Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222225 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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FREE SERVANT

Hockessin, DE

#112936 May 18, 2014
All life on earth displays a certain ability to work and pass instructions of learned threats to successive generations. If a living thing can not continue to work within it's given environment, it may die and leave information to offspring to better adapt and change to continue to work within their kind of niche. Information is passed down as patterns which are cyclically left behind through rhythmic and entrained oscillations of strong and weak values. A natural system which is a circuit carries these instructions and life is caused and maintained through these systems which cycle to function according to the theory of SCPID.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#112937 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
One can not explain what was on earth millions of years ago and make generalizations about species changes over time.
You are delusional, most of the gaps you fill up are nothing but photoshop artwork.
Good luck with your complete lack of intermediate fossil records because you will need it
If you dig into the ground, you find layers.
Each of these layers has its own distinctive fingerprint: chemical composition, distinct morphological properties, density, the type of fossils within, etc.

Let's have examples, shall we?
- floods leave very distinct types of layers: the average grain size decreases upwards in the sediments, the more heavier ones below, gradually ending in very fine particles on top and are mixed by debris from dead plant and animal materials.
- volcanic eruptions and magma up-welling leave, when solidified after cooling, basalt layers with characteristic blobs, distinct colour and very distinct chemical composition and without plant of animal remnants in it.
- former sea beds are also very recognizable due to the presence of marine fossils, like fish or coral reefs.

We know this because:
- we observed all kinds of floods and their sediment composition a zillion times by now, every time it happens. The work done here is extraordinary abundant because it is also important for engineering in dam building. The number of flood sediment experiments is numerous.
- old basalt layers are recognizable because they resemble newly formed basalt after current volcanic activity all over the world today.
- the presence of marine fossils in old layers is even self-evident.

ANY OBJECTIONS? Thought so.

We also know that the deeper the layer, the older it is. By very logic. Because a new = younger layer will be formed on top of the one that's already there.

Not that difficult to understand, isn't it? ANY OBJECTIONS? Thought so.

And WHAT do we see if we dig?
1) the deeper you dig (= the older the layers), the more primitive and simpler life is
2) in the deepest layers where we can find life, we only find single cellular life (bacteria)
3) after some layers upwards we can find the first eukaryotes (still single celled)
4) after some more layers upwards we find the first, very primitive multicellular life of the Ediacaran biota
5) more layers above these we find the early Cambrian life: trilobites and the like
6) more layers above these we find the first fish
7) more layers above these we find the first amphibians
8) more layers above these we find the first reptiles
9) more layers above these we find the first dinosaurs and mammals.

This is called fossil stratification, from the Latin "stratus" which means "covering".

The chronological order in first appearance of the distinct fossil groups, as observed, only leaves one conclusion: life started single cellular and rather simple and ever became more complex with each subsequent step.

ANY OBJECTIONS? Thought so.

The chronological ordered, stratified fossil record is already a decisive evidence for evolution.

A neat list of transitional fossils can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transiti... . This article also holds a extensive list of sources.
Could you please in which of all those reference studies 'Photoshopping' has been done?
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#112939 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
references please
You DIDN'T KNOW these?
And STILL tattling about it?
Tattling about things you have no single understanding or knowledge of?

THEN you are measuring with double standards:
I have asked you THREE times until now to back up your claims on the conclusions to be drawn form the fruit flies experiments. with the same request done by Chimney if I recall well, that will be FOUR times.

I shall have to INSIST:
Which of the dozens experiments on fruit flies precisely?
EXACTLY source reference to THE ORIGINAL publications and EXACTLY pointing to its results that back up your exertions here.

I won't answer requests by people who won't answer the same requests themselves.
My turn was first.

Didn't they learn you decent debate on the Babble school?
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#112940 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
What color Koolaid do you prefer?
Yeah, if you don't know how to answer it, start some ridicule.
We are not on the kindergarten court here.
And like all annoying little children, you now and then need a good whacking.

Something like this: Poop!(fart) Stink. Slap!
"You don't just fart in public, if you do it again I withdraw your pocket-money for 3 weeks".
"And how is your HookedOnPhonics thing going lately BTW?"

Who will drag the hill-billy ignorant half of the country into the next century?
(In their case the 4th century BC).
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#112942 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
What color Koolaid do you prefer?
The kindergarten joker is just continuing his kindergarten farting.

And of course, by this, dodging and ducking.

FIFTH reminder:
Which of the dozens experiments on fruit flies precisely?
EXACTLY source reference to THE ORIGINAL publications and EXACTLY pointing to its results that back up your exertions here.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#112943 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
One can not explain what was on earth millions of years ago and make generalizations about species changes over time.
And why not? We have fossils and can date them to the appropriate time periods. We can line them up and see how those species changed over time. That is enough to show evolution happens. The exact mechanisms are investigated more in labs and in the field.
You are delusional, most of the gaps you fill up are nothing but photoshop artwork.
No, that is simply what the popular press sees most. It is easier to explain than the actual fossils.
Good luck with your complete lack of intermediate fossil records because you will need it
There are many such intermediates known, for example, from reptiles to mammals, from dinosaurs to birds, from lobed-finned fish to amphibians, etc. We have the examples of horse evolution, of human evolution, of camel evolution, etc. Now, the simplistic viewpoint of linear changes (as opposed to branches, some of which go extinct) is known to be wrong and that is typically shown in the popular press, but actual scientific papers are much more careful than journalists.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#112944 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I will not make fun of your science fiction lessons any more
Science fiction? Well should be NO PROBLEM for you to demonstrate the fictitiousness, ISN'T IT?

