Assume whatever you like. I don't care.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#113938 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Most Americans don't know the crimes of their countries.
Did you know this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_radiation_...
"Numerous human radiation experiments have been performed in the United States, many of which were funded by various U.S. government agencies[3] such as the United States Department of Defense and the United States Atomic Energy Commission. Experiments included, but were not limited to:
irradiating the heads of children[4]
feeding radioactive material to mentally disabled children[5]
exposing U.S. soldiers and prisoners to high levels of radiation[5]
irradiating the eyeballs of prisoners, which caused severe birth defects[5]
exhuming bodies from graveyards to test them for radiation (without the consent of the families of the deceased)["
Your country is full of crimes. Even against your own people.
Yes. I WAS aware of those crimes, and others.

They are ACKNOWLEDGED by our government, and appropriate steps were enacted to hopefully prevent future such actions.

Just like YOUR government has ALSO acknowledged the responsibility of earlier generations of the German government in the atrocities perpetrated upon millions of its own citizens -- and those of other countries, due primarily (but not solely) on their faith.

Or do you -- as a German Nationalist -- not recognize your own government's recognition of these actions?
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#113939 Jun 11, 2014
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, we know about that.
<quoted text>
As is yours.
Ok let us Count the German crimes.

1.'The genocide of the Hera'

Thats all.
WW1 and WW2 were caused by Britain, France and Poland and partly by Americans as I already said.

Now the crimes of Americans.

1. enslaving and killing of native Americans and blacks
2. WW1
3. WW2
4. Iraq
5. Afghanistan
6. Vietnam
7. exploitation of Germany after WW2
8. cruel human experiments
9. Hiroshima and Nagasaki
and so on
8.
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#113940 Jun 11, 2014
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Not interested. You're just trying to deflect the conversation from your obvious failure to defend your own country's sins. Assume whatever you like. I don't care.
You can't solve this equation because you are an American.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#113941 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't solve this equation because you are an American.
{yawn}

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#113942 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok let us Count the German crimes.
1.'The genocide of the Hera'
Thats all.
You are so naive. Or brainwashed. Probably both.
deutscher Stolz wrote:
WW1 and WW2 were caused by Britain, France and Poland and partly by Americans as I already said.
Now the crimes of Americans.
1. enslaving and killing of native Americans and blacks
2. WW1
3. WW2
4. Iraq
5. Afghanistan
6. Vietnam
7. exploitation of Germany after WW2
8. cruel human experiments
9. Hiroshima and Nagasaki
and so on
8.
You forgot to add kicked the crap out of your little country. Twice.

You bore me now.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#113943 Jun 11, 2014
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>

You bore me now.
Agreed.

This is an EVOLUTION forum. Had I wanted to engage in a discussion of this type, I would have gone to a Neo-nazi forum.

Back to science now.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#113944 Jun 11, 2014
He's a creepy little Hitler Jugend, isn't he? LOL

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#113945 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
No English is a language for bad small talk and stupid Americans.
High educated people are speaking other languages like German or Japanese.
English is only my fourth best language.
Even though you think that I am narrow minded because I hate you Americans just because you are Americans I am high educated because it's normal in Germany.
So I know how to solve complicated Eigenvalue differential equations already with 18 years.
Good for you Stolz, I'm sure your parents are proud. Next class I suggest you take is Racism 101. Then you might want to brush up on your modesty.
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#113946 Jun 11, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed.
This is an EVOLUTION forum. Had I wanted to engage in a discussion of this type, I would have gone to a Neo-nazi forum.
Back to science now.
Disagreed

First it's not about a forum. It's just about a topic.
Second it's not about evolution. It's just an ideological American discussion about Evolution vs Creationism
Creationism is totally nonsense. Every intelligent human would go to a scientific library and read specific literature if he wants to know something about evolution and not inform in an arbitrary forum with laymen.

Now I have a question for the Americans about evolution.
Why is homosexuality realized even though homosexuals can't reproduce themselves?
I am sure that this easy question already overcharge the Americans and many Americans would say that homosexuality isn't natural.

@Mike
if you don't want to solve my equation you can still prove your intelligence with this question.
btw the equation is a part (only a specific case for not making it too hard) of a specific modern population model based on evolution theory. you even didn't recognize that this had something to do with this topic.
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#113947 Jun 11, 2014
Gillette wrote:
He's a creepy little Hitler Jugend, isn't he? LOL
hahaha
that doesn't make any sense

'Hitler Jugend' was an organization for the youth in Nazi Germany.
How can I be an organization?

Maybe you wanted to say
"He's a creepy little member of the Hitler Jugend, isn't he? LOL"

That's typical American. Just because I am a proud German I am not a Nazi.
deutscher Stolz

Osnabrück, Germany

#113948 Jun 11, 2014
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
{yawn}
What are you trying with these curly brackets? Are you trying to write a programme?
You can formulate an algorithm which simulate selection and Mutation but I am sure that the average American is not able to do this.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#113949 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
Why do I hate Americans?
Here are my top twelve reasons:
1. They think they are the best
2. They know nothing about other countries
3. They are fat and ugly
4. They only eat fast food
5. They are "Waffennarren"
6. They like to start wars
7. They are loud and rude
8. They don't have any sense of humour
9. They think that all Germans are Nazis
10. They stole the land of native Americans
11. They stole sounds of German patents after WW2
12. They are very religious
Armer Schlucker und frustierter Armseliger.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#113950 Jun 11, 2014
deutscher Stolz wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't solve this equation because you are an American.
Ja ..... bla bla bla bla.
Er hat nun recht.
Du kannst nichts daran ändern.
Du kannst die Geschichte nicht ändern.
Gewöhne dich daran.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#113951 Jun 11, 2014
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so naive. Or brainwashed. Probably both.
<quoted text>
You forgot to add kicked the crap out of your little country. Twice.
You bore me now.
Yes you kicked the crap and puke out of them.
And most people in Europe ARE HAPPY WITH THAT.
It saved us from one of the most profound human disasters EVER.

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