Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 219629 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

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#111898 Apr 22, 2014
MrBob jones wrote:
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That youve honestly been on this site alot longer just sitting around on the computer and i am actually a pshycologist
Now you are a psychologist. Before you were a high school student that didn't pay attention to his step daddy. At least you were trying hard to be perceived as a high schooler. What will you be tomorrow?

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#111899 Apr 22, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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OK DUDE
Name every single species and cite the fossil record (where it was found and where it is stored) going back to the beginning of time that demonstrates without a shadow of doubt that man "evolved" from a man-ape form. Do not skip any section of time and cite multiple sources for each phase.
Good Luck
BTW I know you can not even come close so just say "I Give Up" I accept Evolution on Faith in my 6 grade Science teacher
Even if someone were to make an effort to do this and support your argument for you. I don't have any reason to believe that you would understand it, or even know if the job was done well or not.

Another lazy, fat-assed, fundie trying to get others to provide the evidence in support of their bullshit claims.

You have no idea whether this can be done or not. But like any good fundie, if at first you don't succeed, lie, lie again.

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#111900 Apr 22, 2014
MrBob Jones wrote:
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What did you mean you freaking morons i did not say I'm a creationists and its not solid it honestly is full of holes you can chose to believe it i dont care but take time to look at all the possible holes instead of only focussing on the solid stuff
Most of what you say is garbage, that was easily explained to you and refuted. Whatever else you said or didn't say is irrelevant.

For instance, all the possible holes does not mean actual holes. Possible holes can be holes or they can not be holes. What you say has no meaning with regard to the validity of the fossil record. You don't know a thing about how to review, evaluate and base conclusions on evidence. I don't need to see every step in a trail to know where it is going. You...well best of luck finding the path.

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#111901 Apr 22, 2014
MrBob jones wrote:
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That youve honestly been on this site alot longer just sitting around on the computer and i am actually a pshycologist
And I'm an ASTRONAUT....AND A COWBOY!

WHEEEEE!

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#111902 Apr 22, 2014
bohart wrote:
.....From live science.com
The 9 biggest unsolved mysteries of physics,...by Natale Wolchover
#7....Why is there an arrow of time?
.... Time moves forward because of a property of the universe called entropy , roughly defined as the level of disorder , only increases, and so there is no way to reverse a rise in entropy after it has occurred. The fact that entropy increases is a matter of logic, there are more disordered arrangements of particles than there are ordered arrangements , and so as things change , they tend to fall into disarray. But the underlying question here is , why was entropy so low in the past? Put differently why was the universe so ordered at its beginning , when a huge amount of energy was crammed together in a small amount of space?..
Now this is a mystery to science , but I've no doubt they've never consulted the geniuses here on this thread.
I especially like the part ,...as things change ,they tend to fall into disarray.
here Dude,..answer the question
MrBob Jones

Canada

#111903 Apr 22, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Now you are a psychologist. Before you were a high school student that didn't pay attention to his step daddy. At least you were trying hard to be perceived as a high schooler. What will you be tomorrow?
What?

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#111904 Apr 22, 2014
MrBob Jones wrote:
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What?
What's the matter. Trouble reading English or just too stupid to understand how you were caught in a lie.

Oh, that is right there are just droves of people from Red Deer, Canada suddenly posting on this forum.

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#111905 Apr 22, 2014
bohart wrote:
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here Dude,..answer the question
Ah, another moron heard from.
THE LONE WORKER

United States

#111907 Apr 23, 2014
bohart wrote:
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here Dude,..answer the question
This happens because of what God said when he was angry with Adam and his wife. Death and disorder are in existence because of man. Actually all of creation was affected because of this. Read GENESIS 3:17&18&19 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

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#111908 Apr 23, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
OK DUDE
Name every single species and cite the fossil record (where it was found and where it is stored) going back to the beginning of time that demonstrates without a shadow of doubt that man "evolved" from a man-ape form. Do not skip any section of time and cite multiple sources for each phase.
Good Luck
BTW I know you can not even come close so just say "I Give Up" I accept Evolution on Faith in my 6 grade Science teacher
Ever heard of "beyond reasonable doubt"?

Now, when you can explain the following continuum of measurable, gradual change from apelike morphology to human morphology over the last 4 million years....

