Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223191 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Orlando

#112472 Apr 30, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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Is that right?
Scientists fall for a lot of theories, most scientists are experts in a very narrow field of study and don't know shit about anything else.
Since Evolution is not really a scientific discipline anyone takes very seriously it is most likely some hobby for pseudo-intellectuals
Yeah?

How many scientists do YOU know?

I know several. Including my own brother (US Army Labs, PhD in Physics from Univ of Tenn).
EACH of those scientists that I know have an exceptionally wide range of intellectual pursuits, on a wide range of subjects, both professional and personal.

You, on the other hand do not exhibit any such qualities.

You don't appear bright enough to qualify as a 'pseudo-intellectual'.

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#112474 Apr 30, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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To summarise Karl Popper as concisely as possible:
In science he clarified that only hypotheses that could be tested had meaning. He used the term falsifiable, meaning the idea had to be capable of being proven wrong, if something in the universe was not consistent with that idea. In a way, he turned people's understanding on its head by showing that science does not advance by PROVING good ideas, but by DISPROVING bad ones. Good ideas can only by supported by evidence, never proven.
That is because an explanation that covers everything observed - so far - may not be the only one possible, and also new evidence could always arrive tomorrow that shows an error in the explanation.
Good theories are those that have withstood a large number of falsification tests, and have also made predictions about what we should find, that we then found...but still that does not PROVE the theory, only supports it. Maybe we can be very very confident in such a theory, but perfect certainty never exists in science.
In politics, Popper was a champion of the Open, Democratic model of society and this was directly linked to his view of science. As we cannot prove anything and our theories are always tentative, so to no human authority ever has the perfect knowledge to run the world perfectly. 2000 years ago Plato thought a very wise "Philosopher King" would be the perfect ruler...but Popper laughed at this view.
We are humans with partial wisdom, and we feel our way forward, with different viewpoints, different priorities, understandings, and in a society every solution is partial and impermanent and imperfect...which is why society must remain open, ideas must flow freely, and nobody can have total authority, and the ability to ADAPT is more important than being right all the time (which we can never be).
This is how science really is too, and how human society is, and we need to recognise it and understand the limitations of all ideologies and dogmas that attempt to put this dynamic, creative force into a box.
Well I had answered to this post and it went somewhere else I guess...
I don't know seems in Science in the various fields you would think perfect would add up to it's Ultimate goal...
Why else would one need to gain knowledge and here is the difference maybe in gain some seek it and some receive it...

Also some are by far more right on than some that may think they are...

Touch and go and to an absolute in knowing another being that is where I set a line ne' Grenze some boarder...Figuring out peoples intent? As much as what would be more?

Anyway That is what I liked about Popper when I read *remember* I just stumbled across the man, anyway his view on Democracy and all in Politics that is what struck me...So I can't wait to read more...
HAPPY

Richmond, VA

#112475 May 1, 2014
Tinka wrote:
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Well I had answered to this post and it went somewhere else I guess...
I don't know seems in Science in the various fields you would think perfect would add up to it's Ultimate goal...
Why else would one need to gain knowledge and here is the difference maybe in gain some seek it and some receive it...
Also some are by far more right on than some that may think they are...
Touch and go and to an absolute in knowing another being that is where I set a line ne' Grenze some boarder...Figuring out peoples intent? As much as what would be more?
Anyway That is what I liked about Popper when I read *remember* I just stumbled across the man, anyway his view on Democracy and all in Politics that is what struck me...So I can't wait to read more...
LOOK at the pyramid towers that were built as altars and you may be on to a true knowledge that has been hidden. The evidence has been covered up and hidden for many hundreds of years, for one reason and the other. The ultimate goal should be the truth.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#112476 May 1, 2014
HAPPY wrote:
<quoted text>LOOK at the pyramid towers that were built as altars and you may be on to a true knowledge that has been hidden. The evidence has been covered up and hidden for many hundreds of years, for one reason and the other. The ultimate goal should be the truth.
"The Truth is out there, Scully."

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#112477 May 1, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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Is that right?
Scientists fall for a lot of theories, most scientists are experts in a very narrow field of study and don't know shit about anything else.
Since Evolution is not really a scientific discipline anyone takes very seriously it is most likely some hobby for pseudo-intellectuals
More of the brainless and unsupported assertions creationists are so famous for. More than 99% of biologists accept evolution. And the vast majority of scientists from other disciplines. And whatever their level of knowledge outside their specialist field, most of them do understand the scientific method and know that evolution conforms to it.