WHERE are your substantiated, empirical arguments either through experiments or field observations by scientifically acknowledged experts on the matter (geologists, paleontologists) to back up your claim the observed fossil stratification the way specified in my previous post about that, is fiction?

Source references also obligatory.
And of course, 6th reminder, your sources on the fruit fly experiments as well.

I don't know if you already noticed, but I am just let you pulling your pants down for everyone to behold the poop and stink of your kindergarten farting.
FREE SERVANT

Hockessin, DE

#112945 May 18, 2014
An ordered and comprehensive configuration of natural markings are left to impart information.to inform living things and these go around a circular journey. A roundabout course is how nature works and circuits are formed into comprehensive assemblages and circuitry. These Systems,Cycles and Patterns are an Intelligent Design.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#112946 May 18, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
An ordered and comprehensive configuration of natural markings are left to impart information.to inform living things and these go around a circular journey. A roundabout course is how nature works and circuits are formed into comprehensive assemblages and circuitry. These Systems,Cycles and Patterns are an Intelligent Design.
Yet none of this made up system has any evidence to support it. Why is that do you think?

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#112947 May 18, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
All life on earth displays a certain ability to work and pass instructions of learned threats to successive generations. If a living thing can not continue to work within it's given environment, it may die and leave information to offspring to better adapt and change to continue to work within their kind of niche. Information is passed down as patterns which are cyclically left behind through rhythmic and entrained oscillations of strong and weak values. A natural system which is a circuit carries these instructions and life is caused and maintained through these systems which cycle to function according to the theory of SCPID.
So according to you acquired traits are passed down to offspring. So if the organism has already reproduced and then acquires these traits and reproduces again, only some of its offspring will have the traits? If a living thing dies due to a change in its environment, then how do the offspring survive the change? If it has information that could be passed on to its offspring that allows them to survive, then how come it dies?

Why does this not make any sense? Why does this not have any evidence to support it? Why does the evidence of molecular biology show that the information is passed from DNA to proteins and then expressed as the phenotype and not in the other direction as you claim?

Why does this sound like a made up, metaphysical, reaching for a solution that science has been explaining with evidence much more logically, reasonably and reproducibly?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#112948 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I will not make fun of your science fiction lessons any more
He gave you the references that you asked for. Though much maligned Wikipedia is actually a very useful resource today. Most of the articles on science include links to their sources so if you doubt the story you can follow the links and see if it is valid or not.

Did you check the article that was linked for you? If so did you follow the links to its sources and see whether they were valid or not?

I am betting the answer is "No" to those questions. You are just another dishonest creationist that would rather lie for Jesus than to check out to see if your opposition was correct or not.

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#112949 May 18, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
An ordered and comprehensive configuration of natural markings are left to impart information.to inform living things and these go around a circular journey. A roundabout course is how nature works and circuits are formed into comprehensive assemblages and circuitry. These Systems,Cycles and Patterns are an Intelligent Design.
Nope.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#112951 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
references please
What for?

You're an anti-science liar for Jesus with zero education and doesn't care.

What possible use do you have for information you have no interest in and couldn't understand even if it was provided?

.

Last month you said you were gonna refute us. When are you gonna start?
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#112952 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
One can not explain what was on earth millions of years ago and make generalizations about species changes over time.
You are delusional, most of the gaps you fill up are nothing but photoshop artwork.
Good luck with your complete lack of intermediate fossil records because you will need it
No generalizing needed. Why? Because the fossil record exists. It is directly observable. We KNOW (for example) there no people walking around with dinosaurs.

By the way, you're contradicting your own sources again. You keep saying there's no fossil record (even though there is) then you'll even present a creationist linky that mentions the fossil record (they just have a different - and false - interpretation of it).

Do please try to make up your mind. It MIGHT help you look less stupid.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#112953 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
Now we are getting to the bottom line.
Are you saying God did not create the world and everything in the world?
No. There's no scientific way to tell if such a thing exists, much less did anything.

All we're saying is that if something like that DOES exist, it used evolution.

Or it's a liar.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#112954 May 18, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
An ordered and
Still don't care Mikey.
FREE SERVANT

Hockessin, DE

#112955 May 18, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>So according to you acquired traits are passed down to offspring. So if the organism has already reproduced and then acquires these traits and reproduces again, only some of its offspring will have the traits? If a living thing dies due to a change in its environment, then how do the offspring survive the change? If it has information that could be passed on to its offspring that allows them to survive, then how come it dies?
Why does this not make any sense? Why does this not have any evidence to support it? Why does the evidence of molecular biology show that the information is passed from DNA to proteins and then expressed as the phenotype and not in the other direction as you claim?
Why does this sound like a made up, metaphysical, reaching for a solution that science has been explaining with evidence much more logically, reasonably and reproducibly?
Plants pass this information down through the root system circuit and animals that do survive long enough to have off spring pass it to successive generations.
FREE SERVANT

Hockessin, DE

#112956 May 18, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
Why not?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#112957 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I will not make fun of your science fiction lessons any more
But they aren't fiction. They are verified scientific facts. The problem is that you disagree with the reality they show. That isn't a problem with science.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#112958 May 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
Now we are getting to the bottom line.
Are you saying God did not create the world and everything in the world?
The hypothesis of a deity is unnecessary to understand the origin of the earth and how life has changed over time. It may well be a true hypothesis, but it is untestable , so is irrelevant to science.

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