A. Afarensis
A. Africanus
A. Sedibus
H Georgicus
H Ergaster / Erectus
H Heidelburgenis
H Sapiens Archaic
H Sapiens modern

...where each specimen (often multiple specimens, such as 40+ Erectus) is very similar to the one before and after, but all together follow an unmistakable trend, and are found in the age appropriate strata, and that NO modern humans are found in any strata more than 200,000 years ago,

...And when you find that not only humans but virtually all creatures show patterns of change over time, and that if we go back far enough we see birds convergent with dinosaurs, and mammals convergent with reptiles etc etc etc...

Well, you just go right ahead and offer a BETTER explanation than evolution. Then we can discuss why accepting an enormous body of evidence for a theory is not a matter of faith but of logic.

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#111909 Apr 23, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>This happens because of what God said when he was angry with Adam and his wife. Death and disorder are in existence because of man. Actually all of creation was affected because of this. Read GENESIS 3:17&18&19 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Eating of the tree of knowledge means becoming aware - of actions and consequences, of the past and future, and of the meaning of death. Thus death has always existed, but once we achieved a certain level of consciousness, we were the only creature to really understand what it means. We lost our innocence, we left the "garden of eden".

Allegorically, its a great poetic expression of the sense both of an individual growing up and of a species developing true self awareness and conscious understanding.

As a literal creation theory, its ridiculous. And as a representation of God its pitifully small minded, clearly the work of primitive goatherds representing The Creator as some petty little tyrant who gets "angry", "jealous", and "regretful", not to mention so spiteful He kills nearly every living thing even while knowing its not going to solve anything.

What a joke that there are still people who take this seriously as anything other than a creation myth.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#111910 Apr 23, 2014
MrBob Jones wrote:
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Haha I'm not saying that, they do all that too, i just find that evolutionists get alot more defensive and arrogant... No offence
Defensive? Not at all. No need to be defensive in the face of stupid. Arrogant? Perhaps. But only in the sense that we're arrogant for calling the sky blue and water wet, while fundies attempt to tell us otherwise.

And I'm rarely offended on these boards so none taken.
THE LONE WORKER

United States

#111911 Apr 23, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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Eating of the tree of knowledge means becoming aware - of actions and consequences, of the past and future, and of the meaning of death. Thus death has always existed, but once we achieved a certain level of consciousness, we were the only creature to really understand what it means. We lost our innocence, we left the "garden of eden".
Allegorically, its a great poetic expression of the sense both of an individual growing up and of a species developing true self awareness and conscious understanding.
As a literal creation theory, its ridiculous. And as a representation of God its pitifully small minded, clearly the work of primitive goatherds representing The Creator as some petty little tyrant who gets "angry", "jealous", and "regretful", not to mention so spiteful He kills nearly every living thing even while knowing its not going to solve anything.
What a joke that there are still people who take this seriously as anything other than a creation myth.
This is what happened , and it really doesn't matter who thinks it is a myth. The Bible is true and it says our Creator is our father in heaven who has the kingdom and the power forever. The disobedience was the thing that brought death into the picture, as far as I can understand this. The good news is that God so LOVED us that he sent his only begotten Son into the world so that we can inherit a better life than this one on this earth.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#111912 Apr 23, 2014
MrBob Jones wrote:
Well idk theres been many christian scientists, and you've obviously been sitting on your ass alot longer, as this is my fourth post compared to your 50th, and because you spoke in past tense, when you said "have been teachers",says alot. Thanks
There's no such thing as a Christian scientist. There IS such a thing as scientists who are Christian, but none of them have made creationism pass the scientific method.
MrBob Jones wrote:
What did you mean you freaking morons i did not say I'm a creationists and its not solid it honestly is full of holes you can chose to believe it i dont care but take time to look at all the possible holes instead of only focussing on the solid stuff
Evolution doesn't have the holes you think it has. There is the opinion of the science community, who accept that there is no scientific controversy over evolution. And then there's the opinions of liars for Jesus who were refuted decades ago, but even today keep repeating their lies to a gullible public audience who want to hear that they're going to heaven and don't give a crud about science.

Remember, we don't need to believe because we have evidence.

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#111913 Apr 23, 2014
thulium wrote:
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So now you're getting into Higgs Boson, the God Particle. lol
Actually what we can demonstrate in a lab is matter creating artificial light. I have not heard of a type of light creating matter, only converting matter into another form. Don't worry, I use my imaginations for something useful. And I just enrolled in Physics class in Mechanics and Wave and I know this is an Evolution forum so perhaps it would not help answer my questions.
Look at matter/anti-matter pair production. Light does create matter.