Unfortunately for you, not too many of them take stories about talking snakes all that seriously though.

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#112478 May 1, 2014
Tinka wrote:
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Well I had answered to this post and it went somewhere else I guess...
I don't know seems in Science in the various fields you would think perfect would add up to it's Ultimate goal...
The riddle of science is that even if we achieved perfect knowledge i.e. correct theories for everything, we would have no way of knowing for sure we had done so.
Anyway That is what I liked about Popper when I read *remember* I just stumbled across the man, anyway his view on Democracy and all in Politics that is what struck me...So I can't wait to read more...
The Open Society and its Enemies by Popper. Big but readable.
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Faribault, MN

#112479 May 1, 2014
Ok Christo-tards tell what proof do you have your flying space daddy created anything?

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#112480 May 1, 2014
HAPPY wrote:
<quoted text>LOOK at the pyramid towers that were built as altars and you may be on to a true knowledge that has been hidden. The evidence has been covered up and hidden for many hundreds of years, for one reason and the other. The ultimate goal should be the truth.
Oh geez. Not the pyramid crap again!

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Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#112482 May 1, 2014
HAPPY wrote:
<quoted text>LOOK at the pyramid towers that were built as altars and you may be on to a true knowledge that has been hidden. The evidence has been covered up and hidden for many hundreds of years, for one reason and the other. The ultimate goal should be the truth.
How often are you supposed to change the tin foil hat?

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Sao Paulo

#112483 May 1, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Oh geez. Not the pyramid crap again!
{head/desk}
Reminds me of that Allen Parson's Project song from years ago....

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#112484 May 1, 2014
BTW, for those like myself who maintain an interest in such things:

http://www.cnet.com/news/physicists-figure-ho...

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#112486 May 1, 2014
HAPPY wrote:
<quoted text>LOOK at the pyramid towers that were built as altars and you may be on to a true knowledge that has been hidden. The evidence has been covered up and hidden for many hundreds of years, for one reason and the other. The ultimate goal should be the truth.
Evidence of what?

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#112487 May 1, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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What exactly does Physics have to do with evolution? Nothing
Evolution is bound by the laws of physics just as any other natural process is. Duh!

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#112488 May 1, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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What exactly does Physics have to do with evolution? Nothing
It has everything to do with it, especially in the early Earth when life was first forming.
Nothing can happen outside of physics, understanding exactly how maybe hard to explain, but physics is the only way we can describe what happens , using the physical laws of the universe.Evolution can be and is explained this way, using atomic and molecular clocks.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/...

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#112489 May 1, 2014
MikeF wrote:
BTW, for those like myself who maintain an interest in such things:
http://www.cnet.com/news/physicists-figure-ho...
Pretty cool.

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Orlando

#112491 May 1, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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What exactly does Physics have to do with evolution? Nothing
YOU were castigating ALL "Scientists" (as if you had a clue of the intelligence of anyone beyond your own 7th grade education).

You were not limiting your opinion of scientists to only Biologists, or Evolutionary Biologists. You were instead lumping ALL highly intelligent, professional Scientists as being narrow, dim-witted numbskulls.

A projection of the highest order.

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#112493 May 1, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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Gibberish
Aura, I think he needs you to repeat that in his native language. You have and English to Gibberish dictionary handy?

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#112494 May 1, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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You tools are the ones claiming there is a consensus among scientists not me.
We wouldn't expect you to because you are ignorant.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#112496 May 1, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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You tools are the ones claiming there is a consensus among scientists not me.
The consensus among scientists is all but unanimous for the Theory of Evolution.
Only a VERY miniscule number of scientists fail to accept it.

There are far more members of the Christian Clergy that accept the Theory of Evolution than there are scientists that do NOT accept the Theory of Evolution.

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Everett, WA

#112497 May 1, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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You tools are the ones claiming there is a consensus among scientists not me.
Of course we are the ones that have many sources of evidence that support our claims. For example, evolution is accepted by over 97% of all scientists:

http://ncse.com/news/2009/07/views-evolution-...

And over 99.8% of the scientists that best understand the science.

That leaves only a few whackos that dispute the science.

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