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#111914 Apr 23, 2014
thulium wrote:
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So now you're getting into Higgs Boson, the God Particle. lol
Actually not. The Higgs is another aspect of things dealing with *mass*, not *matter*. Not all matter has mass and not everything with mass is considered matter. And the Higgs mechanism is not the only way mass arises: in fact most ordinary matter does not get its mass in this way; only the very heavy quarks and leptons do.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#111915 Apr 23, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
OK DUDE
Name every single species
No need. No-one on the entire planet can do that.
SevenTee wrote:
and cite the fossil record (where it was found and where it is stored)
I can give you the names of a whole bunch with linkys to many more, but if you're interested in where they were found and stored you can do that yourself just by looking at the names. Not that storage has any bearing on any of this in the slightest.
SevenTee wrote:
going back to the beginning of time
Again, no need even to go anywhere NEAR that far. But I understand your need for rhetoric in order for you to avoid evidence by merely proclaiming I haven't capitulated to your baseless uneducated demands. After all, no matter what I present it's not like you have the ability to even discuss it, much less refute the subject.(shrug)
SevenTee wrote:
that demonstrates without a shadow of doubt that man "evolved" from a man-ape form.
Okay - your mom and dad.

They ARE apes you bozo.

See, all I need to do is go back just ONE generation to validate my position. All because you don't have the slightest education on the subject you speak of.
SevenTee wrote:
Do not skip any section of time
I don't give a crud about your demands, all I need to do is provide enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt that you are unable to refute.

Of course keep in mind we've all already done that for you.

MULTIPLE times over.

For YEARS.

And we're STILL waiting for just ONE fundie to address it.
SevenTee wrote:
and cite multiple sources for each phase.
No problem, just need to post the same thing I always do.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

You've never been able to deal with it before, you won't now. Darwin got famous not for being the anti-Christ, but because he came up with scientific ideas which made successful predictions. He himself said there was a lack of transitional fossils in his day, but today the situation is VERY different. And those fossils ALONE demonstrate that. Bear in mind also that there are OTHER lines of evidence which also converge, which show that the hypothesis of common ancestry works. Of course all we need is just ONE line of evidence, but the fact we HAVE the rest is just a juicy bonus that you fundies could only dream about. Now they turn up in your nightmares. It just so happens that your nightmares are real.(shrug)
SevenTee wrote:
Good Luck
Not necessary.
SevenTee wrote:
BTW I know you can not even come close so just say "I Give Up" I accept Evolution on Faith in my 6 grade Science teacher
Notice that I did not. And notice that I also pointed out other lines of investigation which also pass the scientific method that I haven't even NEEDED to mention yet. You won't refute them either, but then you can't even refute this. So seems you "know" diddly squat. So since I DO know that you can't even come close just say "I give up" and accept that you reject evolution based on your faith that the Flinstones is a science documentary.(shrug)

Or alternatively, just provide even ONE piece of evidence which passes that scientific method that demonstrates the existence of invisible Jew wizards.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#111916 Apr 23, 2014
MrBob jones wrote:
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That youve honestly been on this site alot longer just sitting around on the computer and i am actually a pshycologist
Since you can't even spell it something tells me you're actually our young homeschooled pal from a few weeks back. As we well know creationists have a bad habit of lying for Jesus (STILL waiting for an apology of SevenTee from when he got caught quotemining) but some also try pretending to be doctors or scientists or some other well-to-do authority so they can pretend to know more about something they don't even know.

Of course it doesn't matter even if they ARE real scientists. All that matters is what they know and what they can demonstrate. That's why very few genuine scientists have ever come here to make a fool of themselves on some random public website to argue against biology. Any who would would likely already be known as a crank.(shrug)

In short, Dr Bob, psychology doesn't make you an expert in biology.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#111917 Apr 23, 2014
bohart wrote:
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here Dude,..answer the question
No problem. If cosmology was as much of a problem for biology as you said it would you could never have been born.

There, that was easy wasn't it?(shrug)

I mean, the SLoT, Bo? Srsly? Even other YEC's know not to use that one.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#111918 Apr 23, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>This happens because of what God said when he was angry with Adam and his wife. Death and disorder are in existence because of man. Actually all of creation was affected because of this. Read GENESIS 3:17&18&19 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Ah, so that conflicts with Bo's assertion that there was "order" at the beginning of the arrow of time then. As according to your model there was high entropy at the beginning, then God made it all groovy, then he's gonna let it all slide again back into another state of high entropy.

See, this is what happens to you fundies when you attempt to prove magic Jews with "scientific evidence".

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